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On August 01 2012 03:08 neurosx wrote:
Well it might hurt you but a person will definetely win, even if he catches your arm or something just kick it in the balls and problem solved
A good trained dog will ancle your arm (+ it will bite with full power if it´s the first attack say bye bye to your arm) to your back so he is one the side of you or even in your back to have minimal hit radius. Good luck. I see there are actually no people who knows about this topic. So i´m out.
If you want to know how to fight vs a dog search for Russian combat vol1 chapter 4.
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On August 01 2012 03:14 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:49 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:46 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:29 Hermasaurus wrote:On August 01 2012 02:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:15 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:04 Lysanias wrote:
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lol @ can't read the question properly. We are comparing averages here, not fully trained attack dogs.
Also a sheep ... ? right ... Avarge human man of 75-80 kg vs a 30-40 kg running ball of meat, claws and teeth... right... Also a sheep ... ? right ... Right. Period. On August 01 2012 02:11 sc14s wrote:
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reading comprehension, dost thou have it? Me have dis you mean dis y know o? "You and a German Sheppard are put into a regular sized room and you must fight until one of you dies. The dog will immediately attack you (once released) and it will be set on killing you. You have no weapons, and are wearing no protective clothing, just regular street clothes. You can't use anything that isn't part of you as a weapon. Given this situation, who do you think would win the fight?" Average human male vs average dog. Human wins probably around 95% of the time. Humans have higher intelligence and would evaluate how to fight the dog. Like keeping distance with kicks, letting the dog bite your arm and going for the choke etc. The way dogs attack are very one dimensional and easy to read, dogs are not meant to fight/hunt 1 on 1 they are pack animals and have evolved around that basis. They are most effective at killing in groups, one distracts while others circle and jump in from different angles. When attacking from just one angle they are not nearly as efficient. Human vs Highly trained breed to kill giant dog beast... well the dog probably wins that one pretty ez. Your average Human doesn't "evaluate" how to fight. If you've ever see 2 average, untrained male or females fight it's usually two people swinging uncontrollably. Now I know among the tl community there are anomalies. Like I'm sure most this community is 3rd degree black belt or better. Your average human should be able to(While the dog is still leashed) evaluate the situation and adjust, if we couldn't do that we wouldn't have survived and evolved. Even without evaluating how to the fight, the human should still be able to figure out easily how to survive. If it lunges at me natural instinct kick it etc. Ya try to kick it. Better have reflex like Bruce Lee Bro. Lol your joking right? It's pretty easy to spot and react when the dog is coming even within 2-3 feet of you... You do realize the dogs face doesn't have much of a reach right? Humans legs are long, a dogs face is short. tons of time to react. Oh so you actually fight with a dog? No, but i've owned many dogs I've seen how fast they can jump and attack. Unless you've had multiple German Shepard's, I don't see how that is relevant.
2 German Shepard's a Bull mastiff and a Boxer :D
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On August 01 2012 01:58 Nachtwind wrote:
lol @ all that vote for humans that would win with bear hands
battle trained Schäferhunde will went immenditly to the throat no matter how long they need no matter how many pounds you have how much you can fight you will lose no matter what. Also the jaw power (newton) is more then any other dog race.
I was raised with them because my family breed them. And i saw how a sheppard hunted down a sheep. So pls don´t tell me bullshit.
Wtf of course a humans gonna win with bear hands. I would just swipe the dog with my bear claws.
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On August 01 2012 03:14 Nachtwind wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:08 neurosx wrote:
Well it might hurt you but a person will definetely win, even if he catches your arm or something just kick it in the balls and problem solved A good trained dog will ancle your arm (+ it will bite with full power if it´s the first attack say bye bye to your arm) to your back so he is one the side of you or even in your back to have minimal hit radius. Good luck. I see there are actually no people who knows about this topic. So i´m out. If you want to know how to fight vs a dog search for Russian combat vol1 chapter 4.
this isnt trained dog vs average man, it is -dog- vs -man-
And in a scenario of trained dog vs TRAINED man, i would still bet on the man
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On August 01 2012 03:18 xxjondxx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 01:58 Nachtwind wrote:
lol @ all that vote for humans that would win with bear hands
battle trained Schäferhunde will went immenditly to the throat no matter how long they need no matter how many pounds you have how much you can fight you will lose no matter what. Also the jaw power (newton) is more then any other dog race.
