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On November 05 2008 14:54 Jibba wrote:
OWNED.
I was in Ann Arbor, the second hub in MI next to Detroit. We got a small office downtown (3-4 computers, 6 phones) with shitty internet, plumbing and wasn't air conditioned most of the time but we were constantly packed with volunteers by the end of the summer and we always had donations. We basically had one of those pro gamer snack piles + donated restaurant food and donated gourmet chocolate.
you know i think we actually have a decent sized office for the precinct. but i've never been there. everything in my district happened at community centers, churches, people's houses, etc.
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I heard prop 8 passed, does anyone have the official word on it?
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On November 05 2008 15:09 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:03 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:57 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:55 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:50 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:00 IdrA wrote:
they have not endured slavery, their ancestors did
they did not accomplish anything to be proud of, obama did (barring those who directly, effectively helped him)
and racism will definitely still exist. just because a black guy is president you think all the red necks and idiots will change their minds? Many minorities feel proud that Obama won, feel that they as a people have achieved something, because they identify themselves as part of a group that, although it resides in America, has always been treated as though and has always felt as if it were not a part of the American nation. being the same color as someone who accomplished something does not give you reason to be proud if you contributed nothing to their success. i'm not debating whether this identification makes sense or not. but by your logic then it's idiotic to be proud of your country, the achievements of your family, your father, your sister, your favorite soccer team winning, etc. yes it is, why would you be proud of something you had nothing to do with? of course you can be happy about it, but if you had no part in something happening why would you be proud of it? its not like you accomplished or achieved anything by someone else being successful, whats to be proud of? we're proud that our country is finally at the point where we can elect a man of color-someone who still would have had to go to seperate school or drink from a special fountain half a century ago. unless youre an ass backwards bigot, then you absolutely should be proud that our country has reached the point where, on the whole, we can look past color and put a man in the highest postion in the land. you dont have to vote for him to be proud of that. how the fuck can't you grasp that
pride is a personal feeling of accomplishment. i am not the one who pushed our country towards this point, you probably arent either. the civil rights leaders, the people who actively fight racism. they are the ones who should be proud that a black person could be elected. obama and his campaign, they are the ones who should be proud that obama got elected. theres no reason we cant be happy about it, but unless you actually had something to do with it you have personally achieved nothing and so have nothing to be proud of.
i think my wording may sound like i think something bad has happened "you have nothing to be proud of" comes with the connotation of doing something disgraceful or whatever, i obviously dont mean that. i just mean that people who didnt have a direct impact on it have not accomplished anything individually.
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On November 05 2008 15:13 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:09 Hawk wrote:On November 05 2008 15:03 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:57 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:55 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:50 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:00 IdrA wrote:
they have not endured slavery, their ancestors did
they did not accomplish anything to be proud of, obama did (barring those who directly, effectively helped him)
and racism will definitely still exist. just because a black guy is president you think all the red necks and idiots will change their minds? Many minorities feel proud that Obama won, feel that they as a people have achieved something, because they identify themselves as part of a group that, although it resides in America, has always been treated as though and has always felt as if it were not a part of the American nation. being the same color as someone who accomplished something does not give you reason to be proud if you contributed nothing to their success. i'm not debating whether this identification makes sense or not. but by your logic then it's idiotic to be proud of your country, the achievements of your family, your father, your sister, your favorite soccer team winning, etc. yes it is, why would you be proud of something you had nothing to do with? of course you can be happy about it, but if you had no part in something happening why would you be proud of it? its not like you accomplished or achieved anything by someone else being successful, whats to be proud of? we're proud that our country is finally at the point where we can elect a man of color-someone who still would have had to go to seperate school or drink from a special fountain half a century ago. unless youre an ass backwards bigot, then you absolutely should be proud that our country has reached the point where, on the whole, we can look past color and put a man in the highest postion in the land. you dont have to vote for him to be proud of that. how the fuck can't you grasp that pride is a personal feeling of accomplishment. i am not the one who pushed our country towards this point, you probably arent either. the civil rights leaders, the people who actively fight racism. they are the ones who should be proud that a black person could be elected. obama and his campaign, they are the ones who should be proud that obama got elected. theres no reason we cant be happy about it, but unless you actually had something to do with it you have personally achieved nothing and so have nothing to be proud of. i think my wording may sound like i think something bad has happened "you have nothing to be proud of" comes with the connotation of doing something disgraceful or whatever, i obviously dont mean that. i just mean that people who didnt have a direct impact on it have not accomplished anything individually.
but can you not contribute to this happening by being a citizen and supporter of american democracy by just simply choosing to live and work in america and contributing to it's economy and society? your contribution might be small, but you are the small part of the whole, so be proud. plz.
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back when obama/mccain were tied on intrade shmay said
Still think Obama's gonna win. Tried to place a bet on him on intrade but due to some law passed by asshole congress, it said my bank wouldn't allow it.
Fuck you Congress, now it's personal.
