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after we re-elected to office the worst president in US History.Tonight i turned it back to something more upbeat.
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
after we re-elected to office the worst president in US History.Tonight i turned it back to something more upbeat. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:00 IdrA wrote: they have not endured slavery, their ancestors did they did not accomplish anything to be proud of, obama did (barring those who directly, effectively helped him) and racism will definitely still exist. just because a black guy is president you think all the red necks and idiots will change their minds? - no but it sends yet another clear message, that their anachronism is slowly but surely, and ever more frequently being pushed back to were it belongs... history | ||
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Tadzio
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:41 ahrara_ wrote: i'd second this, as someone who has worked for the obama campaign (i think you have too, iirc). the ground campaign was extraordinarily well organized and disciplined. it was as close to a "50 state strategy" as you got. volunteers were tapped effectively and deployed efficiently. here in california, we were making calls to swing voters in New Mexico and Nevada. as for the campaign itself, obama did an amazing job of sticking to a message. it was like watching Nada or oov at their peak. Never managed to pull off anything amazing, but there weren't any serious gaffes I can recall. Obama is almost another teflon man, no serious criticism seemed to ever stick. on another note: i hate getting emotional about politics. i refuse to show any sentiment regarding obama being elected. cold and heartless maybe, but i think decisions that affect the lives of millions of people should never be made on sentiment. I think the best thing about working for the campaign is we had people donating GREAT food all the fucking time. Definitely pays to be in a semi-big office. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:32 Sadist wrote: you could say that about people our age, but I play golf with a black golf league here in Lansing, and all of these guys are 50+, its them and their parents that went through the bullshit racism growing up, for them to see this happen is a very big deal. You need to try to understand their side of it. If you dont see it first hand though I guess its kind of hard to put it in perspective. didnt say they havent experienced racism and bigotry, i even said its still going to exist with obama as president. just that they havent endured slavery. the whole "our ancestors pain is still with us" thing is incredibly idiotic, as is holding the current generation of white people accountable for it. there is nothing more disgusting than the idea of reparations(and holding people accountable for something they didnt do and had no control over in general). talking solely about slavery though. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
i feel like i got gipped ok, the thing that sucked about working for obama tho was how dirt poor we were compared to some of the other campaigns i worked with. which i guess is partly what's amazing about it. we could sign up for a parade and have a hundred VOLUNTEERS show up, and not paid interns. which if you think about it is really quite amazing -- getting a hundred random people to spend a day walking in your candidate's name in the searing heat without anything to show for it except a bumper sticker. | ||
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ItchReliever
2489 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:00 IdrA wrote: they have not endured slavery, their ancestors did they did not accomplish anything to be proud of, obama did (barring those who directly, effectively helped him) and racism will definitely still exist. just because a black guy is president you think all the red necks and idiots will change their minds? Many minorities feel proud that Obama won, feel that they as a people have achieved something, because they identify themselves as part of a group that, although it resides in America, has always been treated as though and has always felt as if it were not a part of the American nation. Obama has changed my perception of what is possible in America and has transformed my pessimistic views to a full embrace of my American citizenship. "America today is a world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. There is no better evidence of this than the election of an African-American to the presidency of the United States. Let there be no reason now... Let there be no reason now for any American to fail to cherish their citizenship in this, the greatest nation on Earth." -- John McCain, in his concession speech. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
bad news they lied to you 1 vote does not really matter | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I was in Ann Arbor, the second hub in MI next to Detroit. We got a small office downtown (3-4 computers, 6 phones) with shitty internet, plumbing and wasn't air conditioned most of the time but we were constantly packed with volunteers by the end of the summer and we always had donations. We basically had one of those pro gamer snack piles + donated restaurant food and donated gourmet chocolate. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:50 ItchReliever wrote: Many minorities feel proud that Obama won, feel that they as a people have achieved something, because they identify themselves as part of a group that, although it resides in America, has always been treated as though and has always felt as if it were not a part of the American nation. being the same color as someone who accomplished something does not give you reason to be proud if you contributed nothing to their success. | ||
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ItchReliever
2489 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:55 IdrA wrote: being the same color as someone who accomplished something does not give you reason to be proud if you contributed nothing to their success. i'm not debating whether this identification makes sense or not. but by your logic then it's idiotic to be proud of your country, the achievements of your family, your father, your sister, your favorite soccer team winning, etc. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:44 Physician wrote: - no but it sends yet another clear message, that their anachronism is slowly but surely, and ever more frequently being pushed back to were it belongs... history certainly and it cant happen fast enough, but obama becoming president is not going to have a real, noticeable impact on the people he was referring to. not tomorrow and not in the next 8 years. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ItchReliever
2489 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:58 IdrA wrote: certainly and it cant happen fast enough, but obama becoming president is not going to have a real, noticeable impact on the people he was referring to. not tomorrow and not in the next 8 years. it may or it may not. Obama himself knows that it is a long and hard road, as he just said in his speech, but this is the opportunity for that to happen? | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On November 05 2008 13:21 Enrique wrote: I agree, but he could have been more forceful, he could have done better still if you ask me and he gave Palin too much credence.. if had chosen a guy like Romney he would have fared better when it came to handling economy debacle.. if he was that worried about the religious right choosing Huckabee would have been eons better than Palin..McCain is giving a very nice concession speech. He, thankfully, was very dismissive of the booing from the crowd. GG man, GG. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 05 2008 14:57 ItchReliever wrote: i'm not debating whether this identification makes sense or not. but by your logic then it's idiotic to be proud of your country, the achievements of your family, your father, your sister, your favorite soccer team winning, etc. yes it is, why would you be proud of something you had nothing to do with? of course you can be happy about it, but if you had no part in something happening why would you be proud of it? its not like you accomplished or achieved anything by someone else being successful, whats to be proud of? | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
Obama had a great speech though. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 05 2008 15:00 ItchReliever wrote: it may or it may not. Obama himself knows that it is a long and hard road, as he just said in his speech, but this is the opportunity for that to happen? because the people who still make racism a part of the real world are not going to change. the people who personally hate minorities but hide their racism because they know its not acceptable in the modern world, i could see him having an impact on them. changing the way they think about the world and other people. but the people who are openly, blatantly racist? the ones who actual cause problems for minorities, do you think theyre going to change? read some of the white supremacist pages, look for news articles about racism in the deep south. they are far beyond the realm of rationality and reason. no amount of inspiring speeches and competent, even excellent, leadership is gonna change their minds. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32084 Posts
On November 05 2008 15:03 IdrA wrote: yes it is, why would you be proud of something you had nothing to do with? of course you can be happy about it, but if you had no part in something happening why would you be proud of it? its not like you accomplished or achieved anything by someone else being successful, whats to be proud of? we're proud that our country is finally at the point where we can elect a man of color-someone who still would have had to go to seperate school or drink from a special fountain half a century ago. unless youre an ass backwards bigot, then you absolutely should be proud that our country has reached the point where, on the whole, we can look past color and put a man in the highest postion in the land. you dont have to vote for him to be proud of that. how the fuck can't you grasp that | ||
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