I was raised with them because my family breed them. And i saw how a sheppard hunted down a sheep. So pls don´t tell me bullshit. Wtf of course a humans gonna win with bear hands. I would just swipe the dog with my bear claws.
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This thread is pretty epic.
As someone who's owned and trained German shepherds I'd have to say that unless the dog was a prime 150lb. specimen of a King shepherd trained to kill, your body weight alone should be enough to beat the dog. Most shepherds are pretty small (70lb.) and in general, dogs are really vulnerable to forces inflicted on their spine and rib-cage. An adult falling on a dog could break its spine, if they put some elbow or knee into the fall. An adult stomping or kicking a dog would be able to inflict serious, potentially life-threatening damage to its axial skeleton. I just don't seriously think the dog in the OP is sufficiently terrifying enough to kill me in an arena, especially since I walk around in steel-toes all the time. We need a dog that isn't at a weight disadvantage. Bull Mastiff, anyone?
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On August 01 2012 03:24 dUTtrOACh wrote:
This thread is pretty epic.
As someone who's owned and trained German shepherds I'd have to say that unless the dog was a prime 150lb. specimen of a King shepherd trained to kill, your body weight alone should be enough to beat the dog. Most shepherds are pretty small (70lb.) and in general, dogs are really vulnerable to forces inflicted on their spine and rib-cage. An adult falling on a dog could break its spine, if they put some elbow or knee into the fall. An adult stomping or kicking a dog would be able to inflict serious, potentially life-threatening damage to its axial skeleton. I just don't seriously think the dog in the OP is sufficiently terrifying enough to kill me in an arena, especially since I walk around in steel-toes all the time. We need a dog that isn't at a weight disadvantage. Bull Mastiff, anyone?
I was about to post something like this. I've heard that an efficient way to kill a dog is to grab it by its neck (made easier with a collar), lift it up and hit its back with everything you've got. should break the spine, apparently.
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On August 01 2012 03:24 dUTtrOACh wrote:
This thread is pretty epic.
As someone who's owned and trained German shepherds I'd have to say that unless the dog was a prime 150lb. specimen of a King shepherd trained to kill, your body weight alone should be enough to beat the dog. Most shepherds are pretty small (70lb.) and in general, dogs are really vulnerable to forces inflicted on their spine and rib-cage. An adult falling on a dog could break its spine, if they put some elbow or knee into the fall. An adult stomping or kicking a dog would be able to inflict serious, potentially life-threatening damage to its axial skeleton. I just don't seriously think the dog in the OP is sufficiently terrifying enough to kill me in an arena, especially since I walk around in steel-toes all the time. We need a dog that isn't at a weight disadvantage. Bull Mastiff, anyone?
WOLF! Although thats a pretty easy question 
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On August 01 2012 03:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:14 GreEny K wrote:On August 01 2012 02:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:49 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:46 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:29 Hermasaurus wrote:On August 01 2012 02:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:15 Nachtwind wrote:
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Avarge human man of 75-80 kg vs a 30-40 kg running ball of meat, claws and teeth... right...
Also a sheep ... ? right ...
Right. Period.
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Me have dis you mean dis y know o?
