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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
September 15 2023 20:07 GMT
#11681
On September 16 2023 04:35 hexhaven wrote:
Moving on from the war criming imperialism enjoyer, Kadyrov is reportedly in "a critical condition". There's been persistent rumors about his condition for a while now, so remains to be seen whether it's true this time around.

Show nested quote +
Andrii Yusov, representative of Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence, has stated that Ramzan Kadyrov, Head of the Kremlin-controlled Chechnya, is in critical condition.


Is that the same guy who buried his personal doctor alive?
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5739 Posts
September 15 2023 20:11 GMT
#11682
On September 16 2023 04:22 captainwaffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:
On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:
On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.


I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here.

Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there.

Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here.


So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it?

Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now.

I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea



Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world.

I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day.

By "protecting" you mean sending tens of thousands of men from Donbas to certain death (they make up by far the worst equipped units) and bombing Eastern Ukrainian cities to dust?

Care to explain how what Russia is doing now is preferable to a couple dozen casualties per year (stats from 2021)?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15727 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-15 23:19:18
September 15 2023 23:18 GMT
#11683
On September 16 2023 04:42 captainwaffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2023 04:26 Excludos wrote:
On September 16 2023 04:22 captainwaffles wrote:
On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:
On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:
On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.


I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here.

Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there.

Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here.


So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it?

Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now.

I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea



Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world.

I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day.


Great! I'll relay it to King Harald. We'll begin the invasion tomorrow. Waffle said it was ok

I don't believe him for a second. I think he's lying through his teeth in favor of "winning arguments". But no takesies backsies


I was being sarcastic. I'm not trying to win any arguments, I'm just here to spit facts. Check my twitter account in my signature and see how serious I am or aren't.


I don't know what you mean, so I checked your twitter and it seems to be mostly just standard stuff I'd expect from your post history. But this seemed like a really weird thing to say


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-15 23:30:20
September 15 2023 23:27 GMT
#11684
So it appears Bakhmut and the Russian units still defending it are in danger of being encircled. Remember the 72nd was the last, at least believed, regular army unit that was rushed from Kreminna to Bakhmut.



"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14075 Posts
September 16 2023 00:47 GMT
#11685
On September 16 2023 05:07 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2023 04:35 hexhaven wrote:
Moving on from the war criming imperialism enjoyer, Kadyrov is reportedly in "a critical condition". There's been persistent rumors about his condition for a while now, so remains to be seen whether it's true this time around.

Andrii Yusov, representative of Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence, has stated that Ramzan Kadyrov, Head of the Kremlin-controlled Chechnya, is in critical condition.


Is that the same guy who buried his personal doctor alive?

For presumably poisoning him, which might be why he's now in a coma.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 16 2023 02:31 GMT
#11686
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
September 16 2023 08:51 GMT
#11687
On September 16 2023 11:31 JimmiC wrote:
If it’s true that a double agent helped Ukraine strike the port then I’m not a huge fan of this story. However, if not true way to plant the seed of doubt on everybody in the know!

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-partisans-double-agent-russian-172659737.html


It's not like Russia can take any further measures after hearing this story. They were already paranoid about double agents. And so is Ukraine. It's just part of war.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
September 16 2023 09:24 GMT
#11688
wow , some luhansk woman got ran over my millitary truck in a crossover, then the truck proceeded to just drive away and then no one in this busy intersection cares or calls for ambulance, what a shit society, zeo and waffles should move there
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7310 Posts
September 16 2023 10:46 GMT
#11689
On September 16 2023 08:18 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2023 04:42 captainwaffles wrote:
On September 16 2023 04:26 Excludos wrote:
On September 16 2023 04:22 captainwaffles wrote:
On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:
On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:
On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.


I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here.

Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there.

Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here.


So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it?

Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now.

I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea



Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world.

I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day.


Great! I'll relay it to King Harald. We'll begin the invasion tomorrow. Waffle said it was ok

I don't believe him for a second. I think he's lying through his teeth in favor of "winning arguments". But no takesies backsies


I was being sarcastic. I'm not trying to win any arguments, I'm just here to spit facts. Check my twitter account in my signature and see how serious I am or aren't.


I don't know what you mean, so I checked your twitter and it seems to be mostly just standard stuff I'd expect from your post history. But this seemed like a really weird thing to say

https://twitter.com/CaptainWaffless/status/1652095851060183041




His twitter account is batshit crazy and/or full of troll posts.

I wish there was a mute button because after seeing his twitter nobody should respond to any of his posts.

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8231 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-16 11:37:07
September 16 2023 11:36 GMT
#11690
On September 16 2023 11:31 JimmiC wrote:
If it’s true that a double agent helped Ukraine strike the port then I’m not a huge fan of this story. However, if not true way to plant the seed of doubt on everybody in the know!

