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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 19:56:56
November 16 2014 19:18 GMT
#4181
I don't know which game are you playing guys, surely different that the game i play. In my games there are always comebacks, in fact it is pretty ralely that one team gets stomped from my experience.

Sometimes it happens, yes, and some maps are more snowbally than others, but most of the time, it is equal. or sometimes the other team is simply better than yours, being in skill or composition, and they win, and people blame it on the "snowball". But yeah, my experience isn't an absolut truth, so who knows.
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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
November 16 2014 20:38 GMT
#4182
On November 16 2014 21:48 Tigi wrote:
I dont know how you people are able to enjoy dragonshrine with pubs :O. Whenever i play it a teammate of mine takes the Dragon, but plays him so horribly LITTERALY ALWAYS using his W on highly damaged opponents, saving them instead of kicking away those with full life.


Well, as a general principle, I play as best as I can and don't get worked up about my teammates performance. Just pretend you're in a single player game with some ability to communicate to the idiot bots that run around, and understand they are often gonna be idiot bots. Nothing wrong with that, nothing worth getting worked up about unless you only get your rocks off winning. In which case, actually play a single-player game because you aren't cut out for working with teammates.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 16 2014 21:18 GMT
#4183
Game seems gone to shit this evening, it's lagging as all hell and barely playable. Is that related to the WoW server issues?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
November 16 2014 21:46 GMT
#4184
On November 17 2014 05:38 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 21:48 Tigi wrote:
I dont know how you people are able to enjoy dragonshrine with pubs :O. Whenever i play it a teammate of mine takes the Dragon, but plays him so horribly LITTERALY ALWAYS using his W on highly damaged opponents, saving them instead of kicking away those with full life.


Well, as a general principle, I play as best as I can and don't get worked up about my teammates performance. Just pretend you're in a single player game with some ability to communicate to the idiot bots that run around, and understand they are often gonna be idiot bots. Nothing wrong with that, nothing worth getting worked up about unless you only get your rocks off winning. In which case, actually play a single-player game because you aren't cut out for working with teammates.

I think you mistunderstoon my post. I wasn't trying to QQ about bad teammates, because obviously im aware of what you say and i wouldnt consider myself the greatest player either. I was just saying that imo DragonShrine is the worst map in Pubs in the context to was said before, because it is easy to missplay the Dragon.


§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 17 2014 02:41 GMT
#4185
On November 17 2014 06:18 Alaric wrote:
Game seems gone to shit this evening, it's lagging as all hell and barely playable. Is that related to the WoW server issues?

It's all Battle.net. When Hearthstone went live, WoW was unplayable as well. Happens.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
November 17 2014 10:30 GMT
#4186
On November 17 2014 04:18 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
I don't know which game are you playing guys, surely different that the game i play. In my games there are always comebacks, in fact it is pretty ralely that one team gets stomped from my experience.

Sometimes it happens, yes, and some maps are more snowbally than others, but most of the time, it is equal. or sometimes the other team is simply better than yours, being in skill or composition, and they win, and people blame it on the "snowball". But yeah, my experience isn't an absolut truth, so who knows.

+1

Just finished watching this




Doesn't seem too snowbally to me.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 17 2014 16:01 GMT
#4187
Picked up playing Nazeebo recently. Do you guys ever take Garg over Spirit for your ult? I think a situation where I'd prefer Garg over Spirit is versus Diablo. I was playing against him yesterday and he'd just wait to pop Apoc right after I popped spirit. I was getting virtually no milage out of my ult and didn't really think about picking Garg when I'm up against Diablo until after it kept happening.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
November 17 2014 17:31 GMT
#4188
On November 17 2014 19:30 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 04:18 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
I don't know which game are you playing guys, surely different that the game i play. In my games there are always comebacks, in fact it is pretty ralely that one team gets stomped from my experience.

Sometimes it happens, yes, and some maps are more snowbally than others, but most of the time, it is equal. or sometimes the other team is simply better than yours, being in skill or composition, and they win, and people blame it on the "snowball". But yeah, my experience isn't an absolut truth, so who knows.

+1

Just finished watching this

http://youtu.be/e9R3bAbHo1w


Doesn't seem too snowbally to me.


This game was hell a lot boring than I expected. QWER spam all day long. I don't see myself watching the game and enjoying at the same time.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 17 2014 17:50 GMT
#4189
On November 18 2014 01:01 Tenks wrote:
Picked up playing Nazeebo recently. Do you guys ever take Garg over Spirit for your ult? I think a situation where I'd prefer Garg over Spirit is versus Diablo. I was playing against him yesterday and he'd just wait to pop Apoc right after I popped spirit. I was getting virtually no milage out of my ult and didn't really think about picking Garg when I'm up against Diablo until after it kept happening.


Not really. Garg is not very good. If you run into apoc Diablo vs spirit just wait for apoc THEN spirit. Means less optimal spirits but it's the only real solution. Apoc Diablo is very storng vs Nazeebo for this reason.

If he never pops apoc waiting for you then you come out ahead, as mid to late game apoc Diablo is pretty bad without apoc.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
StayPhrosty
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada406 Posts
November 17 2014 19:41 GMT
#4190
hey so i just hit player lvl 15, any chance that i can make it to 20 by tuesday?
To be is to do-Socrates To do is to be-Sartre Do Be Do Be Do-Sinatra
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 17 2014 19:48 GMT
#4191
On November 18 2014 04:41 StayPhrosty wrote:
hey so i just hit player lvl 15, any chance that i can make it to 20 by tuesday?