"You and a German Sheppard are put into a regular sized room and you must fight until one of you dies. The dog will immediately attack you (once released) and it will be set on killing you. You have no weapons, and are wearing no protective clothing, just regular street clothes. You can't use anything that isn't part of you as a weapon. Given this situation, who do you think would win the fight?" Average human male vs average dog. Human wins probably around 95% of the time. Humans have higher intelligence and would evaluate how to fight the dog. Like keeping distance with kicks, letting the dog bite your arm and going for the choke etc. The way dogs attack are very one dimensional and easy to read, dogs are not meant to fight/hunt 1 on 1 they are pack animals and have evolved around that basis. They are most effective at killing in groups, one distracts while others circle and jump in from different angles. When attacking from just one angle they are not nearly as efficient. Human vs Highly trained breed to kill giant dog beast... well the dog probably wins that one pretty ez. Your average Human doesn't "evaluate" how to fight. If you've ever see 2 average, untrained male or females fight it's usually two people swinging uncontrollably. Now I know among the tl community there are anomalies. Like I'm sure most this community is 3rd degree black belt or better. Your average human should be able to(While the dog is still leashed) evaluate the situation and adjust, if we couldn't do that we wouldn't have survived and evolved. Even without evaluating how to the fight, the human should still be able to figure out easily how to survive. If it lunges at me natural instinct kick it etc. Ya try to kick it. Better have reflex like Bruce Lee Bro. Lol your joking right? It's pretty easy to spot and react when the dog is coming even within 2-3 feet of you... You do realize the dogs face doesn't have much of a reach right? Humans legs are long, a dogs face is short. tons of time to react. Oh so you actually fight with a dog? No, but i've owned many dogs I've seen how fast they can jump and attack. Unless you've had multiple German Shepard's, I don't see how that is relevant. 2 German Shepard's a Bull mastiff and a Boxer :D
Nice! Boxers are one of my favorites, along with GS's.
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On August 01 2012 03:28 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:24 dUTtrOACh wrote:
This thread is pretty epic.
As someone who's owned and trained German shepherds I'd have to say that unless the dog was a prime 150lb. specimen of a King shepherd trained to kill, your body weight alone should be enough to beat the dog. Most shepherds are pretty small (70lb.) and in general, dogs are really vulnerable to forces inflicted on their spine and rib-cage. An adult falling on a dog could break its spine, if they put some elbow or knee into the fall. An adult stomping or kicking a dog would be able to inflict serious, potentially life-threatening damage to its axial skeleton. I just don't seriously think the dog in the OP is sufficiently terrifying enough to kill me in an arena, especially since I walk around in steel-toes all the time. We need a dog that isn't at a weight disadvantage. Bull Mastiff, anyone? WOLF! Although thats a pretty easy question
A Rottweiler might be an interesting opponent.
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On August 01 2012 03:31 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 03:14 GreEny K wrote:On August 01 2012 02:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:49 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:46 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:29 Hermasaurus wrote:On August 01 2012 02:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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Average human male vs average dog. Human wins probably around 95% of the time. Humans have higher intelligence and would evaluate how to fight the dog. Like keeping distance with kicks, letting the dog bite your arm and going for the choke etc. The way dogs attack are very one dimensional and easy to read, dogs are not meant to fight/hunt 1 on 1 they are pack animals and have evolved around that basis. They are most effective at killing in groups, one distracts while others circle and jump in from different angles. When attacking from just one angle they are not nearly as efficient.
Human vs Highly trained breed to kill giant dog beast... well the dog probably wins that one pretty ez.
Your average Human doesn't "evaluate" how to fight. If you've ever see 2 average, untrained male or females fight it's usually two people swinging uncontrollably. Now I know among the tl community there are anomalies. Like I'm sure most this community is 3rd degree black belt or better. Your average human should be able to(While the dog is still leashed) evaluate the situation and adjust, if we couldn't do that we wouldn't have survived and evolved. Even without evaluating how to the fight, the human should still be able to figure out easily how to survive. If it lunges at me natural instinct kick it etc. Ya try to kick it. Better have reflex like Bruce Lee Bro. Lol your joking right? It's pretty easy to spot and react when the dog is coming even within 2-3 feet of you... You do realize the dogs face doesn't have much of a reach right? Humans legs are long, a dogs face is short. tons of time to react. Oh so you actually fight with a dog? No, but i've owned many dogs I've seen how fast they can jump and attack. Unless you've had multiple German Shepard's, I don't see how that is relevant. 2 German Shepard's a Bull mastiff and a Boxer :D Nice! Boxers are one of my favorites, along with GS's.
My Bull Mastiff was probably my favourite though I fucking love/d all my dogs <3
Still want to own a Husky though. Maybe one day I'll be able to afford one of those bad ass Husky/Wolf cross!
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On August 01 2012 03:24 dUTtrOACh wrote:
This thread is pretty epic.
