EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 305
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{CC}StealthBlue
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On November 11 2022 21:49 zatic wrote: Oh, no doubt this has been long in the making. It's still not easy to pull off a retreat like that without the front breaking somewhere. Without sarcasm, this was probably the most professional maneuver the Russian army has pulled off in Ukraine so far. They've had a lot of practise at this point. Seems like the retreats are the only thing that goes okay. | ||
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Slydie
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On November 12 2022 00:17 RvB wrote: They've had a lot of practise at this point. Seems like the retreats are the only thing that goes okay. I see 3 options: 1: The Russians executed a retreat really well, with good cover. 2: The Russians faked that they remained with more forces than expected, the Ukrainians could have pushed the issue harder and earlier. 3: There are more Russians left than they admit. Which is it? The city seems liberated, though, which is great. What is the next move? A push towards Maripol? Or Crimea directly? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11836 Posts
On November 12 2022 00:39 Slydie wrote: I see 3 options: 1: The Russians executed a retreat really well, with good cover. 2: The Russians faked that they remained with more forces than expected, the Ukrainians could have pushed the issue harder and earlier. 3: There are more Russians left than they admit. Which is it? We will probably know by next week. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On November 12 2022 01:09 Copymizer wrote: Im also wondering if it's some kind of trap and russians are planning to heavily shell the city into rubbles from the otherside of Dnipro river next week Ukraine has more and better artillery that would now be in counter battery range. If they wanted to destroy the city all they needed to do was fight in it, street by street. They could have leveled it if they wanted to, they didn’t. To me it looks like the few days between Russia announcing their withdrawal and Ukraine taking the city were a deliberate attempt to avoid fighting in the streets. If you catch up to the retreating Russians they’ll have to stop and return fire and then civilians get hit. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/26055c0dd21b50d1a124cc89610fd3cc.jpg) A crucial factor in these victories is that none of the HIMARS have been destroyed by Russia. | ||
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Deleted User 173346
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22368 Posts
On November 12 2022 05:15 JimmiC wrote: He 'just'' has to sell abandoning 3 provinces that became part of Russia...It does seem like a Ukrainian victory is inevitable the push back has been continual for months and months now. The only Russian hope is that support dries up but that seems unlikely given the success the Ukraine is having. Mobilization seemingly did nothing and Ukraine is getting more equipment and even more advanced stuff all the time. The "right" move for Putin would be declaring that all the Nazis and Satanists have been destroyed and back on out. its not happening. I imagine Putin is now hoping for Republicans to bail him out by gaining control of part of Congress and stopping more aid. Or the winter turning (part of) the EU, unlikely considering how soft this winter is sofar. With maybe a tiny hope for some sort of counter offensive after the winter thaw. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11836 Posts
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On November 12 2022 05:46 Gorsameth wrote: He 'just'' has to sell abandoning 3 provinces that became part of Russia... its not happening. I imagine Putin is now hoping for Republicans to bail him out by gaining control of part of Congress and stopping more aid. Or the winter turning (part of) the EU, unlikely considering how soft this winter is sofar. With maybe a tiny hope for some sort of counter offensive after the winter thaw. 5 provinces, if we include Crimea. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WhistlerR-
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
On November 12 2022 06:01 Mohdoo wrote: Russia is going to try to frame this as an invasion of sovereign Russian territory lol What Putin might do is say that from the get go the goal was not to conquer Ukraine or those territories but to leave Ukraine in ruins while putting pressure on NATO countries and depleting their stocks. He can then say that the operation was a great success as Ukraine lies in ruin and all it took was some dumb shmucks from LPR, DPR and using stocks of obsolete gear from the military warehouses, thus also cleaning up the inventory. I really wouldn't put it past the current Russian regime to frame it like that and call it a victory in the end... | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On November 12 2022 07:00 WhistlerR- wrote: first thing that dies in war is the truth Russian conscripts die faster. | ||
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