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MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-12-09 18:11:17
December 09 2002 18:10 GMT
#61
I agree with Dogg on everything except the puttind down Nazgul part. I don't put down anyone who goes against Testie, but I just think they ARE or MIGHT BE wrong about what he is right now.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 09 2002 18:24 GMT
#62
wrong on what?

note: I never said he still hacks. That's something both you and me cannot know and that's exactly why I have a problem with him.
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A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
December 09 2002 18:41 GMT
#63
On December 09 2002 22:17 HoNDa- wrote:
It bothers me that blizzard still hasnt corrected this hacking problem.
Anyone who hacks has no respect for other people. If blizzard wanted us to see what the other person was doing there would be no such thing as fog of war. There is no option in brood wars like there warcraft 2 to remove fog of war. Blizzard did this for a reason, it is so that you can have some element of surprise, if you dont let them scout your tech. We need to try and get blizzard to create a program that searches out maphackers like in warcraft 3 and either bans their cd key or marks there id with a symbol so that they can be disqualified from any online competitions. I'll send the first email reqesting a hack detecting program.


Blizzard has tried, but as soon as the new patch comes out, a new hack will be out within a few days (BTW where is 1.10??) . Blizzard won't spend the resources to combat a problem that won't ever go away on a game that has passed its era of profitability. Unfortunately, no one can fix the problem. But, I don't think most people hack, unfortunately, the hackers will come out in droves for a high profile ladder such as the WG Tour. Sux.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
UltRaTeRRan
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)22 Posts
December 09 2002 18:44 GMT
#64
On December 10 2002 03:41 A3iL3r0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2002 22:17 HoNDa- wrote:
It bothers me that blizzard still hasnt corrected this hacking problem.
Anyone who hacks has no respect for other people. If blizzard wanted us to see what the other person was doing there would be no such thing as fog of war. There is no option in brood wars like there warcraft 2 to remove fog of war. Blizzard did this for a reason, it is so that you can have some element of surprise, if you dont let them scout your tech. We need to try and get blizzard to create a program that searches out maphackers like in warcraft 3 and either bans their cd key or marks there id with a symbol so that they can be disqualified from any online competitions. I'll send the first email reqesting a hack detecting program.


Blizzard has tried, but as soon as the new patch comes out, a new hack will be out within a few days (BTW where is 1.10??) . Blizzard won't spend the resources to combat a problem that won't ever go away on a game that has passed its era of profitability. Unfortunately, no one can fix the problem. But, I don't think most people hack, unfortunately, the hackers will come out in droves for a high profile ladder such as the WG Tour. Sux.



I agree totally^^
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
December 09 2002 19:09 GMT
#65
You say something like: if he hacked and got caught more than once, he should never be allowed to play competitevely again. I would agree if Testie made statements of this sort: "So I hack, you can't do anything about it so stfu", but I don't if he said anything like that, and don't think he did.

I don't know if you realize it but A LOT and I mean A LOT of people hack/have tried hacking, and they don't just hack once, they hack all the time; however, people change and besides, if I was caught map-hacking twice, and got a horrible reputation, I wouldn't think "now that i have this reputation I can't hurt it more" and continue hacking - I'd try to remove the stains or at least NOT live up to it. Let's count him human, hm?

You said "I never said he still hacks. That's something both you and me cannot know and that's exactly why I have a problem with him.". But I think your problem with him is exactly that you DO think he still hacks. Any player in the tournament can be a hacker, whether you know it or not. Now don't flame this final thought, but flame everything else if you want ( ), because it's only my harmless opinoin and I don't want it to get flamed, so here it goes: you can dislike Testie for having have hacked in the past and being the person it takes to disrespect other people and spoil their fun, but right now, with what we have, he's as much a hacker as anyone you play that you don't know in real life.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-12-09 19:31:24
December 09 2002 19:27 GMT
#66
but what if he gets caught for the THIRD time now? Will you support him next time AGAIN? Or is 3 times the actual line for you? What if he gets caught a 4th time after that?

I like to draw the line at one myself, but I do realize that people can change, however when someone gets caught twice with a time-span of more than a year I lose all reason to trust him.
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OrangeTerran
Profile Joined October 2002
United States963 Posts
December 09 2002 19:39 GMT
#67
yeah this shouldn't cause any controversy. common sense guys, he can't be trusted =[
Anaheim, California
Artenus
Profile Joined September 2002
United States162 Posts
December 09 2002 19:47 GMT
#68
testie has done it again and again....he lost his credibility...
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-12-09 20:16:22
December 09 2002 20:02 GMT
#69
On December 10 2002 04:27 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
but what if he gets caught for the THIRD time now? Will you support him next time AGAIN? Or is 3 times the actual line for you? What if he gets caught a 4th time after that?

