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On October 22 2024 01:09 KT_Elwood wrote:You presented plans for gaza wich is an active combat zone and staging ground for terrorists attack on israel. Now you switch to a differnt problem Show nested quote +On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Negationnists don't see gaz chambers either and you're the living proof dezanification is a myth as you and your people massively support a genocide committed by a supremacist society.
Israelis should be educated to learn to treat palestinians as human beings.
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it Weird. If germans are the experts on genocide.. and don't see one going on.. then why don't take my word for it? De-Nazifaktion is a pragmatic term for how germany was transformed from a centralistic authoritarian state with a racist supremacist ideolgy of national socialism to a federal republic embracing democracy, freedom and free markets, personal wealth. Was a huge undertaking, transformed the FRG/BRD into the first line of defense against the commies. Palestinians are treated as human beings wanting the death of all jews. They get bombed, like the Nazis did. Jews and Zionisist wanted to go back to their ancestoral home because they lived through centuries of antisemitism in Europe, with the holocaust marking the peak in cruelty. They wanted their own state, back in their home. And boom back they were. They established themselves like human settlers did all over the globe for all time.. by numbers, technological and cultural supremacy. That's how the modern human from africa displaced the neanderthal. See the problem we here in the thread, if I may be so bold, have is not that Israel exists. Israel certainly has a right to exist and it isn't, and shouldn't, go away.
But Israel isn't staying within its borders. In fact its borders keep constantly expanding as new illegal settlements crop up and are later integrated into the state.
And I don't think you want to be drawing parallels between the modern human israeli's and the neanderthal Palestinians being replaced to this day, every day in the West bank and apparently in Gaza in the near future.
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On October 22 2024 02:07 KT_Elwood wrote:
I don't defend Colonialism, I just accept that it is a fact.
See there's no content in that sentence because nobody has any issue with accepting that colonialism is a fact, so you're not bringing anything to the conversation. The part that you were bringing was the "They established themselves like human settlers did all over the globe for all time", which seemed to clearly imply that you think it's a normal thing to do. But you don't defend colonialism, so that's not what you meant; what did you mean?
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On October 22 2024 01:09 KT_Elwood wrote:You presented plans for gaza wich is an active combat zone and staging ground for terrorists attack on israel. Now you switch to a differnt problem Show nested quote +On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Negationnists don't see gaz chambers either and you're the living proof dezanification is a myth as you and your people massively support a genocide committed by a supremacist society.
Israelis should be educated to learn to treat palestinians as human beings.
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it Weird. If germans are the experts on genocide.. and don't see one going on.. then why don't take my word for it? De-Nazifaktion is a pragmatic term for how germany was transformed from a centralistic authoritarian state with a racist supremacist ideolgy of national socialism to a federal republic embracing democracy, freedom and free markets, personal wealth. Was a huge undertaking, transformed the FRG/BRD into the first line of defense against the commies. Palestinians are treated as human beings wanting the death of all jews. They get bombed, like the Nazis did. Jews and Zionisist wanted to go back to their ancestoral home because they lived through centuries of antisemitism in Europe, with the holocaust marking the peak in cruelty. They wanted their own state, back in their home. And boom back they were. They established themselves like human settlers did all over the globe for all time.. by numbers, technological and cultural supremacy. That's how the modern human from africa displaced the neanderthal.
Despite a mountain pile of evidence you remain a negationnist who endorses colonialism and I am supposed to believe you're not ike your grandpa ?
And according to your view of prehistory, palestinians are following the path of neanderthal with sapiens aka the zionists having cu'tural supremacy and removing them ?
Seems like you're indeed a genocide apologist based on race.
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On October 22 2024 02:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 01:09 KT_Elwood wrote:You presented plans for gaza wich is an active combat zone and staging ground for terrorists attack on israel. Now you switch to a differnt problem On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Negationnists don't see gaz chambers either and you're the living proof dezanification is a myth as you and your people massively support a genocide committed by a supremacist society.