As someone who's owned and trained German shepherds I'd have to say that unless the dog was a prime 150lb. specimen of a King shepherd trained to kill, your body weight alone should be enough to beat the dog. Most shepherds are pretty small (70lb.) and in general, dogs are really vulnerable to forces inflicted on their spine and rib-cage. An adult falling on a dog could break its spine, if they put some elbow or knee into the fall. An adult stomping or kicking a dog would be able to inflict serious, potentially life-threatening damage to its axial skeleton. I just don't seriously think the dog in the OP is sufficiently terrifying enough to kill me in an arena, especially since I walk around in steel-toes all the time. We need a dog that isn't at a weight disadvantage. Bull Mastiff, anyone?
Now a full grown Bull Mastiff... I'd probably be afraid of.
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On August 01 2012 03:31 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:28 Mogget wrote:On August 01 2012 03:24 dUTtrOACh wrote:
This thread is pretty epic.
As someone who's owned and trained German shepherds I'd have to say that unless the dog was a prime 150lb. specimen of a King shepherd trained to kill, your body weight alone should be enough to beat the dog. Most shepherds are pretty small (70lb.) and in general, dogs are really vulnerable to forces inflicted on their spine and rib-cage. An adult falling on a dog could break its spine, if they put some elbow or knee into the fall. An adult stomping or kicking a dog would be able to inflict serious, potentially life-threatening damage to its axial skeleton. I just don't seriously think the dog in the OP is sufficiently terrifying enough to kill me in an arena, especially since I walk around in steel-toes all the time. We need a dog that isn't at a weight disadvantage. Bull Mastiff, anyone? WOLF! Although thats a pretty easy question A Rottweiler might be an interesting opponent.
You need a dog that's not afraid of getting pain, Dogo Argentino sounds more like it. Or the Bull Mastiff you mentioned.
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I like how this thread is back. I have been thinking on it recently, and I am more and more convinced that if it weren't the sense of mortality we all have, many of us can kill a dog. I, for example, broke 3 ribs of a person during training just by making a 'bear hug' around him. I am sure that if my adrenaline is pumping, I can snap the neck of a feral dog, even if it bites off a finger of two.
The thing is, in such a fight, the dog will probably be less afraid of me than I am of it, and with far less thought of the consequences. If somebody drugged the person with..a stim pack..for example, I think most of the male population can defeat a dog if the dog doesn't find a way to their neck.
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While it certainly wouldn't be too easy, I think a human's weight is going to really give the dog a hard time, unless said dog was well-trained to kill. It's just not used to overcoming its disadvantages in fighting.
A wolf, on the other hand, would be much, much harder to kill. They're bigger, more wild, and they'll fight to the death using every dirty trick in the book. It's much more psychologically prepared to kill a person than a German shepard, even a trained and desperate one.
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On August 01 2012 04:11 sieksdekciw wrote:
I like how this thread is back. I have been thinking on it recently, and I am more and more convinced that if it weren't the sense of mortality we all have, many of us can kill a dog. I, for example, broke 3 ribs of a person during training just by making a 'bear hug' around him. I am sure that if my adrenaline is pumping, I can snap the neck of a feral dog, even if it bites off a finger of two.
The thing is, in such a fight, the dog will probably be less afraid of me than I am of it, and with far less thought of the consequences. If somebody drugged the person with..a stim pack..for example, I think most of the male population can defeat a dog if the dog doesn't find a way to their neck.
Stimmed marines OP.
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Depends on where the dog bites you and how you can handle the pain from the bite (assuming it bites you in the arm or the leg cuz german sheppards bite reaaaaally hard)
you could just lift the dog and slam it into the floor and then stick your thumbs into its eyes and then choke it to death. Say the dog weights somewhere around 40-50 kg (90-110lbs) Also kicking it in the nose while it attacks you will probably stun it.
Is it a trained attack dog or a normal un-trained sheppard? Cuz an un-trained one will probably try and flee if you kick it straight in the nose.
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On August 01 2012 02:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:29 Hermasaurus wrote:On August 01 2012 02:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On August 01 2012 02:15 Nachtwind wrote:On August 01 2012 02:04 Lysanias wrote:On August 01 2012 01:58 Nachtwind wrote:
lol @ all that vote for humans that would win with bear hands
battle trained Schäferhunde will went immenditly to the throat no matter how long they need no matter how many pounds you have how much you can fight you will lose no matter what. Also the jaw power (newton) is more then any other dog race.