I like to draw the line at one myself, but I do realize that people can change, however when someone gets caught twice with a time-span of more than a year I lose all reason to trust him.


For all of you who support Testie, or at least show a smidgeon of pity for him, think of this. You are doing a probe transfer, a surprise drop or whatever and his units are right there to defeat it. What are you going to think? It was luck? No. You are going to assume its hacking because he has broken that trust. Naz is exactly right in that. You can't trust Testie, so why would you want to play him?


I don't know if you realize it but A LOT and I mean A LOT of people hack/have tried hacking, and they don't just hack once, they hack all the time; however, people change and besides, if I was caught map-hacking twice, and got a horrible reputation, I wouldn't think "now that i have this reputation I can't hurt it more" and continue hacking - I'd try to remove the stains or at least NOT live up to it. Let's count him human, hm?


I disagree with you on the basis that you discount the mentality of people who need to win. The best players of any sport are generally those who cannot stand to lose. Testie has an ego, and obviously wants to win very badly, and cannot stand losing. So he hacks. So yes, lets count him human, and humans who have a need will generally do anything to fill that need. I am not saying every player who cannot stand losing hacks, I am saying players who succumb to the temptation to hack would have a very hard time going back. It's just in their nature. And its also human nature to have a "fuck you" sort of attitude once a group has rejected you. So I wouldn't be surprised if he started hacking more.


Bottom line: Testie is always going to face the question, "Is he that good or is he just hacking?"
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
[r]h_probe
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States188 Posts
December 09 2002 20:11 GMT
#70
Fz-dogg , what about your friend fz-korn who got reset for abusing some ladder back east. I remember hearing about that. I think it was the scc ladder. The one with the weird point system where there were no known players.
fZ-DoGG
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada73 Posts
December 09 2002 22:04 GMT
#71
lets put it this way.. testie wouldnt have 8 losses in wgtour right now if he was hacking. hes learned from his mistakes and he wants to play competetively now, which he was been doing successfully. he went off with korean pro gamers to get away from old school "hacker" comments that were old and he was sick of... u think koreans would play with a hacker/cheater? I believe he has stopped since WCG 2001 where he gave Grrrr... and Smuft a very bad scare in their games.
^_^
Artenus
Profile Joined September 2002
United States162 Posts
December 09 2002 22:28 GMT
#72
those games that he played in wcg were close games?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 09 2002 23:44 GMT
#73
Actually Koreans/progamers usually can't care less if someone is hacking. It'll even give them better practise.

Just as noone can say he _does_ hack you can't say he doesn't. If you think you can state such a thing with a person like Testie you're really making an idiot out of yourself.
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Liquid`Spy
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands1301 Posts
December 10 2002 00:11 GMT
#74
"Actually Koreans/progamers usually can't care less if someone is hacking. It'll even give them better practise."

well since you're going to be one of them soon he will give you better practise then too naz =)
Im a spy in the house of love
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
December 10 2002 00:25 GMT
#75
On December 10 2002 09:11 Liquid`Spy wrote:
"Actually Koreans/progamers usually can't care less if someone is hacking. It'll even give them better practise."

well since you're going to be one of them soon he will give you better practise then too naz =)


LOL!
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 10 2002 00:30 GMT
#76
"usually"

ass
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)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
December 10 2002 08:47 GMT
#77
its more funny how kid doesnt even play gamei lolz
dudex
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)31 Posts
December 10 2002 09:25 GMT
#78
i'd play him
i wouldn't say he doesn't hack though, and i doubt i'll say that again
but as far as his recent replays show, he looks like a hacker as much as naz does
but i don't doubt he'll be good to practice against. and i play nicknames not people...
plus i cheat on my final terms
i cheat on girls sometimes
...and so do u, don't play mature

doing things right all the time makes u DULL
(tell that to koreans...)
4 people who play him in an online competition there is no way of knowing as there isn't with any other players
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
December 10 2002 16:05 GMT
#79
It's been a while, Nazgul. If he hacks now this will be where I draw the line, not because it's the third time, but because it's been a long time and he's still hacking, meaning he was probably all this time. But given the time from the last time he was caught, it's more right to assume he's clean IMO.
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
December 10 2002 16:08 GMT
#80
Hmmm.. this caught my eye:

"think you can state such a thing with a person like Testie"

I thought the only reason you disliked him was because he hacked. Then why do you refer to the kind of p e r s o n he is? A "hacking" person? Heh.
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