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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 22:53:01
June 10 2015 22:52 GMT
#21
People will bitch about the $10 heroes for as long as they're $10, and people will as well bitch about anything that isn't a tournament mode or extra deck slot, but I don't care. The new content looks sick, if they ever want to do any of the obvious stuff they can choose to do so, but this shit is creative, and sounds pretty sweet. I'm looking forward to it.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 23:31:59
June 10 2015 23:30 GMT
#22
All I want to know is an ETA. "Mid" has always been a bad way of describing a date.
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Moriquenti
Profile Joined June 2014
Greece0 Posts
June 11 2015 00:02 GMT
#23
there are so many tournaments happening in every city every where , they happen to be online too , fireside gatherings lan and so on ... calm your tournament cravings folks .. this sounds more fun than it looks ... i really like the specific rules and guidelines part ... finally something to counter net decking sheep !!! I'm excited .
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Liquid`Savjz
Profile Joined September 2013
Finland22 Posts
June 11 2015 00:40 GMT
#24
I'm so hyped for this omg! Really excited to be playing this with subscribers / other streamers etc...
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 11 2015 01:02 GMT
#25
Please include a week where all RNG cards can't be used.

Actually just make that a condition for every week.
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LastManProductions
Profile Joined September 2013
United States252 Posts
June 11 2015 01:19 GMT
#26
On June 11 2015 07:17 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 06:39 Volband wrote:
On June 11 2015 06:12 Bigbowlr1037 wrote:
So we want tournament mode and instead we get Tempo Storm ChallengeStone Mode. Yippee


But even without that personal context, why would a tournament mode would be soooo great?


When you are playing something in a competitive environment, it's fun to have something on the line. Tournaments are a means to that end. Nearly every card game out there has a tournament as their primary playing mode for this reason. The ladder is a mediocre means of competitive play at best due to a number of issues that blizzard seems reluctant to address(no rewards, short seasons, no matchmaking leading to aggro meta).

So why would tournament client integration be awesome? Playing in and running online tournaments is currently very difficult. There's no way to enforce many of the rules other than having a large admin staff to resolve disputes. This deters tournament organizers from ever wanting to run qualifying tournaments. Tournaments can take ages with hours in between rounds. Playing in a tournament right now is a really easy way to kill 8 hours even though you only get to play a handful of games. Dealing with random 3rd party websites of varying quality is annoying.

I remember tournaments in warcraft 3 - they were awesome! I knew that I was never going to win, but "maybe this time I'll make it to 3 wins!". It was exciting! It felt like there was something on the line. Tournaments aren't just for the ultra competitive.

I know tournaments aren't everyone's first choice, and I didn't realistically think the new mode would be tournaments, but I would still absolutely love to have them in the game. There is a large competitive scene for the game and support for it from Blizzard would be awesome!



So why don't you play in the numerous tournaments that are going on? Along with the fireside gatherings?
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Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
June 11 2015 02:07 GMT
#27
On June 11 2015 10:19 LastManProductions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 07:17 Azuzu wrote:
On June 11 2015 06:39 Volband wrote:
On June 11 2015 06:12 Bigbowlr1037 wrote:
So we want tournament mode and instead we get Tempo Storm ChallengeStone Mode. Yippee


But even without that personal context, why would a tournament mode would be soooo great?


When you are playing something in a competitive environment, it's fun to have something on the line. Tournaments are a means to that end. Nearly every card game out there has a tournament as their primary playing mode for this reason. The ladder is a mediocre means of competitive play at best due to a number of issues that blizzard seems reluctant to address(no rewards, short seasons, no matchmaking leading to aggro meta).

So why would tournament client integration be awesome? Playing in and running online tournaments is currently very difficult. There's no way to enforce many of the rules other than having a large admin staff to resolve disputes. This deters tournament organizers from ever wanting to run qualifying tournaments. Tournaments can take ages with hours in between rounds. Playing in a tournament right now is a really easy way to kill 8 hours even though you only get to play a handful of games. Dealing with random 3rd party websites of varying quality is annoying.

I remember tournaments in warcraft 3 - they were awesome! I knew that I was never going to win, but "maybe this time I'll make it to 3 wins!". It was exciting! It felt like there was something on the line. Tournaments aren't just for the ultra competitive.

I know tournaments aren't everyone's first choice, and I didn't realistically think the new mode would be tournaments, but I would still absolutely love to have them in the game. There is a large competitive scene for the game and support for it from Blizzard would be awesome!



So why don't you play in the numerous tournaments that are going on? Along with the fireside gatherings?

