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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 29 2022 11:57 GMT
#4981
Other than Chaos is good I don’t really understand why anyone would bomb the Nordstream pipelines. USA doesn’t need to be so crass as to blow it up, it already has enough political power.

Russia doesn’t seem to directly benefit but I would have thought they would be much better served bombing other pipelines to force Nordstream into use and lifting of sanctions.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22062 Posts
September 29 2022 12:02 GMT
#4982
bombing other pipelines would be a major escalation from Russia. It would be a much more direct attack against the West then anything they have done before.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5740 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-29 13:15:27
September 29 2022 13:15 GMT
#4983
There are rumours that Belarus is planning to join the war:


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 29 2022 13:18 GMT
#4984
On September 29 2022 22:15 maybenexttime wrote:
There are rumours that Belarus is planning to join the war:

https://twitter.com/PavelLatushka/status/1575450978685444104
https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1575472167201931264


That would be a gift to Ukraine as the Military of Belarus has made clear they will not be 100% pro war.... that how will Belarus not have the same outcome that Russia had? Unless they have more modern forces, which I find hard to believe.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11721 Posts
September 29 2022 13:46 GMT
#4985
But why? Why would Belarus do that? Especially after seeing how Putins army gets fucked up?

Though i guess Lukaschenka only rules due to Putins support.
Ardias
Profile Joined January 2014
Russian Federation617 Posts
September 29 2022 13:48 GMT
#4986
Somebody previously was saying that Prigozhin's recruitment video was like straight from Warhammer 40k universe.
Well, here are the photos of the Russian BTR-82 turret somewhere in Ukraine
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading]

Transcript: "Страдание наша молитва. Вера наша броня"
"Во тьме среди звезд нет спасения слабым и неверующим"
Translation: "Suffering is our prayer. Faith is our armor"
"In the darkness among the stars there is no salvation for the weak and unbelieving"
Mess with the best or die like the rest.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5740 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-29 13:54:41
September 29 2022 13:52 GMT
#4987
So not Orks but Chaos Space Marines?

@Simberto & CB

If the rumours are true, I'm guessing Putin gave Lukashenko an ultimatum: either we send our troops to Ukraine together or I'm sending my newly mobilised troops into Belarus and take over.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 29 2022 14:53 GMT
#4988
It could just be a diplomatic ruse to force Ukraine to divert more troops to the Belarus border. Even if Belarus doesn't join the war, that would already be a gain for Russia
Bora Pain minha porra!
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1399 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-29 22:57:24
September 29 2022 15:02 GMT
#4989
On September 29 2022 19:51 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2022 19:22 Ardias wrote:
On September 29 2022 19:11 pmh wrote:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/28/7369512/

This is not the classical Russian propaganda news organization from the cold war. It is not operated by the Russian state directly or indirectly (as far as i know,feel free to correct me).

This would be a quiet a development. Because apparently preperations in moscow for an announcement and festivities where already beeing made. Not sure how much weight to put to this reporting and what this actually does mean but it seems that the most escelating scenario is off the table for now?

Well nvm lol,it seems the anouncement will go ahead as planned. This website i guess is not that reliable.

I can only say that this site is definetly not pro-Russian, simply because it's blocked for me without VPN,

However their info is incorrect, tomorrow there will be signing of the treaties of acceptance of the new territories within Russia, even ahead of parliament voting.
https://ria.ru/20220929/rossiya-1820292553.html

They also building up stages on the streets of Moscow, guess there is some kind of meeting or announcement either tomorrow or in coming days.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/65530

That website is full of Kremlin propaganda. Can you access any website ending with ".ua"? Maybe it's a blanket ban.


The link i got from reddit wordnews. Reddit does not allow Russian propaganda websites to be linked i think?


Either way,i dont think this site is a great source so i wont linkt it again.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5740 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-29 15:33:53
September 29 2022 15:33 GMT
#4990
I think r/Europe has a simple blanket ban on sites ending with ".ru". Dunno about Worldnews.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-29 16:19:52
September 29 2022 16:17 GMT
#4991
Keep in mind S. Korea already has to replenish Tanks for Poland etc. Along with other armaments. So what this will consist of is anyone's guess.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5740 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-29 16:34:24
September 29 2022 16:34 GMT
#4992
They're sending Flash. ;-)
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
September 29 2022 16:36 GMT
#4993
Unsure why Russia would destroy the pipeline that they control.
"We didnt listen"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14076 Posts
September 29 2022 16:39 GMT
#4994
On September 29 2022 15:19 mounteast0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2022 14:38 Sermokala wrote:
On September 29 2022 13:01 gobbledydook wrote:
I think it's irrelevant the exact scope of the annexation.
It's an excuse for Russia to mobilize.
It also makes things a lot more dangerous since it is now harder for Russia to exit the war. We don't know what Putin will do if he gets too desperate.

