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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Yurie
12088 Posts
The point where this becomes very troublesome is if Ukraine gets in coastal range for the cheaper artillery, basically cutting Russia in two. Forcing all movement to go through boats or Crimea if they want to move between the North and South fronts. This is still far from happening and not guaranteed to happen at all, Ukraine gets very poor defensive positions and risk counter attacks by that kind of push as well. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
Mali, Niger and Burkina-Faso created a military alliance. https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/mali-niger-burkina-faso-sign-sahel-security-pact-2023-09-16/ All this while Surovikin visits Algeria with Russian MoD delegation https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97605 And another Deputy of the Minister of Defence, General-Colonel Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, visits Burkina-Faso https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97750 So it seems that Russian operations in Africa now fell in hands of regular military. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
On September 17 2023 20:54 zeo wrote: Please send the source that 99% of people and most Russians dont agree with me. 99% of a small buble echo chamber maybe, who knows. Or maybe you think Africans, South Americans, Asians and the population in Europe that dont agree with warmongering are not people. Everyone that isn't an "enlightened" European or North American is a crazy person. If you want to be taken seriously you have to endorse the overthrow of the Russian government, bare minimum. Even prominent liberals like Jeffery Sachs and John Mearshiemer get shit on by the Media and therefore segments of the population that still get "informed" by the mainstream media. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7202 Posts
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0x64
Finland4615 Posts
On September 18 2023 14:57 captainwaffles wrote: Everyone that isn't an "enlightened" European or North American is a crazy person. If you want to be taken seriously you have to endorse the overthrow of the Russian government, bare minimum. Even prominent liberals like Jeffery Sachs and John Mearshiemer get shit on by the Media and therefore segments of the population that still get "informed" by the mainstream media. You are correct, but also we do believe strongly on your communication that you are a crazy person. Giving advice how to be taken seriously makes it very funny for us. Sometimes people are not banned because they still manage to provide entertainment value, sadly you do so in a thread about war. Being crazy requires two factors. Acting crazy and a mechanism that enact the denial as such action are crazy. The ways of the human mind are mysterious. Anyway we are ready for your next lecture about how to become better citizen, how to think outside our bubble, how not to be such crazy persons, how to see the one truth that is hidden to the mass that only one mind in this whole universe has been able to comprehend. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
On September 18 2023 17:23 Harris1st wrote: I find it admirable that UA is still fighting a Gentlemens fight like a fencing duel while Russia just bruteforces everything they can. Imagine UA starting to lob some long range missiles into Russian mainlands power grid or main route bridges/ railways. They definitely have the means by now. It's also a question if and how much they would lose support by doing a tactical change like that. What do you guys think? I think it wouldn't be cost effective to use western long range missiles on Russian infrastructure. It only makes sense if you believe you can cripple most of your enemy's economy and keep it crippled for the rest of the war. Ukraine can't do that. It's a bit like spamming nukes in starcraft's late game. Those attacks aren't cost effective but can work if you can manage to stop your opponent from mining until they starve. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
On September 18 2023 06:45 JimmiC wrote: Russians in the government and military bloggers are complaining about the pervasive problem of lying all throughout the military and how the falsely good reports (that some of our posters believe like facts) are causing bad decisions all throughout the military. I find it interesting given that some of the more outspoken ultranationalist have been arrested. More arrests incoming? Change seems unlikely. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-pro-war-bloggers-blasting-173952552.html While the issue raised is indeed a persistent problem in Russian Armed Forces, Gurulev is not an unbiased source in this one. He was protege of a former Chief of Staff, Nikolay Makarov, who, in turn, was in team with former Defence Minister, Anatoliy Serdyukov. After Shoigu took over, Gurulev was placed from active service in a position of a talking head, which is why he has a beef with current MoD leadership. He was also infamous for selling the labour of his subordinate soldiers for profit. Meanwhile in Ukraine six Deputy Ministers in MoD were relieved of duty. https://breakingthenews.net/Article/Ukraine-fires-6-deputy-defense-ministers/60657767 | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
The case came to light as a result of information from the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), which investigates transactions and money flows related to money laundering and terrorist financing. https://nltimes.nl/2023/09/17/dutch-defense-ministry-employee-arrested-selling-airplane-parts-russia | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
One of the men says his nephew was drafted despite having a metal rod in his leg after surgery. This is apparently preferable to the Kremlin over sending a healthier individual from Moscow. I can't say if there's perhaps a bias with the selection of individuals willing to appear on camera. What I do notice is that mostly men are featured and very few women. Would've been good to have a bit more balance for different insight. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Yurie
12088 Posts
