EPTTrump isn't above selling out UA military secrets - if only putin sends the model named "ivanka" for the next golden shower he receives in moscow.
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 781
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KT_Elwood
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Trump isn't above selling out UA military secrets - if only putin sends the model named "ivanka" for the next golden shower he receives in moscow. | ||
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ETisME
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https://www.weforum.org/stories/2016/02/is-europe-a-weak-global-player/ EU military weakness isn't anything new, it happened in Obama era 2006. The NATO joint action in 2011, had the US side saying the weakness of European army may lead to future US leaders rethinking if it's worth the investment, which is potentially what may happen. I think it's just too late. There's just too much pride and need for moral high ground even if it just needs to execute. And I don't see it has the economic power to actually scramble a decent army. Poland had to fight in court against EU just to stop migrant crisis for couple of years, and it's still facing EU threats this year. It's probably one of the only nations in EU that has been doing the right thing, growing its military strength (ranked amongst top 3 nations within NATO), defending border with decent economy. As for skepticism about US going up against China, yeah it's a lot of theories but I don't see it that way. EU don't always support US policies as well, look at it struggling to balance China and US, Israel and Palestine. The reason no one talks much about it and all the fearmonger, is because EU actions has less significance. The nuclear option (cut off SWIFT access) didn't hurt Russia enough to collapse the economy, it instead made Russia rely on China, and economic resilience in that region.Russia now has a large debt to answer to China, and strengthen their ties more than ever. To the US, China's threat is multitude larger than everything else. It's actually challenging the free world dominate position, and EU wouldn't be freed from it. Look at Eastern Europe turning to Russia and China. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23717 Posts
What is a ‘decent army’ and what do you want to do with it? The EU is struggling to throw a bunch of surplus hardware towards Ukraine, a conflict they’re reticent to directly involve themselves in for obvious reasons. Equally, Russia has been bogged down in Ukraine for 3 years, if we’re talking Russia actually encroaching on NATO/EU territory, how’s that look? That aside there seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding of how (many) Europeans think, what they value and want by and large. Ya gotta militarise and de-regulate to be competitive, ya gotta drop all this ‘green’ nonsense and whatnot. Close the auld borders to refugees while you’re at it. Many folks don’t want these things. It doesn’t mean we’re all peaceniks, or hate economic growth or anything, but there’s a broad appetite that it should be in service to other goals and not the end goal in and of itself. Europe/the EU does have big looming problems, obviously. But I think it’s going to take the form of more and more fragmentation across the bloc as nationalism takes more and more of a hold, and various nations insist on being useful idiots for Russia. If Europe wants to be an effective, somewhat moderating third player alongside the US and China moving forward, it needs to be more, not less cohesive. But I’m not sure that’s really the direction of travel. | ||
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