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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
April 19 2022 16:41 GMT
#1941
On April 20 2022 01:34 Sent. wrote:
Same source

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/


Okay, thank you! Then it really is a time frame thing.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 19 2022 17:00 GMT
#1942
Putin has signed a decree to remove all Russian stocks from overseas exchanges.

In a blow to Russia's richest business people, President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on April 16 that requires Russian companies to remove their listings from overseas stock exchanges.

The likes of Vladimir Potanin — Russia's richest man — will now have to adjust the ownership structure of their businesses, Bloomberg reported.

That means Russian billionaires who own the companies listed abroad won't be able to collect foreign-currency dividends from the depository receipts.

Trading of depositary receipts on foreign exchanges also must cease within days, though the New York Stock Exchange, Nasdaq, London Stock Exchange and other top international bourses had already frozen Russian stocks after Putin launched his war on Ukraine in February.

In addition, the decree that Putin signed means foreign holders of the canceled receipts must receive normal shares placed in non-resident accounts in Russia.

The ban on overseas listings is the latest blow to Russian billionaires, who have already been targeted by Western sanctions as well as Moscow's own capital controls that restrict the ability to move money abroad.

"The rights of shareholders who believe in Russia and have invested in the Russian market for many years and who cannot hold Russian shares directly, are being hurt," a tycoon told Russian news outlet Kommersant this month. "They have nothing to do with politics, and there is a risk that their property rights will simply be lost."


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 20 2022 13:32 GMT
#1943
Another weekly warning to Sweden and Finland to not join NATO.

Moscow [Russia], April 20 (ANI/Sputnik): Russia has warned Sweden and Finland about consequences of joining NATO via bilateral diplomatic channels, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Wednesday.

"We have issued all our warnings both publicly and through bilateral channels. They [Sweden and Finland] know about it, they will have nothing to be surprised about, they were informed about everything, what will it lead to," Zakharova told the Rossiya 24 broadcaster. (ANI/Sputnik)


Source

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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 20 2022 19:21 GMT
#1944
New thread by Michael Weiss citing Holger Roonemäe and "Karl", the unnamed Estonian intelligence operative who's been providing an insider's view into the war.

Takeaway: Russia has started the offensive on Donbas, but it's undermanned, and even with more "dumb weapons", it's matched by roughly equivalent manpower and more precise weapons. Currently, the situation looks like a stalemate until RU runs out of resources in 1.5 weeks, then a UA counteroffensive might begin.

There's plenty more info in the full thread:

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-20 21:13:29
April 20 2022 20:42 GMT
#1945
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands4000 Posts
April 21 2022 03:17 GMT
#1946
This might just be a sign that the measures have some effect. Hard to say how it influences Putler, but at least someone is speaking up:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/russian-tycoon-oleg-tinkov-denounces-insane-war-in-ukraine

Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
April 21 2022 03:52 GMT
#1947
As far as I can understand, the following video is authentic. A Ukrainian is interrogating a Russian POW on camera, who details the invasion from his point of view from Russia to Chernobyl/Bucha where he was captured. At the end he has a phone call with his mother who's living in Russia.

If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2344 Posts
April 21 2022 05:57 GMT
#1948
On April 20 2022 22:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Moscow [Russia], April 20 (ANI/Sputnik): Russia has warned Sweden and Finland about consequences of joining NATO via bilateral diplomatic channels, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Wednesday.

"We have issued all our warnings both publicly and through bilateral channels. They [Sweden and Finland] know about it, they will have nothing to be surprised about, they were informed about everything, what will it lead to," Zakharova told the Rossiya 24 broadcaster. (ANI/Sputnik)



AHA! A CHALENGE!
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8880 Posts
April 21 2022 08:31 GMT
#1949
On April 21 2022 12:52 Magic Powers wrote:
As far as I can understand, the following video is authentic. A Ukrainian is interrogating a Russian POW on camera, who details the invasion from his point of view from Russia to Chernobyl/Bucha where he was captured. At the end he has a phone call with his mother who's living in Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btyxRhObark

man that phone call with his mother is depressing to hear. i must say i hoped for something different but am not surprised with what i saw
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-21 08:48:14
April 21 2022 08:37 GMT
#1950
A fresh survey shows Swedish popular support for joining NATO at 51%. Importantly, if Finland joins, support in the same survey jumps to 64%. This is good news because...

