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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 23 2022 03:11 GMT
#1981
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 23 2022 03:30 GMT
#1982
If this is accurate, someone had to have tipped off the Ukrainians to its location, right? I haven't seen other sources confirming this, but I hope it's true

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13935 Posts
April 23 2022 05:23 GMT
#1983
The ba-2 has a rapid mapping system and I wouldn't be shocked if some intelligence org has algorithms to find camouflaged command bunkers. Wouldn't be shocked if they just got a tipoff or intercept on it however.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
April 23 2022 10:51 GMT
#1984
More likely one them calling home on a cell phone to take orders from the wife on what to loot for the datcha.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
April 23 2022 11:18 GMT
#1985
I would guess, by now, they know better than that. More likely is: some civilian reported the location of command post to Ukrainian army. After all, Russians are operating on hostile terrain and civilians still have access to cell phones and internet here and there.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 23 2022 12:56 GMT
#1986
On April 23 2022 20:18 Silvanel wrote:
I would guess, by now, they know better than that. More likely is: some civilian reported the location of command post to Ukrainian army. After all, Russians are operating on hostile terrain and civilians still have access to cell phones and internet here and there.


There's also speculation that UK is helping UA with SIGINT.



...

In other news, Ukrainians and pretty much all allies are fed up with Germany. A diplomatic row is looming on a grand scale. In the tweet, a German in Washington keeps hearing questions about whether Germans know how much they're damaging their own reputation.



Follow this thread of UA aid workers on how they need to find schemes to bypass Germany to get shipments from other countries to UA:

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
April 23 2022 13:55 GMT
#1987
On April 23 2022 21:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2022 20:18 Silvanel wrote:
I would guess, by now, they know better than that. More likely is: some civilian reported the location of command post to Ukrainian army. After all, Russians are operating on hostile terrain and civilians still have access to cell phones and internet here and there.


There's also speculation that UK is helping UA with SIGINT.


NATO is definitely feeding intel to the UA. US AWACS have been flying near the Polish/Ukraine border non-stop from the day the conflict has begun and I'm certain US is also providing Ukraine with satellite data and other intel.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 23 2022 14:00 GMT
#1988
Interesting thread assessing the current phase of the war. Essentially, RU is running out of men and equipment and will lose offensive potential in less than a fortnight. What happens after that depends on what UA decides to do.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 23 2022 14:15 GMT
#1989
Now Romania has pledged to increase defense spending.

Romanian Prime Minister Nicolae Ciuca has pledged to strengthen his country's deterrence and defense posture on the eastern flank of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, saying the country stands on the "front line" of the war in Ukraine.

In a written interview with Kyodo News, Ciuca thanked Japan for a total of $200 million in emergency humanitarian aid for displaced people in Ukraine as well as Romania, Moldova, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic following "Russia's brutal, unjustified and unlawful invasion of Ukraine."

Ciuca hailed NATO's recent decision to deploy four new combat units in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Slovakia as part of efforts to bolster security on the eastern border of the trans-Atlantic alliance.

"We are an ally situated on the front line of this crisis," he said. "Romania is deeply concerned about the continuous Russian military aggression against Ukraine, with severe consequences for regional, European and international security."

Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent troops into Ukraine in what he calls a "special military operation" to demilitarize and "denazify" the country, a claim dismissed by the United States and other Western countries as a pretext for waging war.

After failing to take the capital Kyiv and other major Ukrainian cities, Russia has shifted its forces to a battle focused on southern and eastern parts of Ukraine, including the key port city of Mariupol.

Ciuca expressed hope that he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other NATO leaders will shape a "coherent, efficient and well-balanced" deterrence and defense posture on the eastern flank for the long term when they gather for a summit in Madrid in June.

He condemned Russian attacks on nuclear power facilities in Ukraine and Putin's earlier announcement that he was placing his nuclear forces into "special combat readiness."

"Russia must understand that threats to use nonconventional weapons will not yield any positive result," Ciuca said. "To the contrary, its international position will be further diminished, and the international community will continue to condemn such threats, no matter the disinformation spun by the Kremlin and the Russian state media."