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-partisans-double-agent-russian-172659737.html


There's absolutely zero chance anyone on either side would just go and admit "Hey, we used spies for this! He's in this X unit!" It would be completely self defeating. Information gathering 101 is that you don't tell your opponent how you got it, giving them a chance to fix their holes. The only way this makes sense is if they got the information in a completely different way that they don't want to draw attention to
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 16 2023 21:07 GMT
#11691
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8231 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-16 23:54:38
September 16 2023 23:46 GMT
#11692
On September 17 2023 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
An interesting article about how it’s clear Russia is not threatened by NATO because if they were they could have less than 1/5th of the forces in the artic they had before the war. They know NATO won’t attack.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-near-norway-20-171622974.html


There's a bit of an unspoken "duh" there. If NATO invaded, which they won't because nukes, it wouldn't really matter if Russia had pre-war forces at the border or the current 20%. The outcome would be remarkable similar. Meanwhile, they have an actual threat in the war they themselves started. It just wouldn't make sense to not move the forces they have, from borders no one is going to attack from, to the active war they are currently losing in.

The interesting number her is that Russia has pulled 80% of their forces from their borders. Meaning (As we already know), they've taken massive losses that needed to be replenished. But their continuous increase in age group for the conscriptions already told us that tho
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 17 2023 01:13 GMT
#11693
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11714 Posts
September 17 2023 08:23 GMT
#11694
On September 17 2023 10:13 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2023 08:46 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2023 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
An interesting article about how it’s clear Russia is not threatened by NATO because if they were they could have less than 1/5th of the forces in the artic they had before the war. They know NATO won’t attack.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-near-norway-20-171622974.html


There's a bit of an unspoken "duh" there. If NATO invaded, which they won't because nukes, it wouldn't really matter if Russia had pre-war forces at the border or the current 20%. The outcome would be remarkable similar. Meanwhile, they have an actual threat in the war they themselves started. It just wouldn't make sense to not move the forces they have, from borders no one is going to attack from, to the active war they are currently losing in.

The interesting number her is that Russia has pulled 80% of their forces from their borders. Meaning (As we already know), they've taken massive losses that needed to be replenished. But their continuous increase in age group for the conscriptions already told us that tho

I get the whole duh part. But people like zeo like to justify the invasion as defensive, as if they didn’t do it nato would invade. But Russian leadership actions speak much louder than there words.

Agree with rest.


Well, how could Nato invade if they are losing all of their troops in Ukraine. Good thing Russia invaded so the threat of Nato invasion was prevented.

(Reason doesn't reach people like zeo, you can always find a way to spin stuff if you try hard enough and don't really care about reality)
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
September 17 2023 08:40 GMT
#11695
On September 17 2023 17:23 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2023 10:13 JimmiC wrote:
On September 17 2023 08:46 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2023 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
An interesting article about how it’s clear Russia is not threatened by NATO because if they were they could have less than 1/5th of the forces in the artic they had before the war. They know NATO won’t attack.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-near-norway-20-171622974.html


There's a bit of an unspoken "duh" there. If NATO invaded, which they won't because nukes, it wouldn't really matter if Russia had pre-war forces at the border or the current 20%. The outcome would be remarkable similar. Meanwhile, they have an actual threat in the war they themselves started. It just wouldn't make sense to not move the forces they have, from borders no one is going to attack from, to the active war they are currently losing in.

The interesting number her is that Russia has pulled 80% of their forces from their borders. Meaning (As we already know), they've taken massive losses that needed to be replenished. But their continuous increase in age group for the conscriptions already told us that tho

I get the whole duh part. But people like zeo like to justify the invasion as defensive, as if they didn’t do it nato would invade. But Russian leadership actions speak much louder than there words.

Agree with rest.


Well, how could Nato invade if they are losing all of their troops in Ukraine. Good thing Russia invaded so the threat of Nato invasion was prevented.

(Reason doesn't reach people like zeo, you can always find a way to spin stuff if you try hard enough and don't really care about reality)


Good thing Russia has nukes to prevent an attack by NATO into Russian homeland. It's just unfortunate that Russia isn't willing to use nukes to defend Russian homeland against NATO.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6334 Posts
September 17 2023 11:22 GMT
#11696
On September 17 2023 10:13 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2023 08:46 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2023 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
An interesting article about how it’s clear Russia is not threatened by NATO because if they were they could have less than 1/5th of the forces in the artic they had before the war. They know NATO won’t attack.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-near-norway-20-171622974.html


There's a bit of an unspoken "duh" there. If NATO invaded, which they won't because nukes, it wouldn't really matter if Russia had pre-war forces at the border or the current 20%. The outcome would be remarkable similar. Meanwhile, they have an actual threat in the war they themselves started. It just wouldn't make sense to not move the forces they have, from borders no one is going to attack from, to the active war they are currently losing in.