Its explained why, they suck. A tourney mode would also give you cold hard rewards something that hearthstone lacks greatly.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
June 11 2015 06:25 GMT
#28
On June 11 2015 03:37 lost_artz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 03:22 Roe wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:16 Kapparian wrote:
Will there be rewards/ladder? Otherwise kind of pointless to play it...

There's the whole fun to it


"screw fun, give rewards" everyone.

This is why Nox and Forsen are the best HS personalities. Fuck you pessimists Fun > lackofpashun
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
June 11 2015 06:29 GMT
#29
On June 11 2015 06:20 awesomoecalypse wrote:
So apparently it will be free to play, and reward a classic pack for the first brawl you win each week.

I really like that--in one swoop it helps solve the issues of new players having an incredibly hard time building their collections without spending a ton, of classic packs being unavailable except via purchase or the spectator quest, and of a metagame that many players feel doesn't change quickly enough to provide a varied ladder experience. Now everyone has incentive to log on and play once a week, and if they do the games are guaranteed to be different from what they've played before, and they'll get a free classic pack for their efforts. Sounds like a win for new players, a win for experienced players, and a win for Blizzard.

Source for the free classic pack? Because that is brilliant. Makes me love this so much more, for the reasons you made mention of. Its hard to convince my friends to play when it is so p2w unless you have a ver old account like I do.
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Malhavoc
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy308 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 07:43:44
June 11 2015 07:36 GMT
#30
Quoting from Blizzard site:

Tavern Brawls will have free admission when the new mode becomes available. As part of the launch celebration, you'll earn a free card pack when you win your first game of the week in the first several brawls!


Notice the bolded parts.. it seems like the free pack won't be forever, but just for the first few weeks. That sucks, because after it, there won't be any reason to play this mode apart from trying it for fun.

On the other hand, also the phrase "[..] will have free admission when the new mode becomes available" is unclear.. it may be that the pack may still be there in the future, but that the brawls will cost some after a whiel.

BTW, it doesn't say the pack is a classic one..

IMHO, given the target audience for a non-competitive play mode like this, I suppose that after the promotion it will remain free, but without any sort of prize. Just a more flavored practice mode.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
June 11 2015 08:28 GMT
#31
On June 11 2015 16:36 Malhavoc wrote:
Quoting from Blizzard site:

Show nested quote +
Tavern Brawls will have free admission when the new mode becomes available. As part of the launch celebration, you'll earn a free card pack when you win your first game of the week in the first several brawls!


Notice the bolded parts.. it seems like the free pack won't be forever, but just for the first few weeks. That sucks, because after it, there won't be any reason to play this mode apart from trying it for fun.

On the other hand, also the phrase "[..] will have free admission when the new mode becomes available" is unclear.. it may be that the pack may still be there in the future, but that the brawls will cost some after a whiel.

BTW, it doesn't say the pack is a classic one..

IMHO, given the target audience for a non-competitive play mode like this, I suppose that after the promotion it will remain free, but without any sort of prize. Just a more flavored practice mode.

Bad wording but from what Zeriyah (blizz employee) said on reddit, it's confirmed to be free, and the pack is classic.
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
June 11 2015 08:32 GMT
#32
Looking forward to it, from the looks of it its a fun way to fool around and get a free classic pack. Cant say no to that now, can ya.
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 08:42:37
June 11 2015 08:41 GMT
#33
On June 11 2015 06:12 Bigbowlr1037 wrote:
So we want tournament mode and instead we get Tempo Storm ChallengeStone Mode. Yippee


I like this more than the tournament mode. Introducing more variety in game in one way or another is better than getting what we can do already.
Friends don't let friends massacre civilians
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
June 11 2015 08:52 GMT
#34
On June 11 2015 11:07 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 10:19 LastManProductions wrote:
On June 11 2015 07:17 Azuzu wrote:
On June 11 2015 06:39 Volband wrote:
On June 11 2015 06:12 Bigbowlr1037 wrote:
So we want tournament mode and instead we get Tempo Storm ChallengeStone Mode. Yippee


But even without that personal context, why would a tournament mode would be soooo great?


When you are playing something in a competitive environment, it's fun to have something on the line. Tournaments are a means to that end. Nearly every card game out there has a tournament as their primary playing mode for this reason. The ladder is a mediocre means of competitive play at best due to a number of issues that blizzard seems reluctant to address(no rewards, short seasons, no matchmaking leading to aggro meta).