Israelis should be educated to learn to treat palestinians as human beings.
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it Weird. If germans are the experts on genocide.. and don't see one going on.. then why don't take my word for it? De-Nazifaktion is a pragmatic term for how germany was transformed from a centralistic authoritarian state with a racist supremacist ideolgy of national socialism to a federal republic embracing democracy, freedom and free markets, personal wealth. Was a huge undertaking, transformed the FRG/BRD into the first line of defense against the commies. Palestinians are treated as human beings wanting the death of all jews. They get bombed, like the Nazis did. Jews and Zionisist wanted to go back to their ancestoral home because they lived through centuries of antisemitism in Europe, with the holocaust marking the peak in cruelty. They wanted their own state, back in their home. And boom back they were. They established themselves like human settlers did all over the globe for all time.. by numbers, technological and cultural supremacy. That's how the modern human from africa displaced the neanderthal. See the problem we here in the thread, if I may be so bold, have is not that Israel exists. Israel certainly has a right to exist and it isn't, and shouldn't, go away. But Israel isn't staying within its borders. In fact its borders keep constantly expanding as new illegal settlements crop up and are later integrated into the state. And I don't think you want to be drawing parallels between the modern human israeli's and the neanderthal Palestinians being replaced to this day, every day in the West bank and apparently in Gaza in the near future.
Does Israel have a right to exist? Is it something they could lose? As in can it be taken from them like one's rights and freedoms can be taken from a criminal?
I don't know that we should accept at face value that "Israel has a right to exist". It's at least worth further examination imo.
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On October 22 2024 04:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 02:14 Gorsameth wrote:On October 22 2024 01:09 KT_Elwood wrote:You presented plans for gaza wich is an active combat zone and staging ground for terrorists attack on israel. Now you switch to a differnt problem On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Negationnists don't see gaz chambers either and you're the living proof dezanification is a myth as you and your people massively support a genocide committed by a supremacist society.
Israelis should be educated to learn to treat palestinians as human beings.
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it Weird. If germans are the experts on genocide.. and don't see one going on.. then why don't take my word for it? De-Nazifaktion is a pragmatic term for how germany was transformed from a centralistic authoritarian state with a racist supremacist ideolgy of national socialism to a federal republic embracing democracy, freedom and free markets, personal wealth. Was a huge undertaking, transformed the FRG/BRD into the first line of defense against the commies. Palestinians are treated as human beings wanting the death of all jews. They get bombed, like the Nazis did. Jews and Zionisist wanted to go back to their ancestoral home because they lived through centuries of antisemitism in Europe, with the holocaust marking the peak in cruelty. They wanted their own state, back in their home. And boom back they were. They established themselves like human settlers did all over the globe for all time.. by numbers, technological and cultural supremacy. That's how the modern human from africa displaced the neanderthal. See the problem we here in the thread, if I may be so bold, have is not that Israel exists. Israel certainly has a right to exist and it isn't, and shouldn't, go away. But Israel isn't staying within its borders. In fact its borders keep constantly expanding as new illegal settlements crop up and are later integrated into the state. And I don't think you want to be drawing parallels between the modern human israeli's and the neanderthal Palestinians being replaced to this day, every day in the West bank and apparently in Gaza in the near future. Does Israel have a right to exist? Is it something they could lose? As in can it be taken from them like one's rights and freedoms can be taken from a criminal? I don't know that we should accept at face value that "Israel has a right to exist". It's at least worth further examination imo.
What other nations deserve this in your opinion?
And is this action based or because Israel has a particularly high percentage of capitalists?
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On October 22 2024 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it So you think the world would be a better place now if Germany had gotten the WWI treatment again? Not exactly a position that many people share. It also sounds a lot like you want to say present day Germany is a big problem somehow. Justifying that with something that happened more than 30 years before WWII. Should we have a look at all the atrocities France committed in their colonies too while we are at it? The difference is that they still weild a lot more influence over these countries than Germany does. Not necessarily to the benefit of these people...