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On November 05 2008 15:17 shmay wrote:Show nested quote + back when obama/mccain were tied on intrade shmay said
Still think Obama's gonna win. Tried to place a bet on him on intrade but due to some law passed by asshole congress, it said my bank wouldn't allow it. Fuck you Congress, now it's personal.
republicans were in control of congress when that bill was passed! /politics
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On November 05 2008 15:16 Phantom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:13 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 15:09 Hawk wrote:On November 05 2008 15:03 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:57 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:55 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:50 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:00 IdrA wrote:
they have not endured slavery, their ancestors did
they did not accomplish anything to be proud of, obama did (barring those who directly, effectively helped him)
and racism will definitely still exist. just because a black guy is president you think all the red necks and idiots will change their minds? Many minorities feel proud that Obama won, feel that they as a people have achieved something, because they identify themselves as part of a group that, although it resides in America, has always been treated as though and has always felt as if it were not a part of the American nation. being the same color as someone who accomplished something does not give you reason to be proud if you contributed nothing to their success. i'm not debating whether this identification makes sense or not. but by your logic then it's idiotic to be proud of your country, the achievements of your family, your father, your sister, your favorite soccer team winning, etc. yes it is, why would you be proud of something you had nothing to do with? of course you can be happy about it, but if you had no part in something happening why would you be proud of it? its not like you accomplished or achieved anything by someone else being successful, whats to be proud of? we're proud that our country is finally at the point where we can elect a man of color-someone who still would have had to go to seperate school or drink from a special fountain half a century ago. unless youre an ass backwards bigot, then you absolutely should be proud that our country has reached the point where, on the whole, we can look past color and put a man in the highest postion in the land. you dont have to vote for him to be proud of that. how the fuck can't you grasp that pride is a personal feeling of accomplishment. i am not the one who pushed our country towards this point, you probably arent either. the civil rights leaders, the people who actively fight racism. they are the ones who should be proud that a black person could be elected. obama and his campaign, they are the ones who should be proud that obama got elected. theres no reason we cant be happy about it, but unless you actually had something to do with it you have personally achieved nothing and so have nothing to be proud of. i think my wording may sound like i think something bad has happened "you have nothing to be proud of" comes with the connotation of doing something disgraceful or whatever, i obviously dont mean that. i just mean that people who didnt have a direct impact on it have not accomplished anything individually. but can you not contribute to this happening by being a citizen and supporter of american democracy by just simply choosing to live and work in america and contributing to it's economy and society? your contribution might be small, but you are the small part of the whole, so be proud. plz.
i feel like thats grapsing at straws, and it denigrates the achievement of the people who actually achieved something.
ya... mlk jr inspired millions. i dont look down on people who are a different color than me. weve really achieved something here.
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On November 05 2008 15:12 Chuiu wrote:
I heard prop 8 passed, does anyone have the official word on it? Right now it's on it's way to passing. 53-47 in favor of Prop 8. However that's with only 37% of the votes counted and as more votes are counted the gap is closing. So it looks grim but there's still hope.
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On November 05 2008 15:20 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:12 Chuiu wrote:
I heard prop 8 passed, does anyone have the official word on it? Right now it's on it's way to passing. 53-47 in favor of Prop 8. However that's with only 37% of the votes counted and as more votes are counted the gap is closing. So it looks grim but there's still hope.
That's good, it doesn't affect me personally but I still hope it doesn't pass. A hint of progress is being made in this country, finally.
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Unfortunately, it looks like Prop 8 is going to pass. I guess I can't have every victory (even if it's not in my state). Good night overall, but that still sucks.
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So if Prop 8 passes what does that mean?
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On November 05 2008 15:27 Enrique wrote:
Unfortunately, it looks like Prop 8 is going to pass. I guess I can't have every victory (even if it's not in my state). Good night overall, but that still sucks.
only 1/3rd of the vote is in and the gap is 6 pts, i would say there's still plenty of road left for a comeback
@Stealth, if Prop 8 passes then California bans gay marriage
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Currently gay marriage is legal here in California, if prop 8 passes then that right will be taken away. Not sure if gays who are already married will have their marriage annulled though...(I don't believe that's the case but I'm not completely sure).
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On November 05 2008 15:31 a-game wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:27 Enrique wrote:
Unfortunately, it looks like Prop 8 is going to pass. I guess I can't have every victory (even if it's not in my state). Good night overall, but that still sucks. only 1/3rd of the vote is in and the gap is 6 pts, i would say there's still plenty of road left for a comeback @Stealth, if Prop 8 passes then California bans gay marriage
You're right, it's definitely not over by any stretch, but on this particular issue, I'm not optimistic. I hope it turns around... we'll see I guess.