So why would tournament client integration be awesome? Playing in and running online tournaments is currently very difficult. There's no way to enforce many of the rules other than having a large admin staff to resolve disputes. This deters tournament organizers from ever wanting to run qualifying tournaments. Tournaments can take ages with hours in between rounds. Playing in a tournament right now is a really easy way to kill 8 hours even though you only get to play a handful of games. Dealing with random 3rd party websites of varying quality is annoying.

I remember tournaments in warcraft 3 - they were awesome! I knew that I was never going to win, but "maybe this time I'll make it to 3 wins!". It was exciting! It felt like there was something on the line. Tournaments aren't just for the ultra competitive.

I know tournaments aren't everyone's first choice, and I didn't realistically think the new mode would be tournaments, but I would still absolutely love to have them in the game. There is a large competitive scene for the game and support for it from Blizzard would be awesome!



So why don't you play in the numerous tournaments that are going on? Along with the fireside gatherings?

Its explained why, they suck. A tourney mode would also give you cold hard rewards something that hearthstone lacks greatly.

This game does not in need to reward the best players at all. What do you get if you are rank 1 in HotS or in a high tier in LoL? You play with better people, that's all, but you get the same [insert game currency]. (Yes, you get a unique skin and a border each year in LoL, but it's basically equal with the new card backs after every season in HS)

Good players can get infinite gold+dust with Arena runs anyway, so it's not like being good is not rewarded in the game.

I highly doubt a tournament mode is in such high demand that the currently existing way of playing tournaments (which apparently are quite tedious) would not be enough. Why would Blizz work hard and delay other content so that tournament organizers have an easier time / OR players who are starving for tournament play could get it more easily? Pretty much every casual player would abandon it after a month tops, because getting crushed by the same decks is NOT fun. And why would even the top few % HS players would want to play it so often? You better forget ANY rewards, you would be lucky to have 10 gold after three tournament game win, if any at all. Casual players not playing tournament mode is one thing, but them flipping out and abandoning the game is another. You can also forget real money rewards, because I doubt Blizz would dare to experiment with something like that after the huge failure of DIablo 3's AH.

Tournament mode makes a lot of sense in a game like SC2. There is no currency, no dust, no collectible units, nothing. You just play because you like to complete. Maybe if you win, you get a nice icon or something, so you can show off with it. Who would flip out on that?
Shev
Profile Joined August 2014
0 Posts
June 11 2015 11:58 GMT
#35
Yeah, what to do with that gold, also hoped for gold buy in tournaments, have 8k gold and nothing to spend it on:/
xeliana
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria60 Posts
June 11 2015 12:13 GMT
#36
well the new mode seems alright.

but the thing is ... within 1-2 days there will be a new "meta" and people will play the 2-4 "best" decks that work under the current restrictions.
also i believe that the brawl mode will get boring and stale rather quickly.

i would have really really like a tournament mode where daily automated tournaments take place. but im not complaining ... ill wait and see how it turns out.
keep calm and play dota!
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
June 11 2015 13:08 GMT
#37
On June 11 2015 20:58 Shev wrote:
Yeah, what to do with that gold, also hoped for gold buy in tournaments, have 8k gold and nothing to spend it on:/


Buy packs? Make all your cards golden? Wait for the next expansion?

As long as you have not hit the gold cap and have all cards in gold, there is no such thing as too much gold to spend :-P
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
June 11 2015 13:58 GMT
#38
I like it, I was hoping something akin to challengestone woud show up.
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Provocateur
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1665 Posts
June 11 2015 14:01 GMT
#39
This seems like a lot of fun, I hope they get creative with the deck restrictions definitely welcoming this over tournament mode, if you're that competitive about the game there's always the possibility to sign up for any of the weekly cups or whatever.
ethox
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland57 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 15:46:38
June 11 2015 15:37 GMT
#40
This seems nothing but great news for Hearthstone! It has been suffering for the problem of getting fucked over card options in Arena for the fifth time the same day, which does not inspire to go for another 4-3, 3-3. Let's face it, ranked without at least 2 polished decks is horrible. I'm sure everyone is familiar with the problems in ranked mode (poor rewards, netdecking and so forth), which is probably the reason why people were exited for the chance of a better competitive setting. But guys, can't you see how that would be the biggest, ugliest band-aid fix Blizzard has ever proposed? And that's no small task. Rather, I would like to see changes to Ranked mode itself to make it more lucrative instead of the solution of making another one with it's own issues. If the new mode was any decent, the previous ladder system would die. And if you integrate them... it would probably suck even more than right now.

I'm all for a more sensible ladder or matchmaking system, but please don't ask senseless decisions. Remember that more is more, more is fun, more makes sense.
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