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Will they actually pull out this time? I feel like I've read that Russia is pulling out of Kherson several times in the last month and it's yet to actually happen
The numbers behind WW2 are staggering when you consider the Russian losses to date. In the battle of Stalingrad alone, Russia lost 1.1m troops, Axis powers lost roughly 800k over five months.
Russia is losing troops at less than 10% the speed. They can sustain losing troops for a long time. The only question is how much of their Soviet arsenal remains, and that number still seems very high.
I see huge intellectual decline here. Even if Russia decided to be good from tomorrow, it would take decades to get some of population educated and properly thinking. Problem of Russia isn't that it needs more land (they won't get Ukraine). Instead, it's that education is bad (too much TV brainwashing going on) and democracy is at very low level. "Be silent and live your life" seems to be lifestyle over there based on what I've seen so far. It's disgusting to me listen to people like the ones from interview above, it's like I'm listening to Goebbels or some nazi bs.
I see intellectual decline when a person doesn't know about biased samples
Nice try, I see your feelings are hurt but I consider myself educated enough about Russia's geopolitical history starting from Soviet times. To the point, I rarely miss 1420's interviews and even when interviews are in Moscow there are still a lot of people who prefer to stay silent (or say "I'm not into politics" which is probably the same most of the time). Yes, rural Russians seem more patriotic, less knowledgeable about the external world but it's not like you don't see such people in Moscow where they say "for the motherland!" and that war against Ukraine is "right". Also, Russia isn't just Moscow and Saints Petersburg so it doesn't make me any less disgusted if video is outside these 2 cities.
-so, watching all 1420's video makes you confident about sociology and education level in Russia? Congrats, that's how propaganda works
I know it isn't what you said, but do you think 1420 videos are propaganda and if so, how do they manage to still make this content?
-I've seen a gradual increase in biasedness of their videos in time. What they currently do is almost 100% playing with the general narratives of western media on Russia. I dont think they are paid for it (other than Youtube monetization); my guess is that is due to some sort of positive feedback loop - as they tune to the viewpoints of their audience
>>how do they manage to still make this content? Imho, you overestimate the strictness of media regulation here. There are plently of critics of government, MoD, Putin, on Youtube and Telegram channels, which have become an important news sources here. A channel with a relatively small Russian audience, like their, is unlikely to get serious problems with law. Just as an example - most of Ukrainian media have Russian-language Telegram channels, which are freely available here.
And what is that narrative? That the bulk of Russians either openly support or at least don't mind the war?
I see huge intellectual decline here. Even if Russia decided to be good from tomorrow, it would take decades to get some of population educated and properly thinking. Problem of Russia isn't that it needs more land (they won't get Ukraine). Instead, it's that education is bad (too much TV brainwashing going on) and democracy is at very low level. "Be silent and live your life" seems to be lifestyle over there based on what I've seen so far. It's disgusting to me listen to people like the ones from interview above, it's like I'm listening to Goebbels or some nazi bs.
I see intellectual decline when a person doesn't know about biased samples
Nice try, I see your feelings are hurt but I consider myself educated enough about Russia's geopolitical history starting from Soviet times. To the point, I rarely miss 1420's interviews and even when interviews are in Moscow there are still a lot of people who prefer to stay silent (or say "I'm not into politics" which is probably the same most of the time). Yes, rural Russians seem more patriotic, less knowledgeable about the external world but it's not like you don't see such people in Moscow where they say "for the motherland!" and that war against Ukraine is "right". Also, Russia isn't just Moscow and Saints Petersburg so it doesn't make me any less disgusted if video is outside these 2 cities.
-so, watching all 1420's video makes you confident about sociology and education level in Russia? Congrats, that's how propaganda works
I know it isn't what you said, but do you think 1420 videos are propaganda and if so, how do they manage to still make this content?
-I've seen a gradual increase in biasedness of their videos in time. What they currently do is almost 100% playing with the general narratives of western media on Russia. I dont think they are paid for it (other than Youtube monetization); my guess is that is due to some sort of positive feedback loop - as they tune to the viewpoints of their audience
>>how do they manage to still make this content? Imho, you overestimate the strictness of media regulation here. There are plently of critics of government, MoD, Putin, on Youtube and Telegram channels, which have become an important news sources here. A channel with a relatively small Russian audience, like their, is unlikely to get serious problems with law. Just as an example - most of Ukrainian media have Russian-language Telegram channels, which are freely available here.
And what is that narrative? That the bulk of Russians either openly support or at least don't mind the war?
