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On September 15 2023 21:38 zeo wrote:I want to talk about the complete debacle of an offencive and its repercussions on the future of this conflict. Though we can see the coping mechasims in the past few pages where a few are trying to talk very hard about everything except the failed offencive. This stemming from a lack of empathy toward the people they are egging on dieing in large numbers. Easiest to talk about anything except for that.
Very True indeed.
As Colonel Douglas has been saying repeatedly: Make Peace! You Fools!
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Finland955 Posts
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.
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On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.
I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here.
Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there.
Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here.
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Finland955 Posts
So Russia should cease hostilities, and then negotiate the peaceful transfer of the territories to Ukraine, got it.
e: Maybe some international peacekeeping forces too.
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On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here.
By Russian law.
I claim your house. It is my house now. I have just written a law that declares the house you previously owned to be my house. By Simberto law, that house is my house now. You should leave my house.
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On September 16 2023 03:44 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. By Russian law. I claim your house. It is my house now. I have just written a law that declares the house you previously owned to be my house. By Simberto law, that house is my house now. You should leave my house.
Are you an Israeli aided and abetted by the West in Palestine?
But in all seriousness international law is less about what principles people hold and more about what power they have to enforce it.
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United States43459 Posts
On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here.
If eastern Ukraine was Russia you wouldn’t use the words eastern Ukraine to refer to it. You would say “western Russia is Russia”.
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Norway28733 Posts
On September 16 2023 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:44 Simberto wrote:On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. By Russian law. I claim your house. It is my house now. I have just written a law that declares the house you previously owned to be my house. By Simberto law, that house is my house now. You should leave my house. Are you an Israeli aided and abetted by the West in Palestine? But in all seriousness international law is less about what principles people hold and more about what power they have to enforce it.
While the latter is true, the rational thing is to be opposed to both Israel's and Russia's land grab, not to excuse Russia's land grab because some people who oppose it support Israel's. Not saying you in particular are guilty of this but it certainly happens.
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On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here.
So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it?
Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now.
I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea
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Ukraine is evrething russia has taken agreed to by evreone except some african countries, north korea, maybe iran? So the rest of the world will help ukraine take it back, it's that simple.
I also don't even understand this discussion is so low level that it hurts my brain, because zeo and waffles are just so far away from reality that it's not even a real discussion, I don't even know why they post, like most russians wouldn't even agree on these takes, and for them it's understandable if they're biased
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On September 16 2023 04:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 16 2023 03:44 Simberto wrote:On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. By Russian law. I claim your house. It is my house now. I have just written a law that declares the house you previously owned to be my house. By Simberto law, that house is my house now. You should leave my house. Are you an Israeli aided and abetted by the West in Palestine? But in all seriousness international law is less about what principles people hold and more about what power they have to enforce it. While the latter is true, the rational thing is to be opposed to both Israel's and Russia's land grab, not to excuse Russia's land grab because some people who oppose it support Israel's. Not saying you in particular are guilty of this but it certainly happens.
Even Israel themselves wants to give back the land they've taken. They are completely fine with returning the occupied territories for peace. Palestine just doesn't want to meet them at the table. We can have discussions all day about who's the evil party in that conflict, but there's a pretty big difference with Russia who doesn't want peace to begin with, and certainly aren't willing to return the occupied areas, which is literally all Ukraine wants from them.
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On September 16 2023 03:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. If eastern Ukraine was Russia you wouldn’t use the words eastern Ukraine to refer to it. You would say “western Russia is Russia”.
Your gotcha negated the reality I described. Praise be to Jesus! Orthodox Eastern Jesus!
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On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it? Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now. I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea
Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world.
I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day.
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United States43459 Posts
On September 16 2023 04:19 captainwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 03:57 KwarK wrote:On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. If eastern Ukraine was Russia you wouldn’t use the words eastern Ukraine to refer to it. You would say “western Russia is Russia”. Your gotcha negated the reality I described. Praise be to Jesus! Orthodox Eastern Jesus!
Out of curiosity, do you still subscribe to the reality where Kherson is and always will be under Russian control?