Helsinkin Sanomat (Finnish newspaper) reports that 112 Finnish members of parliament have declared themselves in support of NATO membership. This is a clear majority (the house consists of 200 members), and it only takes a parliamentary simple majority vote.

[image loading]

Edit:
P.S. As I probably have a bit of a German-basher's reputation here by now, here's some positivity. German crowdfunding is still going strong. The state of Hesse just sent Ukrainians thermal imagers, commercial drones, tactical glasses, camo, etc. Source.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7238 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-21 09:16:12
April 21 2022 09:12 GMT
#1951
On April 21 2022 17:37 Ghanburighan wrote:
A fresh survey shows Swedish popular support for joining NATO at 51%. Importantly, if Finland joins, support in the same survey jumps to 64%. This is good news because...

Helsinkin Sanomat (Finnish newspaper) reports that 112 Finnish members of parliament have declared themselves in support of NATO membership. This is a clear majority (the house consists of 200 members), and it only takes a parliamentary simple majority vote.

[image loading]

Edit:
P.S. As I probably have a bit of a German-basher's reputation here by now, here's some positivity. German crowdfunding is still going strong. The state of Hesse just sent Ukrainians thermal imagers, commercial drones, tactical glasses, camo, etc. Source.


51% seems a bit low. What are the arguments against joining? Any Swede here got some inside knowledge? Is it mainly the "we don't want to be puppets of the US" kinda thing?

EDIT: Google says "Ei osaa sanoa" -> I don't know and "Ei tiedossa" -> abstention. Is this correct?
I imagine most "I don't know"s would swing in favor of the majority
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 21 2022 09:19 GMT
#1952
On April 21 2022 18:12 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2022 17:37 Ghanburighan wrote:
A fresh survey shows Swedish popular support for joining NATO at 51%. Importantly, if Finland joins, support in the same survey jumps to 64%. This is good news because...

Helsinkin Sanomat (Finnish newspaper) reports that 112 Finnish members of parliament have declared themselves in support of NATO membership. This is a clear majority (the house consists of 200 members), and it only takes a parliamentary simple majority vote.

[image loading]

Edit:
P.S. As I probably have a bit of a German-basher's reputation here by now, here's some positivity. German crowdfunding is still going strong. The state of Hesse just sent Ukrainians thermal imagers, commercial drones, tactical glasses, camo, etc. Source.


51% seems a bit low. What are the arguments against joining? Any Swede here got some inside knowledge? Is it mainly the "we don't want to be puppets of the US" kinda thing?

EDIT: Google says "Ei osaa sanoa" -> I don't know and "Ei tiedossa" -> abstention. Is this correct?
I imagine most "I don't know"s would swing in favor of the majority


It's not abstention, it's just that the newspaper hasn't received a response yet. While the "ei osaa sanoa"/"I don't know" means that they provided a response "I don't know (yet)". Looks like they will continue to update the table as responses come in.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
April 21 2022 10:30 GMT
#1953
On April 21 2022 18:12 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2022 17:37 Ghanburighan wrote:
A fresh survey shows Swedish popular support for joining NATO at 51%. Importantly, if Finland joins, support in the same survey jumps to 64%. This is good news because...

Helsinkin Sanomat (Finnish newspaper) reports that 112 Finnish members of parliament have declared themselves in support of NATO membership. This is a clear majority (the house consists of 200 members), and it only takes a parliamentary simple majority vote.

[image loading]

Edit:
P.S. As I probably have a bit of a German-basher's reputation here by now, here's some positivity. German crowdfunding is still going strong. The state of Hesse just sent Ukrainians thermal imagers, commercial drones, tactical glasses, camo, etc. Source.


51% seems a bit low. What are the arguments against joining? Any Swede here got some inside knowledge? Is it mainly the "we don't want to be puppets of the US" kinda thing?

EDIT: Google says "Ei osaa sanoa" -> I don't know and "Ei tiedossa" -> abstention. Is this correct?
I imagine most "I don't know"s would swing in favor of the majority


Not a Swede but i think it is mostly innertia. Beeing neutral has worked for them since ww2. Changing this position might be perceived as beeing a route with an uncertain outcome. And specially in uncertain times people might be more inclined wanting to stick with the status quo which has "worked" for decades.
Sweden probably doesnt see Russia as a huge thread,as in the way that they fear a Russian invasion. Which makes joining Nato a less trivial decission then it is for some other nations.

