EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 578
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2845 Posts
On September 12 2023 00:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So... Ukraine plans to destroy them I am guessing? I mean if they just occupy them what is stopping Russia from simply bombing them? https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1701159443394601415 Probably were empty. Probably will leave them empty or with a skeleton crew. Russia bombing them or Ukraine destroying them might trigger enviormental disaster? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
I fully expect them to get attacked by missiles and/or drones in the near future. Its exactly the sort of petty useless vengeance that Russia loves. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8272 Posts
On September 12 2023 00:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So... Ukraine plans to destroy them I am guessing? I mean if they just occupy them what is stopping Russia from simply bombing them? https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1701159443394601415 Full article: https://kyivindependent.com/military-intelligence-ukraine-regains-control-of-oil-platforms/ We saw these videos several weeks ago. It's interesting how videos and pictures from operations surface pretty much immediately, to be followed by official word more than several weeks later. It's truly bizarre how quickly information flows these days. This operation could genuinely be turned into a movie. Spec Ops, from a country without a Navy, is sent out to sea blockaded by Russian Navy warships, to board and reclaim oil rigs. In the process gets into a full blown confrontation with enemy fast mover that is damaged and forced to retreat, blows up an AA launcher with missile, and for funsies just outright lands on Crimea and hoists the flag to send a message. Unclear if under the same mission, or a different one in the same area and time, they lose a man overboard while fighting with enemy fast movers, and track the poor dude for 12 hours with drones while the boats are evading strafing runs, until they can finally go back and rescue him. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17800 Posts
Damn, I must say I'm really impressed with Zelensky. Constantly visiting locations close to the front lines and getting reports directly from the troops on the ground. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8272 Posts
On September 12 2023 18:36 Manit0u wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Bqcg52pr0 Damn, I must say I'm really impressed with Zelensky. Constantly visiting locations close to the front lines and getting reports directly from the troops on the ground. The OPSEC to be able to do that on a consistent basis without getting blown up must be otherworldly | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
Imagine going to fight now for russia being worse in most aspects except air force, and soon ukraines air force will also be better than russia with f16 in 4 motnhs time | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
On September 12 2023 23:47 sertas wrote: Where are you getting 4 months from? I've only seen summer 2024 as a realistic timelineRussia destroyed a decade of economic growth and will lose this war, f16 is incoming aswell. The smart russian soldiers retired after the first 6-7 months where russia was superior in every single area. Imagine going to fight now for russia being worse in most aspects except air force, and soon ukraines air force will also be better than russia with f16 in 4 motnhs time | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8272 Posts
On September 12 2023 23:47 sertas wrote: The smart russian soldiers retired after the first 6-7 months where russia was superior in every single area. Not quite sure why you tink the average Russian soldier is able to just up and retire. Conscription usually isn't a "Whenever you want to leave, go ahead" kind of deal | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
On September 13 2023 00:31 Excludos wrote: Not quite sure why you tink the average Russian soldier is able to just up and retire. Conscription usually isn't a "Whenever you want to leave, go ahead" kind of deal Before the start of mobilization any Russian soldier was free to terminate his contract. This was forbidden only after legislation changes in September 2022. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5843 Posts
On September 13 2023 01:19 Ardias wrote: Before the start of mobilization any Russian soldier was free to terminate his contract. This was forbidden only after legislation changes in September 2022. Afaik, only those not already deployed in Ukraine. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
COPENHAGEN, Sept 12 (Reuters) - Denmark will donate a package worth 5.8 billion Danish crowns ($833 million) to Ukraine, including tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, tank ammunition and anti-aircraft guns, the ministry of defence said in a statement on Tuesday. The full amount is distributed over three rounds - 4.3 billion this year, 1.4 billion in 2024 and 52 million in 2025, the ministry said. "After more than a year and a half of war, we have almost exhausted our defence stocks. Therefore, we are now looking into more targeted joint procurement and international cooperation, tailored to Ukraine's needs here and now," foreign minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen said in a statement. This is the twelfth and largest donation package Denmark has sent to Ukraine since Russia invaded the country in February 2022, the ministry added. Source | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On September 13 2023 00:07 Gorsameth wrote: Where are you getting 4 months from? I've only seen summer 2024 as a realistic timeline Denmark will deliver the first F16 come January (which knowing our bureaucracy means February). However I doubt F16s will make Ukraines airforce better than Russias. They will however level the field. | ||
KwarK
United States44203 Posts
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Yurie
12128 Posts
I agree with Kwark. It will be a launch platform that is hard to take down while in the air. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11935 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
On September 13 2023 02:08 Yurie wrote: Why would the notch missiles be the solution?The F16 could level the field if they got top notch missiles. They won't be getting those. Thus F16 is not going to fully solve air to air. I agree with Kwark. It will be a launch platform that is hard to take down while in the air. The problem is Russian AA stopping aircraft from operating in range if the front line. That is why the F16 would only be a long range launch platform. On September 13 2023 02:38 Magic Powers wrote: The point of the F-16s is to add more dimensions to Ukraine's arsenal. Fire from more directions or into more directions = more pressure. It's a fairly simple gameplan. Just keep increasing the pressure. I imagine the point is also to open up Ukraine for being able to use F16 compatible missiles. That is the sort of ammo that NATO has a lot of, our Western armouries are build around engaging in air campaigns, not artillery duels. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
On September 13 2023 02:42 Gorsameth wrote: Why would the notch missiles be the solution? The problem is Russian AA stopping aircraft from operating in range if the front line. That is why the F16 would only be a long range launch platform. Russia is using more and more of their new JDAM kits with range of few dozen kilometers. Since they mostly target stuff on or near the frontline, short range AA of AFU can't get them, and long range AA is a) overstretched on long front and rear areas b) depleted throughout the war c) is a juicy target for Lancets if brought too close. AIM-120 missiles with airborne carriers would be a big help in that regard, as well as in contesting Russian fighter superiority. Ukraine simply doesn't have an efficient counterpart to Russian R-77 and R-37 AA missiles atm. | ||
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