Mobilization is him getting desperate. Bombing ns1 to stop a coup is getting desperate.

Going to war in the first place was getting desperate back in 2014. He's shown he's past any sort of diplomatic solution so the only way things end is when either Ukraine or Russia collapses.

The only way Russia exits the war is if they exit crimea and the occupied territories. Anything less is appeasement.



Is there anything to support the bold part? I genuine do not have a clue on this one. I am not that naive to believe that Putin have no enemy in Russia or no one is want to eye for his position, but Putin will have to be really desperate to do that. Even though I believe there is "easier" solution to potential coup. But I might be missing something.

No one knows anything but It seems like the most credible theory. Anyone coupling Putin will be able to use turning the pipe back on as a way to pay off any dissidents or to stabilize the economy. Taking away that option means one less thing any coup attempt could use to gain support.

Beacuse I can get that using it as a threat to the norway-poland gas pipe that just went online a week ago, NS1 isn't in use and wouldn't be an active attack to the gas situation, but NS1 was the whole shitck that russia was going to use to blackmail a theoretical Europe that freezes in winter.

If Putin was couped and the people who did it offered to reopen the tap in exchange for a ceasefire/withdrawl and a peace conference to decide the issue diplomatically you know Germany would do it in a second.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
September 29 2022 16:59 GMT
#4995
Hot takes Sermokala, I love it honestly. lets hope we get to see who actually did this. I stand by what I said.
"We didnt listen"
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-29 16:59:37
September 29 2022 16:59 GMT
#4996
Nordstream might be gone for good. Holy...

A complete flooding of seawater is corroding the inner coating too quickly. Most likely the pipelines can't be repaired.

Eine Reparatur der Pipeline wird in Sicherheitskreisen mittlerweile als sehr unwahrscheinlich bezeichnet. Da die beschädigten Röhren derzeit mit Meerwasser vollliefen, korrodiere die spezielle Innenbeschichtung sehr schnell, hieß es in Berlin. Wenn die Röhren einmal geflutet seien, so die Analyse, sei die Pipeline nicht mehr zum Durchleiten von Gas zu verwenden.


www.spiegel.de
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 29 2022 17:05 GMT
#4997
On September 29 2022 21:02 Gorsameth wrote:
bombing other pipelines would be a major escalation from Russia. It would be a much more direct attack against the West then anything they have done before.


Sure, but you can understand a gamble that with some form of plausible deniability that the west isn’t going to get militarily involved as a response.

If Putin desperately needed the money from more gas sales I can imagine it’s a gamble he would take, but I don’t get bombing Nordstream.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 29 2022 17:22 GMT
#4998
Winter is coming, russia started its attack on the end of the previous one. They have roughly 4-5 weeks before its real start, and i don't believe they have anywhere enough equipment to withstand it.
We're probably going to see the 300k soldiers march to war sooner than later to make something happens before that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
September 29 2022 17:24 GMT
#4999
On September 30 2022 01:59 r00ty wrote:
Nordstream might be gone for good. Holy...

A complete flooding of seawater is corroding the inner coating too quickly. Most likely the pipelines can't be repaired.

Show nested quote +
Eine Reparatur der Pipeline wird in Sicherheitskreisen mittlerweile als sehr unwahrscheinlich bezeichnet. Da die beschädigten Röhren derzeit mit Meerwasser vollliefen, korrodiere die spezielle Innenbeschichtung sehr schnell, hieß es in Berlin. Wenn die Röhren einmal geflutet seien, so die Analyse, sei die Pipeline nicht mehr zum Durchleiten von Gas zu verwenden.


www.spiegel.de

10 billion euros and 3 years of building through the Baltic Sea.... oof.
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14076 Posts
September 29 2022 17:43 GMT
#5000
On September 30 2022 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Keep in mind S. Korea already has to replenish Tanks for Poland etc. Along with other armaments. So what this will consist of is anyone's guess.

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1575508099040960514

South Korea low key has been having a thriving defence industry recently. They make a lot of heavy vehicles that compete directly against American products. That the US is funding them like this is a MASSIVE deal.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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