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Sermokala
United States13955 Posts
On November 16 2022 03:46 hitthat wrote: Too little to retaliate, too much to ignore. "Measured response" is just terrifying to me. Putin can't back down but can't escape whats coming. I really don't want to die. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21700 Posts
On November 16 2022 03:46 hitthat wrote: Good excuse to fire a few retaliatory missiles at Russian launch sites.Too little to retaliate, too much to ignore. But yeah, Russia missiles missing and hitting NATO is probably very high on the list of things we were hoping was not going to happen cause it leaves 'us' in the dilemma of how to respond to it in a way that shows Russia not to allow it to happen again, while also not forcing them to retaliate to our retaliation. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On November 16 2022 04:06 Gorsameth wrote: Good excuse to fire a few retaliatory missiles at Russian launch sites. But yeah, Russia missiles missing and hitting NATO is probably very high on the list of things we were hoping was not going to happen cause it leaves 'us' in the dilemma of how to respond to it in a way that shows Russia not to allow it to happen again, while also not forcing them to retaliate to our retaliation. Shielding western Ukraine with NATO anti-missile would be enough, but I'm not sure if western systems have long enough range. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On November 16 2022 04:06 Gorsameth wrote: Good excuse to fire a few retaliatory missiles at Russian launch sites. But yeah, Russia missiles missing and hitting NATO is probably very high on the list of things we were hoping was not going to happen cause it leaves 'us' in the dilemma of how to respond to it in a way that shows Russia not to allow it to happen again, while also not forcing them to retaliate to our retaliation. That would trigger Nuclear War pretty much immediately. I honestly think NATO will approve to basically militarize NATO borders that neighbor Russia. But what can't be predicited is how the populace of Poland will react. Hopefully the Russia embassy is very well guarded starting now. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On November 16 2022 04:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That would trigger Nuclear War pretty much immediately. I honestly think NATO will approve to basically militarize NATO borders that neighbor Russia. But what can't be predicited is how the populace of Poland will react. Hopefully the Russia embassy is very well guarded starting now. Easy. There is relatively little outburst and panic. Don't worry about us going full retard. That's not ammo or fuel depot, or nothing that makes deliberate terror attack self-evident. | ||
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Artesimo
Germany546 Posts
On November 16 2022 04:06 Gorsameth wrote: Good excuse to fire a few retaliatory missiles at Russian launch sites. But yeah, Russia missiles missing and hitting NATO is probably very high on the list of things we were hoping was not going to happen cause it leaves 'us' in the dilemma of how to respond to it in a way that shows Russia not to allow it to happen again, while also not forcing them to retaliate to our retaliation. I don't think that what most likely is an accident hit will lead to anything but a diplomatic incident. Possibly aid to ukraine will be increased, but I doubt that we will see any military response. This scenario will have been considered by nato and the west since the beginning of the war and procedures will be in place. Nobody wants world war 3, and to me, this incident could only warrant a military response if nato was looking for an excuse to do so - which they clearly don't and will continue to prove. Nobody wants war with russia, despite what russia likes to claim. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
If it was actually a stray missile then it's super unlucky that people died, looks like mostly farmland on google maps. Unless some moron actually pointed it at a wrong building over the border. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5569 Posts
On November 16 2022 03:44 Copymizer wrote: Time to trigger article 5 and give Russia the might of the NATO alliance just to tell we don't tolerate it anymore I think we absolutely should. This has been going on for far too long. Russia has no chance of winning this war, it's time to end it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
Everybody disperse, nothing to see here. Edit: conflicting info: some others claim it was deliberate provocation from Russia... | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4730 Posts
1. We need to be 100% sure it was indeed Russian missile and not something else. 2. Then and only then a calm and proportionate response should be given. As terrible as it sounds, two people on the farm in Eastern Poland isn't something worth ending the World. There is a plethora of options that doesn't end in military confrontation. We can expel Russian diplomats, seize their assets, cancel visas/travel agreements, increase our support for Ukraine. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
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pmp10
3328 Posts
On November 16 2022 04:58 Silvanel wrote: I just hope our government doesn't do anything radical without consulting US and UK first. They are not above peddling conspiracy theories for political gain. I'm not sure if they will be interested in truth and measured response as in the potential to improve their poll numbers. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 16 2022 05:00 Mohdoo wrote: Russia firing a missile killed 2 poles. The fact that it was remains from being intercepted is entirely besides the point. The missile never should have been fired. The decision to fire the missile is what killed those people, not Ukraine defending itself. Also if Russia wasn't deliberately attacking civilian targets away from the front the missiles would've never been anywhere near the Polish border in the first place. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
Any proportional response such as hitting the launchers is probably going to be viewed as an escalation, which is what they don't want to do. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4730 Posts
In my opinion, diplomatic/economic response is the correct one. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On November 16 2022 05:13 plasmidghost wrote: What if NATO would respond by implementing a no-fly zone over Ukraine? It would work in UN if restricted to Western Ukraine - its valid security action, cannot be consider retaliation and is technicaly not escalation. Only Russia would be mad at this. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4730 Posts
On November 16 2022 05:13 plasmidghost wrote: What if NATO would respond by implementing a no-fly zone over Ukraine? War. You can't implement no-fly zone over Ukraine without attacking Russian targets inside Ukraine and bordering Russian regions. | ||
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