"No propaganda can justify such threats or their materialization," he said.

Since Russia launched its invasion on Feb. 24, more than 640,000 Ukrainians, including many children, have entered Romania, and the government and local people have provided food, shelter and social services such as access to education, according to the prime minister.

"We have been monitoring the situation very carefully and have taken several measures to manage the massive inflow of people, in coordination with our neighbors and partners," he said. "We are facilitating the entry of all Ukrainian citizens that need protection."

Ciuca said most of the Ukrainians who entered Romania did not apply for asylum in the country because they were in transit to other European states where they have relatives.

"The numbers are fluctuating daily and it is difficult to estimate, at this point, how future inflows will look like," he said.


Source
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
April 23 2022 15:24 GMT
#1990
On April 23 2022 21:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2022 20:18 Silvanel wrote:
I would guess, by now, they know better than that. More likely is: some civilian reported the location of command post to Ukrainian army. After all, Russians are operating on hostile terrain and civilians still have access to cell phones and internet here and there.


There's also speculation that UK is helping UA with SIGINT.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1517690157142532096

...

In other news, Ukrainians and pretty much all allies are fed up with Germany. A diplomatic row is looming on a grand scale. In the tweet, a German in Washington keeps hearing questions about whether Germans know how much they're damaging their own reputation.

https://twitter.com/ulrichspeck/status/1517531407530274816

Follow this thread of UA aid workers on how they need to find schemes to bypass Germany to get shipments from other countries to UA:

https://twitter.com/krides/status/1517621458880634880

It's incredibly frustrating. Especially since Scholz and his party stand alone among the mainstream parties in this. Scholz really showing that he is just not up to the job .

This thread does a good job summarizing
https://twitter.com/HeleneBismarck/status/1517846781014458368?t=_N-7Jf8vwOUj0-J9he36qg&s=19

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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 23 2022 15:43 GMT
#1991
Ukrainian military is following up on destroying the Russian command post. Do y'all know of the potential ramifications to the Russians in the Kherson area?

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42695 Posts
April 23 2022 16:07 GMT
#1992
There is a lot of concern when Russia massacres the Ukrainian general population but where is that concern when Ukraine wipes out the Russian General population. Hypocrisy much?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-23 16:08:49
April 23 2022 16:07 GMT
#1993
Not sure how accurate this list is. Especially since the controversy of Germany not sending what they can.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11514 Posts
April 23 2022 16:27 GMT
#1994
On April 24 2022 01:07 KwarK wrote:
There is a lot of concern when Russia massacres the Ukrainian general population but where is that concern when Ukraine wipes out the Russian General population. Hypocrisy much?


...
That was horrible.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 23 2022 19:28 GMT
#1995
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 23 2022 19:40 GMT
#1996
On April 24 2022 00:24 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2022 21:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
On April 23 2022 20:18 Silvanel wrote:
I would guess, by now, they know better than that. More likely is: some civilian reported the location of command post to Ukrainian army. After all, Russians are operating on hostile terrain and civilians still have access to cell phones and internet here and there.


There's also speculation that UK is helping UA with SIGINT.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1517690157142532096

...

In other news, Ukrainians and pretty much all allies are fed up with Germany. A diplomatic row is looming on a grand scale. In the tweet, a German in Washington keeps hearing questions about whether Germans know how much they're damaging their own reputation.

https://twitter.com/ulrichspeck/status/1517531407530274816

Follow this thread of UA aid workers on how they need to find schemes to bypass Germany to get shipments from other countries to UA:

https://twitter.com/krides/status/1517621458880634880

It's incredibly frustrating. Especially since Scholz and his party stand alone among the mainstream parties in this. Scholz really showing that he is just not up to the job .

This thread does a good job summarizing
https://twitter.com/HeleneBismarck/status/1517846781014458368?t=_N-7Jf8vwOUj0-J9he36qg&s=19



Well, I don't suffer from low blood pressure anymore after reading that Spiegel interview.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 23 2022 19:48 GMT
#1997
EU planning new sanctions next week.