51% is low. I dont think Sweden will make such an important decission unless there is a very clear majority. And i doubt support will rise much higher.

Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8100 Posts
April 21 2022 12:16 GMT
#1954
I lived in Sweden a while.

I think it’s s two fold opposition: Sweden has many left wing folks who just are strongly antimilitaristic and against a perceived US imperialism. They would totally be on board the idea that Nato is a bunch a sabre rattlers that are making things worse and that a military alliance contains the word military and you know, violence doesn’t solve anything.

They also have a strong far right that likeveverywhere in Europe, has kind of a secret hard-on for Putin, his illiberalism and his authoritarian and nationalistic style.

Also, Finland has suffeted immensely from Russia, and is its direct neighbour. The idea of actually needing protection is not outlandish for the Finns, while it will be a cold day (haha) in hell before Sweden gets invaded by Russia.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 21 2022 13:21 GMT
#1955
On April 21 2022 21:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I lived in Sweden a while.

I think it’s s two fold opposition: Sweden has many left wing folks who just are strongly antimilitaristic and against a perceived US imperialism. They would totally be on board the idea that Nato is a bunch a sabre rattlers that are making things worse and that a military alliance contains the word military and you know, violence doesn’t solve anything.

They also have a strong far right that likeveverywhere in Europe, has kind of a secret hard-on for Putin, his illiberalism and his authoritarian and nationalistic style.

Also, Finland has suffeted immensely from Russia, and is its direct neighbour. The idea of actually needing protection is not outlandish for the Finns, while it will be a cold day (haha) in hell before Sweden gets invaded by Russia.


Sinners in Gotland buying toppluvas as we speak.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 21 2022 14:16 GMT
#1956
The US to ban all Russian and affiliated ships from US ports.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 21 2022 14:59 GMT
#1957
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 21 2022 15:32 GMT
#1958
US sends 72 howitzers this time. And drones similar to switchblade specially developed to match UA needs.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2818 Posts
April 21 2022 16:14 GMT
#1959
On April 21 2022 19:30 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2022 18:12 Harris1st wrote:
On April 21 2022 17:37 Ghanburighan wrote:
A fresh survey shows Swedish popular support for joining NATO at 51%. Importantly, if Finland joins, support in the same survey jumps to 64%. This is good news because...

Helsinkin Sanomat (Finnish newspaper) reports that 112 Finnish members of parliament have declared themselves in support of NATO membership. This is a clear majority (the house consists of 200 members), and it only takes a parliamentary simple majority vote.

[image loading]

Edit:
P.S. As I probably have a bit of a German-basher's reputation here by now, here's some positivity. German crowdfunding is still going strong. The state of Hesse just sent Ukrainians thermal imagers, commercial drones, tactical glasses, camo, etc. Source.


51% seems a bit low. What are the arguments against joining? Any Swede here got some inside knowledge? Is it mainly the "we don't want to be puppets of the US" kinda thing?

EDIT: Google says "Ei osaa sanoa" -> I don't know and "Ei tiedossa" -> abstention. Is this correct?
I imagine most "I don't know"s would swing in favor of the majority


Not a Swede but i think it is mostly innertia. Beeing neutral has worked for them since ww2. Changing this position might be perceived as beeing a route with an uncertain outcome. And specially in uncertain times people might be more inclined wanting to stick with the status quo which has "worked" for decades.
Sweden probably doesnt see Russia as a huge thread,as in the way that they fear a Russian invasion. Which makes joining Nato a less trivial decission then it is for some other nations.

51% is low. I dont think Sweden will make such an important decission unless there is a very clear majority. And i doubt support will rise much higher.



We have always tied Nato membership to Finland. If they join the opinion in Sweden will shift dramatically.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
April 21 2022 17:21 GMT
#1960
On April 22 2022 00:32 Ghanburighan wrote:
US sends 72 howitzers this time. And drones similar to switchblade specially developed to match UA needs.

https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1517162591302397952


The drones have pretty much zero information publicly available. I assume we'll get information in the next month as to what they actually are once videos from ukraine come out. My guess though, is a middle ground between the small and big switchblades. You need more boom than a hand grenade, but not a full on Javelin warhead, which is enough to disable lightly armoured vehicles like BMPs, or artillery.
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