On September 18 2023 18:52 Sent. wrote: I think it wouldn't be cost effective to use western long range missiles on Russian infrastructure. It only makes sense if you believe you can cripple most of your enemy's economy and keep it crippled for the rest of the war. Ukraine can't do that. It's a bit like spamming nukes in starcraft's late game. Those attacks aren't cost effective but can work if you can manage to stop your opponent from mining until they starve. Also heard the same thing. Russia has more missiles and more infrastructure than Ukraine and hitting infrastructure in Ukraine had a small war impact. Thus having to serve more targets with less munition doesn't really make sense. Better to hit something else, like a submarine or airplane. | ||
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0x64
Finland4615 Posts
On September 19 2023 00:26 Yurie wrote: Also heard the same thing. Russia has more missiles and more infrastructure than Ukraine and hitting infrastructure in Ukraine had a small war impact. Thus having to serve more targets with less munition doesn't really make sense. Better to hit something else, like a submarine or airplane. Yes, and while Russia doesn't care about potential impact on Civilian and want to target infra to lower moral. Ukrainians are sane and don't feel like randomly targeting Russian civils. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
Terror attacks against Russians isn't going to accomplish anything. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
On September 19 2023 00:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Supposed photos of the Russian submarine that was hit while in dry dock in Sevastopol. If it can be repaired think it might take a while. I don't think you can repair submarines after major hull breaches. Constructions that are designed to work under pressure are typically composed of as few components as possible so you can't really just patch the holes as it would affect its structural integrity too much and introduce too many potential points of failure. Mind you, I'm no expert on that, just going by the simple principles of physics/engineering here. Subs do undergo periodic maintenance and overhauls but for such damage I think that you'd have to replace almost the entire hull? Not sure if it wouldn't be easier to just salvage what you can of the internals and build a new sub. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a34837249/bonhomme-richard-navy-ship-scrapped-after-fire/ The Bonhomme Richard caught fire on July 12, 2020 while docked at its home port in San Diego. The firefighting effort spanned four days, involving hundreds of seamen and even water drops by Navy helicopters on the burning ship. The fire, which started in the lower decks of the ship reserved for storing Marine vehicles, spread to the stern and bow and up through every level of the ship. The hull isn't created all at once, it's made in sections and then welded together, but the damage looks too extensive to save the boat. The sections damaged are the weapons systems/Sonar/command sections which are probably the most expensive parts of the boat. ![[image loading]](https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Russian-Navy-Improved-Kilo-Class-Submarine-770x410.jpg.webp) It might be possible to salvage the propulsion section, I can't see anything else being usable. Edit:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Miami_(SSN-755) USS Miami was set on fire, with damage to torpedoes, c&c and crew living which scrapped it, so the Russian sub is a goner | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 19 2023 02:50 Manit0u wrote: I don't think you can repair submarines after major hull breaches. Constructions that are designed to work under pressure are typically composed of as few components as possible so you can't really just patch the holes as it would affect its structural integrity too much and introduce too many potential points of failure. Mind you, I'm no expert on that, just going by the simple principles of physics/engineering here. Subs do undergo periodic maintenance and overhauls but for such damage I think that you'd have to replace almost the entire hull? Not sure if it wouldn't be easier to just salvage what you can of the internals and build a new sub. The main problem with repairing the boat is that not a single crack, even the size of a hair, can be left behind. That means the hull is now likely unusable in its entirety. Even if something can be used, a complete restoration of the boat would take years. Practically speaking it's forever out of service. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
Numbers are from Russia's own ministry of labour, so it pretty much confirms at least 230000 deaths. These numbers will also be lagging behind by a number of months, so will definitively be higher by now Ukraine's own numbers lies at 270k as of this September. As expected, Ukraine's numbers are slightly optimistic, but not at all far from realistic | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
On September 19 2023 08:18 Excludos wrote: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/18/7420328/ Numbers are from Russia's own ministry of labour, so it pretty much confirms at least 230000 deaths. These numbers will also be lagging behind by a number of months, so will definitively be higher by now Ukraine's own numbers lies at 270k as of this September. As expected, Ukraine's numbers are slightly optimistic, but not at all far from realistic The papers about Russia that are mentioned are for family members of deceased soldiers (since they are entitled to some state benefits for that). So if anything (not including the point that some of these are ordered in advance, since Russian state purchase system is a lenghty process) it confirms that there are 230000 people, who have a deceased soldier in their family, and family in this instance means parents, spouses and children, as per Russian family law. Edit: on a second thought, this number may not be about currently sustained losses (or at least mostly not about them). Because you need to have this stuff in advance when relatives of the deceased person make those documents in social security service. Such documents for previous losses were most likely given from already existing stock. So this order is, most likely, made in advance for currently projected losses, plus, maybe, for fighting soldiers recently acknowledged officially as veterans (such as Wagner troops). So this number is very far from being anything conclusive. | ||
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