Brussels is drawing up plans for a sixth package of sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, with measures expected to be presented to European Union countries early next week, according to several diplomats.

The new package is set to include some form of ban on Russian oil imports, and may also target more Russian banks by expelling them from the SWIFT international payments system, four diplomats told POLITICO.

As the Ukraine war drags on, demands have been growing on EU leaders to cut off the Kremlin's vital revenue stream that comes from Russia's lucrative energy sector, particularly exports of oil and gas.

In its five previous packages, the EU has backed a ban on coal and removed a number of Russian banks from SWIFT in an effort to ratchet up economic pressure on Moscow. But as evidence emerges of atrocities reportedly committed by Russian forces in Ukraine, Western governments have stepped up military support for Kyiv and resolved to intensify sanctions against President Vladimir Putin and his regime.

Large Russian banks such as Gazprombank and Sberbank have so far been excluded from the sanctions, as they are involved in energy transactions. But European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen told German newspaper Bild on Sunday that the new sanctions will likely hit Sberbank, Russia's largest bank. One EU diplomat expected the Commission to target all Russian banks, including Gazprombank.

Some countries, such as the Baltics, are also pushing for more measures to tackle Russian disinformation operations in the sixth package. Brussels has previously banned Kremlin-backed media outlets RT and Sputnik. The more hawkish capitals have suggested several other Russian media outlets should be banned in the EU as well, while others worry such a measure could backfire against the West, as the move might be used for Russian propaganda goals.

On oil, it's unclear how quick and comprehensive a future phaseout of imports from Russia will be. With oil and gas revenue making up a critical source of funding for Russia's war machine, sanctions on energy are seen as a vital next step for the EU's response to the invasion.

But countries like Germany and Hungary, which rely on Russian energy imports, have been trying to water down the proposals.

Germany has warned of a recession if the EU immediately blocks Russian gas and oil. On Thursday, U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen also urged caution. “Europe clearly needs to reduce its dependence on Russia with respect to energy, but we need to be careful when we think about a complete European ban on, say, oil imports,” Yellen said during a press conference in Washington. She warned an immediate ban on oil by the EU "would have a damaging impact on Europe and other parts of the world."

An oil ban is likely to differentiate between various grades of Russian oil and their method of delivery — via shipping or pipelines. There is also discussion ongoing in Brussels about the need for potential transition periods to give EU countries time to prepare for any embargo on oil imports from Russia.

One EU diplomat said they expected the next sanctions package to be presented to EU countries as soon as Monday, after which EU ambassadors could discuss it during the week and potentially adopt it by Friday.

However, others were more cautious, arguing there has been no formal decision on timing from the European Commission just yet, even though they all expect some kind of initiative early in the week. "Next week is a reasonable time to get the proposals," one senior EU diplomat said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 24 2022 13:57 GMT
#1998
MoD update on the Donbas front.



April 24 (Reuters) - Ukraine has repelled numerous Russian assaults along the line of contact in Donbas this week, a British military update said on Sunday.

Despite Russia making some territorial gains, Ukrainian resistance has been strong across all axes and inflicted a significant cost on Russian forces, the UK Ministry of Defence tweeted in a regular bulletin.

"Poor Russian morale and limited time to reconstitute, re-equip and reorganise forces from prior offensives are likely hindering Russian combat effectiveness," the update added.

Reuters could not immediately verify the report.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 24 2022 14:57 GMT
#1999
Looks like we're in it for the long haul. Or probably a week or two considering how well the Ukrainians are fighting and how much weaponry they've been receiving lately.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
April 24 2022 15:37 GMT
#2000
The passage about Putin believing what he sees on Russian TV is very reminiscent of Donald Trump. Both are leaders heavily relying on a strong propaganda apparatus that start to believe their own deceptions in some weird feedback loop of lies.

At least i’m pretty sure Hitler knew Goebbel was lying.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
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