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Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 06 2002 16:11 GMT
#21
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 06 2002 16:41 GMT
#22
what rules?

I believe there are no rules (yet) for someone who got caught hacking twice.
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Misca
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands605 Posts
December 06 2002 16:51 GMT
#23
got caught doens't means he got caught hacking in the current wgtour season so there is no reason to ban him if he didn't get caugt hacking in this season.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
December 06 2002 17:06 GMT
#24
Ironic but true. If no one can prove he hacks now, he cannot be banned. Not just because he ownz some n00bs @ 2v2 (
River me timbers.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 06 2002 17:34 GMT
#25
Why not? Does he make the rules?

If you shoot someone in spring, can you not be convicted after summer has started?
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RowdyBob
Profile Joined October 2002
Australia206 Posts
December 06 2002 17:42 GMT
#26
hmmm kinda bad comparison there as hacking isnt really a crime compared to mureder. Still i dun think some1 who's been caught hacking twice should be allowed in a major tourny/tour like WGTour. Kinda like giving a twice convicted paedophile a job at a preschool or something (didnt i just mention bad comparisons...ah well...)
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-12-06 17:46:56
December 06 2002 17:44 GMT
#27
(I think I know hacking is not the same as murder, HELLO!?)


I don't see why it can't be compared though.

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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
December 06 2002 17:50 GMT
#28
I agree with Naz on this one. If a guy gets caught cheating in Vegas twice, I don't think they'd let him back into the casino ever. I think this is true of many things.

If Testie cheated once, shame on him... if Testie cheats twice, shame on the people who let him..
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Qvark
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden185 Posts
December 06 2002 17:51 GMT
#29
Well Nazgul, In most countries, Netherlands too I assume, you cannot get convicted for crimes that happened too long ago. The less severe the crime, the shorter time can you be punished for it.
I think the time for cheating in an COMPUTER GAME should be rather short.
So you dont like him? Understandable.
Dont want to play him? OK
Want him banned from wgt bc of some replay which is 1,5 years old + the 'common knowledge' that he's lied a couple of times? Get real ffs
Davvve
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
December 06 2002 17:51 GMT
#30
but u cant send someone to jail twice for the same crime. i think thats rather the case here. tho u can punish him harder (or faster) if he hacks again.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
December 06 2002 17:55 GMT
#31
Problem with Testie is that he hasn't been sent to jail.

If people just keep letting him participate in more tournaments (same with letting him get away with it w/o any consequences), then he'll just continue to hack since there's no reason not to. He doesn't have to worry about his reputation, it's already ruined. So why not hack in a tourney? So far he's still being allowed to play in a major league despite his transgressions.

Why let a player with a confirmed past of cheating possibly take the spot of a legit player? Try to think of how this might affect an innocent person's chances of making it to the top.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 06 2002 17:56 GMT
#32
So what keeps everyone from cheating then if you're going to be on the next season?

I could play myself to the top 16, turn on the maphack and it wouldn't matter. Because next season I can play anyway?

I don't like him for the single reason that he's unable to stop hacking. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Artenus
Profile Joined September 2002
United States162 Posts
December 06 2002 20:23 GMT
#33
why should we trust testie? he keeps hacking even when people discovers he's hacking. he has done it over and over again and he has failed to demonstrate any self discipline.
)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
December 07 2002 00:30 GMT
#34
On December 07 2002 02:34 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Why not? Does he make the rules?

If you shoot someone in spring, can you not be convicted after summer has started?


dats word of wisdom from nazgul
HACK = NEVER BE FORGIVEN
N.sL)_CirCle
Profile Joined December 2002
New Zealand478 Posts
December 07 2002 01:19 GMT
#35
Naz, I agree a 'convicted' hacker (twice) should not be able to play something like wgtour. if he places 16 at the end of the season it could force out a far better legit player etc etc. that sux.

but how are u going to stop him? even if his mannertestie acct gets banned he can just create a new one. it would take 5 mins and no one would know who he was...
I'm home with the downies
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
December 07 2002 02:58 GMT
#36
We already discussed that, IP tracking.
N.sL)_CirCle
Profile Joined December 2002
New Zealand478 Posts
December 07 2002 04:02 GMT
#37
sorry, cant comment on that. in new zealand all u have to do is reconnect and u have dif ip, even with dsl etc. costs nothing.
I'm home with the downies
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 07 2002 06:31 GMT
#38
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esk0
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden1393 Posts
December 07 2002 07:19 GMT
#39
On December 06 2002 19:11 Casper... wrote:
testie is a very solid player.

that said, he obviously cheated all thru till about 1.5 years ago; being a clever cheater against somewhat known players, flagrant against newbs and turning it off against respected members of the community. those unnamed 1500 ladder players of years past? him, on multiple accounts, during his hiatus' whenever the community was pissed at him. he has a shit computer and wasn't playing any fps or aoe2 or anything else. he was playing bw.

the solidity of his game is obviously due to years of hacking against decent players (x17) while accumulating thousands of hours of experience. any player who has played as much as he has can win 90% of his games against anything but pro-level competition. he also knows more about who has hacked in the bw community then anyone else on the planet, having played chess with hackers the world over.

none of this makes up for his lack of handspeed and excessive "templeness".

is he hacking today? i doubt it. he played very safe and "korean" at wcg canada. his playing 2 hat main on land at wcg canada suggests that he was clean for a long period before that (2 hat main is pure skill). now the year before, he woulda raped smuft any matchup but pvp on land and lost any matchup on valhalla. i was there and i can tell you that he woulda also lost to yosh on any map had they played. he had very good spots on temple vs grrrr but choked, and woulda got raped hardcore on valhalla. none of this is that far off his online performance, at least over the past 1.5 years. before that he was notorious on east but he didn't do shit in tournies (i2e2? pgl s2? bw.com?).

i kinda like testie but his online persona is far beyond rescue.


"2 hat main is pure skill"
hmmm.. since when?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28784 Posts
December 07 2002 07:49 GMT
#40
what he means is that when you're going 2 hatch in main as zerg vs toss you're not relying on a hack to play for you.. cause it's a really safe opening that works against anything, however while hacking a zerg can either go fast exp or 9pool or 2 hatch or whatever depending on what build order his opponent is using.
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