The interesting number her is that Russia has pulled 80% of their forces from their borders. Meaning (As we already know), they've taken massive losses that needed to be replenished. But their continuous increase in age group for the conscriptions already told us that tho

I get the whole duh part. But people like zeo like to justify the invasion as defensive, as if they didn’t do it nato would invade. But Russian leadership actions speak much louder than there words.

Agree with rest.

I dont get the point of these low effort ad hominems and strawmans, they are easy to post sure but at least try to post something with any sembalance to reality or what Ive said in the past. Just on this page Im moving to Russia apparently and saying things ive never said to prove other things I never said being used as a prop to attack my character in a piss poor way.

If Im living rent free in your head (like already in the Hitler guys head) at least make the boogie man vaguely resemble what Im saying, not just randomly tacking anything you dont like and building a strawman.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
September 17 2023 11:25 GMT
#11697
It's pointless to talk about why Putin is wrong when he say x y and z when it's obvious even he knows / everyone with a brain knows bullshit.

He can't say : "I want to annex ukraine and restore sovjet union because my army is 100x stronger than ukraine therefore the war will be over very soon and i will be remembered as a great russian leader"

It's obvious to anyone with a brain that this was the thought process, then you can make up any number of reasons to invade, if you give 10 different reasons as long as 1 reason is good enough for some russian person then that's good enough.
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
September 17 2023 11:26 GMT
#11698
On September 17 2023 20:22 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2023 10:13 JimmiC wrote:
On September 17 2023 08:46 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2023 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
An interesting article about how it’s clear Russia is not threatened by NATO because if they were they could have less than 1/5th of the forces in the artic they had before the war. They know NATO won’t attack.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-near-norway-20-171622974.html


There's a bit of an unspoken "duh" there. If NATO invaded, which they won't because nukes, it wouldn't really matter if Russia had pre-war forces at the border or the current 20%. The outcome would be remarkable similar. Meanwhile, they have an actual threat in the war they themselves started. It just wouldn't make sense to not move the forces they have, from borders no one is going to attack from, to the active war they are currently losing in.

The interesting number her is that Russia has pulled 80% of their forces from their borders. Meaning (As we already know), they've taken massive losses that needed to be replenished. But their continuous increase in age group for the conscriptions already told us that tho

I get the whole duh part. But people like zeo like to justify the invasion as defensive, as if they didn’t do it nato would invade. But Russian leadership actions speak much louder than there words.

Agree with rest.

I dont get the point of these low effort ad hominems and strawmans, they are easy to post sure but at least try to post something with any sembalance to reality or what Ive said in the past. Just on this page Im moving to Russia apparently and saying things ive never said to prove other things I never said being used as a prop to attack my character in a piss poor way.

If Im living rent free in your head (like already in the Hitler guys head) at least make the boogie man vaguely resemble what Im saying, not just randomly tacking anything you dont like and building a strawman.


You don't think it's interesting how 99% of people, even most russians dont agree with you, no surely you are correct and everyone else is wrong
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6334 Posts
September 17 2023 11:54 GMT
#11699
On September 17 2023 20:26 sertas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2023 20:22 zeo wrote:
On September 17 2023 10:13 JimmiC wrote:
On September 17 2023 08:46 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2023 06:07 JimmiC wrote:
An interesting article about how it’s clear Russia is not threatened by NATO because if they were they could have less than 1/5th of the forces in the artic they had before the war. They know NATO won’t attack.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-near-norway-20-171622974.html


There's a bit of an unspoken "duh" there. If NATO invaded, which they won't because nukes, it wouldn't really matter if Russia had pre-war forces at the border or the current 20%. The outcome would be remarkable similar. Meanwhile, they have an actual threat in the war they themselves started. It just wouldn't make sense to not move the forces they have, from borders no one is going to attack from, to the active war they are currently losing in.

The interesting number her is that Russia has pulled 80% of their forces from their borders. Meaning (As we already know), they've taken massive losses that needed to be replenished. But their continuous increase in age group for the conscriptions already told us that tho

I get the whole duh part. But people like zeo like to justify the invasion as defensive, as if they didn’t do it nato would invade. But Russian leadership actions speak much louder than there words.

Agree with rest.

I dont get the point of these low effort ad hominems and strawmans, they are easy to post sure but at least try to post something with any sembalance to reality or what Ive said in the past. Just on this page Im moving to Russia apparently and saying things ive never said to prove other things I never said being used as a prop to attack my character in a piss poor way.

If Im living rent free in your head (like already in the Hitler guys head) at least make the boogie man vaguely resemble what Im saying, not just randomly tacking anything you dont like and building a strawman.


You don't think it's interesting how 99% of people, even most russians dont agree with you, no surely you are correct and everyone else is wrong

Please send the source that 99% of people and most Russians dont agree with me. 99% of a small buble echo chamber maybe, who knows. Or maybe you think Africans, South Americans, Asians and the population in Europe that dont agree with warmongering are not people.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 17 2023 12:11 GMT
#11700
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