I assume you mean for the "invite friends maybe" thing. Yes you can, but iirc the deadline has already passed.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 17 2014 19:49 GMT
#4192
On November 18 2014 04:48 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 04:41 StayPhrosty wrote:
hey so i just hit player lvl 15, any chance that i can make it to 20 by tuesday?


I assume you mean for the "invite friends maybe" thing. Yes you can, but iirc the deadline has already passed.


The deadline is tomorrow. If he plays the entire time he probably still won't make it to 20 though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 23:41:02
November 17 2014 23:28 GMT
#4193
Tried playing Diablo to get him to 5. He seems to have some weird lag after his E where he doesn't attack at all for a full second, and I got screwed by pathfinding, spending 4-5s trying to get around a single enemy hero who wasn't even moving (Raynor). His model seems huge and that plus the rest makes him feel really clunky and awkward, on top of his low mobility.
This really isn't my kind of hero. This is going to feel long...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 17 2014 23:41 GMT
#4194
On November 18 2014 08:28 Alaric wrote:
Tried playing Diablo to get him to 5. He seems to have some weird lag after his E where he doesn't attack at all for a full second, and I got screwed by pathfinding, spending 4-5s trying to get around a single enemy hero who wasn't even moving (Raynor). His model seems huge and that plus the rest makes him feel really clunky and awkward, on top of his low mobility.
This really isn't my kind of hero. This is going to feel long...

Diablo plays like a big cow. Not very responsive. Doesn't have a very big presence in teamfights. I'm kinda meh on him in general.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
November 17 2014 23:48 GMT
#4195
I love playing against Diablo. Fat hitbox makes for easy skillshots.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 17 2014 23:50 GMT
#4196
That E gap is so you 100% don't get an E>Q every time and gives some counterplay, does feel like a rather clunky method however.

Diablo is sort of meh atm, but not too bad in solo que, just need to deliver the enemies to your team, and is the tankiest hero in the game.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 17 2014 23:51 GMT
#4197
On November 18 2014 08:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 08:28 Alaric wrote:
Tried playing Diablo to get him to 5. He seems to have some weird lag after his E where he doesn't attack at all for a full second, and I got screwed by pathfinding, spending 4-5s trying to get around a single enemy hero who wasn't even moving (Raynor). His model seems huge and that plus the rest makes him feel really clunky and awkward, on top of his low mobility.
This really isn't my kind of hero. This is going to feel long...

Diablo plays like a big cow. Not very responsive. Doesn't have a very big presence in teamfights. I'm kinda meh on him in general.

The problem is that it feels like he was supposed to be a diving anticarry, but is simply inferior to Stitches in every single regard at that role.

His CC on one target is really good, but unless you catch someone out already (something that Stitches can ALWAYS do with a hook), he doesn't really do much. His CC isn't enough to effectively zone for your carries due to long CDs, and he does no damage at all.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 18 2014 00:11 GMT
#4198
How does he get that tanky? Iirc he doesn't have stoneskin or first aid, does he get the talent that improves his HP/HP regen via souls, then the one that increases his regen/received heals/etc., and the shields (ability shield then the active to shield nearby allies)?
It feels like having double charges for his E, lowering the soul requirement to 60 (especially lategame when people are grouped) and the ability to reduce his cooldowns via basic attacks would give him more presence in fights. He attacks slowly and has little mobility so it's hard to stick to people and deal dps, and his W seems underwhelming (I'd really rather get the double E charge than W reflux talent). He doesn't push too well and he can't really solo mercs either because he kills stuff so slowly.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 18 2014 00:11 GMT
#4199
On November 18 2014 09:11 Alaric wrote:
How does he get that tanky? Iirc he doesn't have stoneskin or first aid, does he get the talent that improves his HP/HP regen via souls, then the one that increases his regen/received heals/etc., and the shields (ability shield then the active to shield nearby allies)?
It feels like having double charges for his E, lowering the soul requirement to 60 (especially lategame when people are grouped) and the ability to reduce his cooldowns via basic attacks would give him more presence in fights. He attacks slowly and has little mobility so it's hard to stick to people and deal dps, and his W seems underwhelming (I'd really rather get the double E charge than W reflux talent). He doesn't push too well and he can't really solo mercs either because he kills stuff so slowly.

He has the highest base health in the game IIRC.
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-18 03:18:05
November 18 2014 01:51 GMT
#4200
On November 18 2014 02:50 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 01:01 Tenks wrote:
Picked up playing Nazeebo recently. Do you guys ever take Garg over Spirit for your ult? I think a situation where I'd prefer Garg over Spirit is versus Diablo. I was playing against him yesterday and he'd just wait to pop Apoc right after I popped spirit. I was getting virtually no milage out of my ult and didn't really think about picking Garg when I'm up against Diablo until after it kept happening.


Not really. Garg is not very good. If you run into apoc Diablo vs spirit just wait for apoc THEN spirit. Means less optimal spirits but it's the only real solution. Apoc Diablo is very storng vs Nazeebo for this reason.

If he never pops apoc waiting for you then you come out ahead, as mid to late game apoc Diablo is pretty bad without apoc.


Nazeebo is going to be a hero that varies greatly in use depending on the meta. Unlike Valla where Rain is still a good alternative to Strafe, Garg is pretty trashy compared to Spirit.

I don't think Diablo alone is enough to justify taking Garg over a much, much better ult. I'd take Garg if I was up against a comp with a mix of Tychus, Tyrael, Abathur, Uther, Stitches, Anub'arak, Brightwing (all higher "tier" heroes which are popular enough in the current meta that playing Nazeebo is kind of difficult).
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