Whatever.. I don't know wtf I'm doing defending someone I don't know, just saw him in channel seemed nice enough, but everyone here speaks of him as a jackass which I'm not sure he is. Also it's not a fact he's hacking anymore and banning him from competition with these facts would be like banning everybody "just to be sure no one hacks".

Grudge

United States92 Posts

December 10 2002 16:53 GMT

#85

Anyone sympathizing with Testie is a joke, lets face it, it is just a video game, but fact remains he got caught hacking not 1 time but 2 if you say "Well he doesnt hack now" and its ok, your just further ruining a community thats already pretty much ruined. Its the attitude of "well they probably dont hack anymore" that runs the community. And for the moron that decided to say lots of people hack and using that to justify testie hacking, wtf kinda drugs are you on, here's a question for you, if everyone else jumped off a bridge would you?

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

December 10 2002 17:32 GMT

#86

1) Your analogy sucks.
2) I'm ruining the community? Heh ok.
3) Make sense next time, thx.

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

December 10 2002 17:35 GMT

#87

This analogy is better than yours:

If you pissed your pants a few times, will you consider it fair to be excluded from society 10 years from then?

Artenus

United States162 Posts

December 10 2002 17:46 GMT

#88

ok the thing is...we dont know whether or not he'll hack again. just because he doesnt hack now it doesnt mean he wont hack in the future. testie has used hacks too many times and u cant expect us to be nice to him and trust him. sorry to say this but he has lost his credibility...

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

December 10 2002 17:51 GMT

#89

I agree that once someone is caught for doing something, claims that they will not commit the action in the future, and is then caught again, they cross the line. This is because after the first incident, there is always a possibility that they weren't fully aware of the severity of the action, but what argument can they give after the second one? At this point, there is no possibility of innocence: intentional wrongdoing is definite.

On December 10 2002 18:25 dudex wrote:
doing things right all the time makes u DULL

That is ridiculous. Now, obviously people can't avoid causing ANY negative consequences through their actions, but what you're saying argues that people should be harmful for the sake of being harmful, like they have a quota to meet or something and if they aren't harmful enough, then that's bad. Harmful acts are not necessarily wrong, but you can never use the fact that an act was harmful as proof that it was good or right: it is always a bad attribute.

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

December 10 2002 17:51 GMT

#90

Just because Boxer doesn't hack doesn't mean he won't hack in the future. Agreed? Agreed. Let's not let him play in tournys! I know it's not the same, but Testie had your "credibility" before he hacked, hm?

Artenus

United States162 Posts

December 10 2002 17:59 GMT

#91

if he didnt hack so much maybe more people here will repect him. but no...he keeps hacking...he did this to himself.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

December 10 2002 17:59 GMT

#92

Obviously Testie (and anyone who has hacked even once) has a much higher chance of hacking than Boxer, not to mention the fact that Boxer has more to lose than pretty much any other SC player.

I believe that a very clear statement about his personality was made when he was caught hacking a second time: he felt that hacking was okay. Thus, why would he stop now? Since hacking in itself is obviously not a bad thing to him (unless he's undergone some kind of transformation, which most people who are no longer children will not undergo), the only reason he would have not to hack would be because of the consequences inflicted upon him when he is caught. Therefore, hacking is okay as long as he doesn't get caught again. It's called acting based on Reward/Punishment: actions are fine as long as you don't get caught. Testie already made the decision of whether or not to hack based upon this guideline, and I see no reason why he wouldn't do it again.

Artenus

United States162 Posts

December 10 2002 18:03 GMT

#93

another thing...boxer has proven himself by winning major competitions...something that testie has never done before(dont bring up wcg canada because ongamenet and other korean competition are 5x harder than wcg canada)

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

December 10 2002 18:21 GMT

#94

It's very funny how all you guys are such psychology experts. But I'm not going to continue defending Testie, just because there is no benefit in this for me. Don't flame me and I'll shut up.

RowdyBob

Australia206 Posts

December 10 2002 18:35 GMT

#95

Hmmm whilst some ppl were abusing Testie other day in chatroom, he claimed the game vs Drone (?) was a fake. Any truth to this?

Artenus

United States162 Posts

December 10 2002 19:04 GMT

#96

On December 11 2002 03:21 MPXMX wrote:
It's very funny how all you guys are such psychology experts. But I'm not going to continue defending Testie, just because there is no benefit in this for me. Don't flame me and I'll shut up.

ok then tell us why we should give testie a chance and why we should trust him after all the hackings that he has done. so far none of your arguments are strong enough to convince us that testie deserves a another chance and that he deserves our respect.

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

December 10 2002 20:22 GMT

#97

On December 11 2002 03:35 RowdyBob wrote:Hmmm whilst some ppl were abusing Testie other day in chatroom, he claimed the game vs Drone (?) was a fake. Any truth to this?

No. The fact that he denies the game is real only proves it more(atleast for me).

Pomozite

Croatia647 Posts

December 10 2002 20:24 GMT

#98

In (other?) sports there are some rules about cheaters and when someone does something like that there are penalties. There is no some organisation like UEFA in football for computer games so it is up to people who organize WGTour to allow Testie to play or ban him. Testie still hasn't abused their tournament so they don't see reason to ban him. If you make your own tournament you can make your own rules.
I'm sure Testie will never get invitation to Team Liquid tournaments.

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

December 10 2002 20:26 GMT

#99

very true

Liquid.Venice

United States916 Posts

December 10 2002 21:42 GMT

#100

Ive often wondered if nazgul and others were lying about that being real, although i don't get why they would.

The replay seems extremely lame though, almost hard to believe.

Anyone in their right mind who hacked would not send THREE scvs THROUGH a goon to scout, WHEN THEY ALREADY HACKED.

And the opposing player, especially a good, attentitive one would notice this RIGHT away.