I was raised with them because my family breed them. And i saw how a sheppard hunted down a sheep. So pls don´t tell me bullshit. lol @ can't read the question properly. We are comparing averages here, not fully trained attack dogs. Also a sheep ... ? right ... Avarge human man of 75-80 kg vs a 30-40 kg running ball of meat, claws and teeth... right... Also a sheep ... ? right ... Right. Period. On August 01 2012 02:11 sc14s wrote:On August 01 2012 01:58 Nachtwind wrote:
lol @ all that vote for humans that would win with bear hands
battle trained Schäferhunde will went immenditly to the throat no matter how long they need no matter how many pounds you have how much you can fight you will lose no matter what. Also the jaw power (newton) is more then any other dog race.
I was raised with them because my family breed them. And i saw how a sheppard hunted down a sheep. So pls don´t tell me bullshit. reading comprehension, dost thou have it? Me have dis you mean dis y know o? "You and a German Sheppard are put into a regular sized room and you must fight until one of you dies. The dog will immediately attack you (once released) and it will be set on killing you. You have no weapons, and are wearing no protective clothing, just regular street clothes. You can't use anything that isn't part of you as a weapon. Given this situation, who do you think would win the fight?" Average human male vs average dog. Human wins probably around 95% of the time. Humans have higher intelligence and would evaluate how to fight the dog. Like keeping distance with kicks, letting the dog bite your arm and going for the choke etc. The way dogs attack are very one dimensional and easy to read, dogs are not meant to fight/hunt 1 on 1 they are pack animals and have evolved around that basis. They are most effective at killing in groups, one distracts while others circle and jump in from different angles. When attacking from just one angle they are not nearly as efficient. Human vs Highly trained breed to kill giant dog beast... well the dog probably wins that one pretty ez. Your average Human doesn't "evaluate" how to fight. If you've ever see 2 average, untrained male or females fight it's usually two people swinging uncontrollably. Now I know among the tl community there are anomalies. Like I'm sure most this community is 3rd degree black belt or better. Your average human should be able to(While the dog is still leashed) evaluate the situation and adjust, if we couldn't do that we wouldn't have survived and evolved. Even without evaluating how to the fight, the human should still be able to figure out easily how to survive. If it lunges at me natural instinct kick it etc.
False, we survived and evolved because there is synergy among humans that eccentuates intellect, stength, agility, etc. Evolution of Ideas. Strength in numbers.
If we took every male adult in this world and put him up against a ruthless pitbull or doberman the dog would win more often than not. However (This is where I really go in on ya.) if we take ALL of the Humans and ALL of the Dogs in this world the humans would bide enough time to develop weapons strong enough to enslave the vicious beasts.
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Don't think you can kick it, but I don't see how it would EVER get your throat. Instinct makes you use forearm to protect yourself and the dog with latch on. After that it's simply a case of using weight to kill it or go for eyes/nose/ears which are VERY sensitive.
And yes, I've been attack by german shepherd when I was 14. Took about 30 seconds for someone to come take the dog off me. I was not on the ground and only my right arm was hurt. Now, at 27, I would kill that dog in less than 15 seconds. If you honestly think you'll lose your life to a 30-35kg dog, then you've never been in a do-or-die situation, so you'll understand what adrenaline does to a person.
But sure, I like dogs too, so let's lie to ourselves and imagine the guy would just wail in pain until death. Please. Mothers have lifted cars off their kids. CARS!
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An Argentinean dog is strong enough to kill a full grown puma, and you think a human stands a chance?, German Sheepards are used for their speed and agility, but they're not a dog "fighting" breed. the Argentinean mastiff on the other hand, as well as other mastiffs, will fuck you up. the pure preassure of the dog bite will not only tear, but break whatever leg its biting, if you think you will gauge its eyes out then think again, the dog will be shaking its head with full force side to side and i would love to see a human try to even get a grip of a dog doing that.
I myself own a Neopolitan Mastiff, there is a reason why you're not even advised to defense train those dogs, they already have it in their blood. If you teach them to fuck people up, the worst things could happen.
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