EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 308
| Forum Index > General Forum |
NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets. Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source. | ||
|
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
| ||
|
Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
| ||
|
Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
You also need to be prepared to shoot any and all anti-air assets in, and outside the area that may impact your ability to enforce the no-fly zone. This includes ground targets within Belarus. | ||
|
Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
| ||
|
Nouar
France3270 Posts
On November 16 2022 05:28 Vindicare605 wrote: So Russia has to come out and immediately apologize for this right? That's their only out. If they don't immediately walk this back and offer up some kind of explanation and give up some officers that are responsible, then NATO doesn't have a choice but to retaliate right? NATO has nothing to do if Poland doesn't trigger article 5. It hasn't yet. It probably won't. Russia probably won't acknowledge or apologize. Source : me, not having been called back to work (yet). Maybe article 4. The worst that can happen in my mind would be Poland notifying (through art 4) that it would take retaliatory measures (shooting missile launch sites) on its own. Russia probably wouldnt clearly retaliate (otherwise art 5). But I'm willing to bet it won't even go that far. | ||
|
hitthat
Poland2310 Posts
On November 16 2022 05:32 Nouar wrote: Maybe article 4. The worst that can happen in my mind would be Poland notifying (through art 4) that it would take retaliatory measures (shooting missile launch sites) on its own. Russia probably wouldnt clearly retaliate (otherwise art 5). But I'm willing to bet it won't even go that far. Not critical infrastructure. Response will be limited. I'm sure WP would retaliate if ammo depot or fuel depot would be striken, but its not the case. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28736 Posts
Russia's defence ministry on Tuesday denied reports that Russian missiles had hit Polish territory, describing them as "a deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation". It added in a statement: "No strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border were made by Russian means of destruction." Wreckage reportedly found at the scene "has nothing to do with Russian weapons", it said. | ||
|
Sent.
Poland9269 Posts
On November 16 2022 05:28 Vindicare605 wrote: So Russia has to come out and immediately apologize for this right? That's their only out. If they don't immediately walk this back and offer up some kind of explanation and give up some officers that are responsible, then NATO doesn't have a choice but to retaliate right? Russian Ministry of Defence already called it a "provocation intended to escalate tensions". I don't think they're even considering apologizing. | ||
|
Liquid`Drone
Norway28736 Posts
| ||
|
Sent.
Poland9269 Posts
 | ||
|
Nouar
France3270 Posts
| ||
|
hitthat
Poland2310 Posts
On November 16 2022 05:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: Doesn't really seem like we're about to get any apology. Predictable like action in porn movie. | ||
KwarK
United States43483 Posts
On November 16 2022 03:46 hitthat wrote: Too little to retaliate, too much to ignore. Poland can get directly involved without full NATO. Nothing stopping them from going 1 on 1 with Russia if they think they can take them. Absolutely zero reason for them to think they can’t right now. They can also fight anywhere in Ukraine without technically invading Russia so they could likely still do so under the NATO aegis. | ||
|
hitthat
Poland2310 Posts
| ||
|
plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
| ||
|
Dan HH
Romania9155 Posts
On November 16 2022 03:47 Simberto wrote: Yeah, one has to wonder if that isn't possibly intentional. Putin loves to do stupid power games like that. This isn't a power move though, it's a massive blunder. Russia needed the western public to pay less and less attention to the war and more of it on energy/food bills. This is trying to tip toe around someone falling asleep, tripping and knocking over the TV. | ||
|
KwarK
United States43483 Posts
On November 16 2022 06:29 plasmidghost wrote: Could this have been deliberate? And Russia tries to deny it like usual https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1592616005851054080 I think it’s fair to say they didn’t trip over and land on the launch button. Either they deliberately launched inaccurate missiles targeting a wide area including Poland or they deliberately launched accurate missiles at Poland. In either case they aimed at Poland. | ||
|
Gorsameth
Netherlands22063 Posts
| ||
|
Artesimo
Germany567 Posts
On November 16 2022 06:29 plasmidghost wrote: Could this have been deliberate? And Russia tries to deny it like usual https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1592616005851054080 Right in the responses: | ||
|
maybenexttime
Poland5741 Posts
| ||
| ||