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On November 05 2008 15:20 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:16 Phantom wrote:On November 05 2008 15:13 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 15:09 Hawk wrote:On November 05 2008 15:03 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:57 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:55 IdrA wrote:On November 05 2008 14:50 ItchReliever wrote:On November 05 2008 14:00 IdrA wrote:
they have not endured slavery, their ancestors did
they did not accomplish anything to be proud of, obama did (barring those who directly, effectively helped him)
and racism will definitely still exist. just because a black guy is president you think all the red necks and idiots will change their minds? Many minorities feel proud that Obama won, feel that they as a people have achieved something, because they identify themselves as part of a group that, although it resides in America, has always been treated as though and has always felt as if it were not a part of the American nation. being the same color as someone who accomplished something does not give you reason to be proud if you contributed nothing to their success. i'm not debating whether this identification makes sense or not. but by your logic then it's idiotic to be proud of your country, the achievements of your family, your father, your sister, your favorite soccer team winning, etc. yes it is, why would you be proud of something you had nothing to do with? of course you can be happy about it, but if you had no part in something happening why would you be proud of it? its not like you accomplished or achieved anything by someone else being successful, whats to be proud of? we're proud that our country is finally at the point where we can elect a man of color-someone who still would have had to go to seperate school or drink from a special fountain half a century ago. unless youre an ass backwards bigot, then you absolutely should be proud that our country has reached the point where, on the whole, we can look past color and put a man in the highest postion in the land. you dont have to vote for him to be proud of that. how the fuck can't you grasp that pride is a personal feeling of accomplishment. i am not the one who pushed our country towards this point, you probably arent either. the civil rights leaders, the people who actively fight racism. they are the ones who should be proud that a black person could be elected. obama and his campaign, they are the ones who should be proud that obama got elected. theres no reason we cant be happy about it, but unless you actually had something to do with it you have personally achieved nothing and so have nothing to be proud of. i think my wording may sound like i think something bad has happened "you have nothing to be proud of" comes with the connotation of doing something disgraceful or whatever, i obviously dont mean that. i just mean that people who didnt have a direct impact on it have not accomplished anything individually. but can you not contribute to this happening by being a citizen and supporter of american democracy by just simply choosing to live and work in america and contributing to it's economy and society? your contribution might be small, but you are the small part of the whole, so be proud. plz. i feel like thats grapsing at straws, and it denigrates the achievement of the people who actually achieved something. ya... mlk jr inspired millions. i dont look down on people who are a different color than me. weve really achieved something here.
that's dangerous thinking that breeds cynicism and causes democracy to not work. if you don't think u can be proud for doing a small part of a larger because not everyone can be helping out supporting a campaign when they have to work at minimum wage to support their family and such. i don't think it degenerates the achievement of the ppl who actually did something, because they couldn't have achieved that without the support of the people who created the conditions for them to achieve it, such as the voters, or the everyday american who makes up america and democracy.
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On November 05 2008 15:19 a-game wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:17 shmay wrote: back when obama/mccain were tied on intrade shmay said
Still think Obama's gonna win. Tried to place a bet on him on intrade but due to some law passed by asshole congress, it said my bank wouldn't allow it. Fuck you Congress, now it's personal. republicans were in control of congress when that bill was passed! /politics
i'm not a republican!
anyway, there has been so much hype for obama, i just don't know how he can live up to it. he's inherited a country with a lot of problems that aren't going to be solved anytime soon.
still nice to have a president with some oratory abilities after 8 terrible years of bush bumbling.
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being a small part of something good is something to be proud of, but your average person was essentially not a part at all. together we are strong and all that, but the fact of the matter is if i were a racist it would not have had any impact whatsoever on what happened. i can be proud of being a good person(or at least holding just views on this topic), i cant be proud of something i was irrelevant to.
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I love how there is a diagonal line from the proportions between voters for mccain between 18-29 all the way down to 65 and older. It was all about the battle between young'ins vs oldies. The mass of old guys yelling 'you irani kids git affa mah lawn', perched on a rocking chair under a heavily whiskey-scented red and black blanket, must have exclaimed a collective 'dagnabbit, this is just like the last 08 :@', Mccain included lol.
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On November 05 2008 15:46 IdrA wrote:
being a small part of something good is something to be proud of, but your average person was essentially not a part at all. together we are strong and all that, but the fact of the matter is if i were a racist it would not have had any impact whatsoever on what happened. i can be proud of being a good person(or at least holding just views on this topic), i cant be proud of something i was irrelevant to.
Why can't you be proud by proxy? Plus afaik you still haven't really answered why pride in people's country (ubiquitous in America) is any more valid than pride in people's race?
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On November 05 2008 15:55 HamerD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 15:46 IdrA wrote:
being a small part of something good is something to be proud of, but your average person was essentially not a part at all. together we are strong and all that, but the fact of the matter is if i were a racist it would not have had any impact whatsoever on what happened. i can be proud of being a good person(or at least holding just views on this topic), i cant be proud of something i was irrelevant to. Why can't you be proud by proxy? Plus afaik you still haven't really answered why pride in people's country (ubiquitous in America) is any more valid than pride in people's race?
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someone asked if my logic would mean it was also idiotic to be proud of your country,family,etc
and i said yes, assuming you werent responsible for whatever it is you're 'proud' of.
are you proud of the achievements or prominent astrologists?
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