Levada's polls few months ago were showing something about 15-20% pro-war, 15-20% against and the rest not minding/neutral/not thinking about it. Experience from my surroundings kinda align with that (men are more involved in the matter, women less so).
Also yes, AFRF is withdrawing from Kherson, order is publicly given by Shoigu. I only wonder if it was military or political decision.
This Russian "gesture of goodwill" is extra interesting because it happened a little more than a month after Putin signed annexation treaty with Kherson's puppet government. In Russian reality it should look like they're retreating from their own territory.
On November 10 2022 01:21 zatic wrote: It's as official as it gets. Also they have been building defensive lines on the east bank for weeks now.
The question is how orderly this retreat can be possibly be. Expect large amounts of military material and washing machines be left behind.
Most likely would be to garrison the city and have artillery with safe supply across the river. Then they force a large concentration to stop a break out while Ukraine has no real need for taking the city since it doesn't enable further campaigns, "just" frees up troops.
I see huge intellectual decline here. Even if Russia decided to be good from tomorrow, it would take decades to get some of population educated and properly thinking. Problem of Russia isn't that it needs more land (they won't get Ukraine). Instead, it's that education is bad (too much TV brainwashing going on) and democracy is at very low level. "Be silent and live your life" seems to be lifestyle over there based on what I've seen so far. It's disgusting to me listen to people like the ones from interview above, it's like I'm listening to Goebbels or some nazi bs.
I see intellectual decline when a person doesn't know about biased samples
Nice try, I see your feelings are hurt but I consider myself educated enough about Russia's geopolitical history starting from Soviet times. To the point, I rarely miss 1420's interviews and even when interviews are in Moscow there are still a lot of people who prefer to stay silent (or say "I'm not into politics" which is probably the same most of the time). Yes, rural Russians seem more patriotic, less knowledgeable about the external world but it's not like you don't see such people in Moscow where they say "for the motherland!" and that war against Ukraine is "right". Also, Russia isn't just Moscow and Saints Petersburg so it doesn't make me any less disgusted if video is outside these 2 cities.
-so, watching all 1420's video makes you confident about sociology and education level in Russia? Congrats, that's how propaganda works
I know it isn't what you said, but do you think 1420 videos are propaganda and if so, how do they manage to still make this content?
-I've seen a gradual increase in biasedness of their videos in time. What they currently do is almost 100% playing with the general narratives of western media on Russia. I dont think they are paid for it (other than Youtube monetization); my guess is that is due to some sort of positive feedback loop - as they tune to the viewpoints of their audience
>>how do they manage to still make this content? Imho, you overestimate the strictness of media regulation here. There are plently of critics of government, MoD, Putin, on Youtube and Telegram channels, which have become an important news sources here. A channel with a relatively small Russian audience, like their, is unlikely to get serious problems with law. Just as an example - most of Ukrainian media have Russian-language Telegram channels, which are freely available here.
And what is that narrative? That the bulk of Russians either openly support or at least don't mind the war?
Levada's polls few months ago were showing something about 15-20% pro-war, 15-20% against and the rest not minding/neutral/not thinking about it. Experience from my surroundings kinda align with that (men are more involved in the matter, women less so).
On November 10 2022 01:21 zatic wrote: It's as official as it gets. Also they have been building defensive lines on the east bank for weeks now.
The question is how orderly this retreat can be possibly be. Expect large amounts of military material and washing machines be left behind.
Most likely would be to garrison the city and have artillery with safe supply across the river. Then they force a large concentration to stop a break out while Ukraine has no real need for taking the city since it doesn't enable further campaigns, "just" frees up troops.
Bridges are not in the city, they are few kilometers to the east of it. Villages near the brisge have been partially destroyed during the both initial capture of Kherson and subsequent AFU bombardments. So there is no safe route from within the city itself to the other bank.
The Russian-installed deputy governor of Kherson, Kirill Stremousov, has been killed in a car crash, local officials and media say.
He was one of the most prominent proponents of the Russian occupation and became known for aggressive statements on social media.
Stremousov, who was Ukrainian, was wanted for treason by the Ukrainian police.
Kherson's Russian-appointed governor Vladimir Saldo said his deputy had been killed - but Ukrainian officials have expressed scepticism about the reports, which cannot be independently verified.
Mr Saldo added that the dead official had left behind five children, and he had a sixth on the way.
Interfax news agency quoted officials as saying the crash happened on a road between Kherson city and Armyansk, a town to the south-east in Russian-annexed Crimea.