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On September 16 2023 04:22 captainwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it? Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now. I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world. I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day.
Great! I'll relay it to King Harald. We'll begin the invasion tomorrow. Waffle said it was ok
I don't believe him for a second. I think he's lying through his teeth in favor of "winning arguments". But no takesies backsies
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On September 16 2023 04:26 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 04:22 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it? Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now. I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world. I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day. Great! I'll relay it to King Harald. We'll begin the invasion tomorrow. Waffle said it was ok I don't believe him for a second. I think he's lying through his teeth in favor of "winning arguments". But no takesies backsies
I mean, the Russians are currently pretty busy and overextended. If there is a time to strike, it is now.
And yeah, obviously. I am still uncertain if he is trolling or actually believes that stuff, because i don't know what world you need to be in to believe any of that.
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Finland955 Posts
Moving on from the war criming imperialism enjoyer, Kadyrov is reportedly in "a critical condition". There's been persistent rumors about his condition for a while now, so remains to be seen whether it's true this time around.
Andrii Yusov, representative of Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence, has stated that Ramzan Kadyrov, Head of the Kremlin-controlled Chechnya, is in critical condition.
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On September 16 2023 04:26 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 04:22 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it? Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now. I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world. I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day. Great! I'll relay it to King Harald. We'll begin the invasion tomorrow. Waffle said it was ok I don't believe him for a second. I think he's lying through his teeth in favor of "winning arguments". But no takesies backsies
I was being sarcastic. I'm not trying to win any arguments, I'm just here to spit facts. Check my twitter account in my signature and see how serious I am or aren't.
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On September 16 2023 04:42 captainwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2023 04:26 Excludos wrote:On September 16 2023 04:22 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 04:10 Excludos wrote:On September 16 2023 03:25 captainwaffles wrote:On September 16 2023 03:23 hexhaven wrote:
Russia can retreat at any time. Well, first announce that there's a ceasefire, then start moving forces away from Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. I feel like reality still hasn't set in for a lot of the people here. Eastern Ukraine is Russia, by law now, and by choice for the people living there. Kiev can back off and let the Donbas go, since they don't like them anyway, idk if that thought ever occurs around here. So just a thought experiment. You are completely ok with Norway invading Russia, taking over a bunch of cities, having a fake vote that totally says it's now ours, and then listen to us whine about how Russia isn't just letting us have it? Because that is literally what you want Ukraine to do. You want them to accept that it's fine for another country to just invade them and take a bunch of land, because the other country claims it's theirs now. I'm mind boggled by how anyone could possible logic leap their way into thinking Russia now somehow owns eastern Ukraine and Crimea Yes. I'm okay with any decontextualized hypothetical you have to make to make sense of the world. I'm also perfectly okay with Russia protecting the Donbas from Kiev and it's Azov thugs with tens of thousands of artillery shells per day. Great! I'll relay it to King Harald. We'll begin the invasion tomorrow. Waffle said it was ok I don't believe him for a second. I think he's lying through his teeth in favor of "winning arguments". But no takesies backsies I was being sarcastic. I'm not trying to win any arguments, I'm just here to spit facts. Check my twitter account in my signature and see how serious I am or aren't.
No, I'm not going to go into your twitter account to find out whether you are being serious or not. Learn to use your words to argue with reason, or don't bother at all
edit: You know what? You won my curiosity over. I did check it. It is..so much worse than I could have imagined. You're seriously just a full blown conspiracy theorists. And you dare call yourself an American Patriot? My god
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On September 16 2023 03:09 captainwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2023 21:38 zeo wrote:On September 15 2023 21:21 Simberto wrote:
Dude. What are you talking about? I want to talk about the complete debacle of an offencive and its repercussions on the future of this conflict. Though we can see the coping mechasims in the past few pages where a few are trying to talk very hard about everything except the failed offencive. This stemming from a lack of empathy toward the people they are egging on dieing in large numbers. Easiest to talk about anything except for that. Very True indeed. As Colonel Douglas has been saying repeatedly: Make Peace! You Fools!
Ukrainians are making peace. One Russian at a time (sometimes more). :-)
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