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cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
April 25 2016 08:53 GMT
#2941
I got a question about the ladder system. So obviously blizzard has implemented some sort of MMR-system (something like ELO). At legend rank, we know they use the MMR to give a skill-rating comparable to everyone else. Obviously, it makes perfect sense for them to record the MMR for all players, not just legend players, in order to get the most accurate stats.

Now, I was under the impression that before legend, players are not matched according to MMR, but rather rank. But, you can be matched with legend players as a rank 1-3 players, and usually the lower tier. So doesn't this mean that they are really using the MMR to match players even in rank 1-3?

I'm just wondering what we know about the matchmaking system. My personal speculation is that it is basically purely based on MMR, perhaps with a few modifications so that a rank 19 would never meet a rank 1 despite even MMR.
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
April 25 2016 09:53 GMT
#2942
u could be matched with legend if u are 1-3 rank because there are not that many players in the said ranks (from legend to 3 or so), especially earlier in the season. Plus the fact that if u play in abnormal time, like 4am etc.

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cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 12:44:02
April 25 2016 12:42 GMT
#2943
Sure, and therefore I believe it uses the MMR to compare, at least whenever there are no one with approximate rank in queue. But the question remains: are players matched according to MMR or rank in general? Two players with similar MMR will in general have similar rank. But are they matched because of their rank or their MMR?

Just to make it clear, this is really a question about the inner mechanism of queued search - the actual code behind it - and not about what happens superficially in practice.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
April 25 2016 15:49 GMT
#2944
The text on Cult apothecary is slightly ambiguous in how it will function.
(Battlecry For each enemy minion, restore 2 health to your hero)

Now is this effect staggered; they have two minions the effect heals 2 then another 2, or does it clump that into healing 4?
Because if it's staggered I would consider this card top tier in priest.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 25 2016 18:38 GMT
#2945
On April 26 2016 00:49 Ovid wrote:
The text on Cult apothecary is slightly ambiguous in how it will function.
(Battlecry For each enemy minion, restore 2 health to your hero)

Now is this effect staggered; they have two minions the effect heals 2 then another 2, or does it clump that into healing 4?
Because if it's staggered I would consider this card top tier in priest.

Lil Exorcist gets the buff a single time. Unlikely that it's staggered.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
April 25 2016 21:18 GMT
#2946
On April 26 2016 03:38 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 00:49 Ovid wrote:
The text on Cult apothecary is slightly ambiguous in how it will function.
(Battlecry For each enemy minion, restore 2 health to your hero)

Now is this effect staggered; they have two minions the effect heals 2 then another 2, or does it clump that into healing 4?
Because if it's staggered I would consider this card top tier in priest.

Lil Exorcist gets the buff a single time. Unlikely that it's staggered.


A man can dream.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
Plaid_Dragon
Profile Joined March 2014
United States0 Posts
May 22 2016 15:37 GMT
#2947
On various streams I've seen the pros have some kind of card tracker/logger active, showing what's left in their deck and such.

Any recommendations for one of these?
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 22 2016 15:48 GMT
#2948
Yes Decktracker

On serious note, just google deck trackers, try them out and choose the one that fits best for u.

Personally i tried using them for a week or two and just stopped, i dont need them and dont want to use them.
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 07:28:19
May 23 2016 14:37 GMT
#2949
Paladin has multiple 1 health minions and Redemption secret, Hunter plays Knife Juggler and Unleash the Hounds.
Which minion gets Redemption? One who gets killed first or one who was played first?
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
May 23 2016 16:28 GMT
#2950
I'm 99% certain it is the one that is killed first.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 23 2016 17:28 GMT
#2951
It's whichever of the ones that is killed that was played first. The death resolution happens at the end of the UTH action stack, not in the middle: same reason why you have to wait for C'thun to finish thwopping to see the minions die. At that time, Redemption activates as if it had been an ordinary AoE spell.
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
May 24 2016 07:30 GMT
#2952
On May 24 2016 02:28 Acritter wrote:
It's whichever of the ones that is killed that was played first. The death resolution happens at the end of the UTH action stack, not in the middle: same reason why you have to wait for C'thun to finish thwopping to see the minions die. At that time, Redemption activates as if it had been an ordinary AoE spell.

I read that if Yogg-Saron, Hope's End battle cry kills Sylvanas and it gets stolen then it will keep casting spells for the opponent. Will it reset number of spells to cast to one that opponent has casted or keep casting remaining number of spells as if it was not stolen?
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
May 24 2016 09:22 GMT
#2953
On May 24 2016 16:30 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 02:28 Acritter wrote:
It's whichever of the ones that is killed that was played first. The death resolution happens at the end of the UTH action stack, not in the middle: same reason why you have to wait for C'thun to finish thwopping to see the minions die. At that time, Redemption activates as if it had been an ordinary AoE spell.

I read that if Yogg-Saron, Hope's End battle cry kills Sylvanas and it gets stolen then it will keep casting spells for the opponent. Will it reset number of spells to cast to one that opponent has casted or keep casting remaining number of spells as if it was not stolen?

Cast the remaining number as if it was not stolen. Due note that Brann on your side still multiplies it by two.
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-25 08:52:19
May 25 2016 08:50 GMT
#2954
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Text states "If your C'thun has at least 10 attack", tho it clearly has not.
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Hearken
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom0 Posts
May 25 2016 09:13 GMT
#2955
On May 25 2016 17:50 Madars wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Text states "If your C'thun has at least 10 attack", tho it clearly has not.

I have no idea whether this is a bug or intended, but it's covered in a recent Toast video:



It would seem that "If your C'Thun has at least 10 attack" refers to what could be described as an individual player's C'Thun score, which is dictated by the buffs applied, not specifically by C'Thun as a single card or minion.

This is the same reason why you can still increase your C'Thun score without even having the card in your deck, or how you can have multiple copies of a 16/16 C'Thun in your deck, though the one on the field has been Aldor'd.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
May 25 2016 17:17 GMT
#2956
The animation for buffing has been patched to only happen if you actually have C'Thun in your deck now. As for the rest, it's something I discovered during launch:

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/hearthstone/505589-new-expansion-whispers-of-the-old-gods?page=124#2466
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
May 26 2016 09:29 GMT
#2957
On May 26 2016 02:17 Wuster wrote:
The animation for buffing has been patched to only happen if you actually have C'Thun in your deck now. As for the rest, it's something I discovered during launch:

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/hearthstone/505589-new-expansion-whispers-of-the-old-gods?page=124#2466


So there is now no animation when a dead C'Thun is buffed, but still gets the buffs when you get it back with Doomcaller?
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
June 03 2016 17:33 GMT
#2958
if you play Shifter Zerus and it get's returned to hand, does it keep changing?
If it's played as original (1/1) before it changes?
<3 Alexis Eusebio, Lee Shin Hyung, Choi Seong Hun, Joo Sung Wook, Jang Min Chul, Kim Yoo Jin, Lee Young Ho, Lee Shin Hyung, Yun Young Seo, Kim Joon Ho, Jeong Jong Hyeon, Eo Yoon Su, Johan Lucchesi, Ilyes Satouri
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
June 04 2016 22:00 GMT
#2959
At the start of game when I have option to replace cards, if I press "Confirm" without replacing any cards, does opponent see that I did not replace any cards? or it's the same as if I haven't done anything?
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mandelised
Profile Joined December 2014
0 Posts
June 05 2016 12:23 GMT
#2960
Just played a game where Yogg Sarron was played after i had stealth-ed my board. First two spells were target a minion spells and Yogg targeted itself and destroyed itself.

Question was this coincidence or did the stealth afect Yogg.
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