Hours after the reports of Mr Stremousov's death, Russian Defence Ministry Sergey Shoygu ordered the withdrawal of Russian troops from the western bank of the Dnipro river, meaning they are leaving Kherson city.
The Russian-installed deputy governor of Kherson, Kirill Stremousov, has been killed in a car crash, local officials and media say.
He was one of the most prominent proponents of the Russian occupation and became known for aggressive statements on social media.
Stremousov, who was Ukrainian, was wanted for treason by the Ukrainian police.
Kherson's Russian-appointed governor Vladimir Saldo said his deputy had been killed - but Ukrainian officials have expressed scepticism about the reports, which cannot be independently verified.
Mr Saldo added that the dead official had left behind five children, and he had a sixth on the way.
Interfax news agency quoted officials as saying the crash happened on a road between Kherson city and Armyansk, a town to the south-east in Russian-annexed Crimea.
Hours after the reports of Mr Stremousov's death, Russian Defence Ministry Sergey Shoygu ordered the withdrawal of Russian troops from the western bank of the Dnipro river, meaning they are leaving Kherson city.
Dunno if BBC has photos (blocked), here are couple photos from the crash site https://t.me/voenacher/32942 Jusging by the road sign, it happened few kilometers south of Nova Kahovka (where the hydropowerplant on the Dniepr is).
The Russian-installed deputy governor of Kherson, Kirill Stremousov, has been killed in a car crash, local officials and media say.
He was one of the most prominent proponents of the Russian occupation and became known for aggressive statements on social media.
Stremousov, who was Ukrainian, was wanted for treason by the Ukrainian police.
Kherson's Russian-appointed governor Vladimir Saldo said his deputy had been killed - but Ukrainian officials have expressed scepticism about the reports, which cannot be independently verified.
Mr Saldo added that the dead official had left behind five children, and he had a sixth on the way.
Interfax news agency quoted officials as saying the crash happened on a road between Kherson city and Armyansk, a town to the south-east in Russian-annexed Crimea.
Hours after the reports of Mr Stremousov's death, Russian Defence Ministry Sergey Shoygu ordered the withdrawal of Russian troops from the western bank of the Dnipro river, meaning they are leaving Kherson city.
Dunno if BBC has photos (blocked), here are couple from the crash site https://t.me/voenacher/32942 Jusging by the road sign, it happened few kilometers south of Nova Kahovka (where the hydropowerplant on the Dniepr is).
Russian media claim regarding the accident- “The accident occurred, probably due to the fact that the driver of the car in which Stremousov was, lost control and collided with a truck. The truck driver is believed to have been at fault for the fatal accident.”
Russia has reportedly lost over 700 men in combat just in the Donetsk region yesterday. One has to wonder what the strategy for Russia is here, they have been pulling conscripts from everywhere minus the cities of St. Petersburg, and Moscow. But everywhere else, especially in the East, is where the economy is. So the more wounded and dead that pile up means bigger and bigger economic shocks etc. For the two untouchable cities in the West...
Ukraine's military says more than 700 Russian troops were killed during a single day of war.
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said in a Facebook post on Tuesday that a total of 710 Russian soldiers had been "eliminated." Ukraine said that a significant number of Russians were killed in the Donetsk region. The "greatest losses" were said to be near the city of Avdiivka and in Bakhmut, which Russian forces have been battling to capture for months.
Ukraine also claimed the destruction of 15 Russian tanks, 24 armored vehicles, nine artillery systems, four tactical drones, one anti-aircraft system and one airplane on Tuesday. Newsweek has not independently verified any of the Ukrainian figures.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky described the fighting in Donetsk, which Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed to have annexed for Russia in September, as "especially difficult" on Tuesday. He said that the Russian military was continuing its push to capture the entirety of the region despite its own troops suffering "extremely" heavy losses.
"The activity of the occupiers there remains at an extremely high level—dozens of attacks every day," Zelensky said during his nightly televised address. "They suffer extremely large-scale losses, but their order has not changed—to reach the administrative border of the Donetsk region. We do not give up a single centimeter of our land there."
Ukrainian resistance has meant that the Russian military has recently made "little to no progress" on the Donetsk front lines, according to a Tuesday report from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), which cites Russian media and Telegram posts.
The ISW report also claims that Russian casualties in parts of the region "are much more severe" than what the Russian military has been willing to disclose.
On Monday, a letter purportedly from Russia's 155th Guards Naval Infantry Brigade claimed that around 300 members of the unit were lost last week—including those "killed, wounded, and missing"—during an "incomprehensible" attack on the Donetsk village of Pavlivka.
"The district command together with [the brigade commander] are hiding this...for fear of accountability," the letter claimed. "They don't care about anything other than showing off. They call people meat."
Russian officials disputed the claim, prompting Zelensky to assert that the region is "littered" with the bodies of Russian soldiers and accuse Moscow of ordering officials to "lie" about the situation.
"The Donetsk region remains the epicenter of the greatest madness of the occupiers—they die by the hundreds every day," Zelensky said on Monday. "The ground in front of the Ukrainian positions is literally littered with the bodies of the occupiers."
Ukraine claims that at least 77,170 Russian troops have been killed since the invasion began on February 24. Russia has rarely publicly shared its own figures on troop deaths, while those that have been released have been far lower than Ukrainian estimates.
In September, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu claimed that fewer than 5,937 Russian troops had been killed since the beginning of the war, according to Reuters. Ukraine claimed to have killed over 55,000 Russian troops at the time.
Newsweek reached out to the Russian Ministry of Defense for comment.
Sadly, those kinds casualties are sustainable for a very long time, if the will is there. In WW1, Germany had on average about 1300 military deaths a day, out of a population of 65 million. And this was kept up for 4 years.
700 on the worst day is something that Russia can probably potentially keep up forever.
Edit: And even with the highest number of Russian deaths i have seen (77k), we only get about 300 deaths a day. Which is obviously horrific and a tragedy, but also something that Russia can do for decades.
I don't think you are right. This is not about replacing soldiers, it is about political capital and goodwill. That is a sparse resource in this war, and it will diminish stadily as the body bags keep piling up. The initial plan was for a quick strike and victory for a reason.
I see huge intellectual decline here. Even if Russia decided to be good from tomorrow, it would take decades to get some of population educated and properly thinking. Problem of Russia isn't that it needs more land (they won't get Ukraine). Instead, it's that education is bad (too much TV brainwashing going on) and democracy is at very low level. "Be silent and live your life" seems to be lifestyle over there based on what I've seen so far. It's disgusting to me listen to people like the ones from interview above, it's like I'm listening to Goebbels or some nazi bs.
I see intellectual decline when a person doesn't know about biased samples
Nice try, I see your feelings are hurt but I consider myself educated enough about Russia's geopolitical history starting from Soviet times. To the point, I rarely miss 1420's interviews and even when interviews are in Moscow there are still a lot of people who prefer to stay silent (or say "I'm not into politics" which is probably the same most of the time). Yes, rural Russians seem more patriotic, less knowledgeable about the external world but it's not like you don't see such people in Moscow where they say "for the motherland!" and that war against Ukraine is "right". Also, Russia isn't just Moscow and Saints Petersburg so it doesn't make me any less disgusted if video is outside these 2 cities.
-so, watching all 1420's video makes you confident about sociology and education level in Russia? Congrats, that's how propaganda works
I know it isn't what you said, but do you think 1420 videos are propaganda and if so, how do they manage to still make this content?
-I've seen a gradual increase in biasedness of their videos in time. What they currently do is almost 100% playing with the general narratives of western media on Russia. I dont think they are paid for it (other than Youtube monetization); my guess is that is due to some sort of positive feedback loop - as they tune to the viewpoints of their audience
>>how do they manage to still make this content? Imho, you overestimate the strictness of media regulation here. There are plently of critics of government, MoD, Putin, on Youtube and Telegram channels, which have become an important news sources here. A channel with a relatively small Russian audience, like their, is unlikely to get serious problems with law. Just as an example - most of Ukrainian media have Russian-language Telegram channels, which are freely available here.
And what is that narrative? That the bulk of Russians either openly support or at least don't mind the war?
Levada's polls few months ago were showing something about 15-20% pro-war, 15-20% against and the rest not minding/neutral/not thinking about it. Experience from my surroundings kinda align with that (men are more involved in the matter, women less so).
Also yes, AFRF is withdrawing from Kherson, order is publicly given by Shoigu. I only wonder if it was military or political decision.
Is this poll before mobilisation? If so, I'm not sure if it's relevant anymore. I'm guessing people became more opinionated when war became personal (mobilisation).
@Some previous post I don't think that you can compare Russia's defense from WW2 to invasion of Ukraine. People's motivation during WW2 was to protect their country, while invasion of Ukraine is simply an act of aggression. That's my own opinion at least. I don't think Russia can pull the same numbers as they did against nazis unless they get invaded.
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