Might not be popular but yes, I think the world will be safer if germany has been reverted back to its pre unification and it would have been fairer if israel has been implanted there rather than in a land of already colonized people. While nationalist french were morons who committed many crimes against humanity, they were rights when they thought that german unification will lead to disastrous wars. The militarization and racist pangermanic ideology could only led to disaster.
We're talking about the people who committed the greatest crime of the whole history, an industrial genocide and the pinnacle of deshumanization, at the very least, the countless victims deserved way better than the nuremberg trial but the big players, usa and ussr protected too much nazi criminals because of the cold war.
As for the herrero genocide, well, comparaison with the first genocide committed by the germans and the second one naturally occured within the historiography of the genocide as it derives from the same militarist and supremacist society obsessed with race.
Actually, if you're talking about France crimes, well, to my knowledge, we are the first nation which introduced systemic asphyxia against a civilian population when we burned the caves during the Algerian conquest, I found this info on a book of paul steinberg if I remember well, this genocide makes us devolving into what we were during the algerian war which is worrying as well.
Regardless, nazism took a lot to colonialism practises and seeing the vast majority germans cheering for what's happening in gaza makes me even more worried.
Indeed, if you follow the analogy of this dude whose opinions are strongly shared within german society : the germans see the palestinians as the neanderthals who are getting "displaced" by the "cultural supremacy" of sapiens aka Israël. To be fair, our radical outlet share the same stuff.
Does this line of thinking echo with another german dude with a similar superior race bs ? Neandertal, sapiens, this poster used literaly two different races of human beings as a comparaison of this conflict, one of this race has disappeared, it is utterly disgusting and this type of thinking is sadly a trend.
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I mean there is the slight problem that, idk I’m not a Jew from 1945 but I’m not sure I would have been enthusiastic in having a newly established enclave in that particular area
I don’t personally think establishing a state where other folks live based on an old, old ethnoreligious claim for a disparately spread group of people was ever the best of ideas.
I’ve long thought the morally courageous thing would have been for various countries to just stop being anti-Semitic shitbags to varying degrees and embrace their Jewish populations as part of the social fabric.
On the flipside to that, that people went through trauma that’s unfathomable to any modern reader. You can read as much as you want, have a great knowledge of the history but I mean, we haven’t lived anything remotely comparable. Would you take a ‘ok well this won’t happen again it’ll be fine’ versus the alternative of a Jewish state? I sure as fuck don’t blame many for going for the latter.
Going back to GH’s point I don’t think anyone really has some right to a homeland. Especially the older and more distant the claim is. If you’ve some diffuse population, the various constituent parts should be enfranchised and able to exercise whatever culture. Maybe over time your nation state changes (I envisage it taking a while but I may reside in Ireland one day, politically)
I mean it’s not like fucking up something in a database, reverting to an old backup and fixing it. There’s no rewind button to fix many historical inequities without causing more.
This does go the other way though in that to me Israel exists so, you can’t really rewind the clock on that.
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Kind of depends on what we mean by right to exist, probably? Like, most people who live in Israel now were born there and don't deserve to be sent out any more than Palestinians deserve to, so in that sense - which is imo the most natural and the best sense of the word -, Israel has a right to exist because Israelis have a right to live there. But that's not really going to stop at this point, there's going to be stipulations. Like, if I say sure, Israel has a right to exist as a place where Jews and (all) Palestinians live with equal rights under a democratic system, the person who asked about Israel's right to exist won't be satisfied, will they. They wanted me to recognize a Jewish state specifically. And then you end up talking not just about existence but about specific treatment of Jewish people in relation to non-Jewish people, and so on.
I kind of like how Ta-Nehisi Coates answered this question, I'm tempted to take the answer for myself. “No country in this world establishes its ability to exist through rights. Countries establish their abilities to exist through force, as America did. Israel does exist. It’s a fact. The question of its right is not a question I would be faced with, with any other country.”
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On October 22 2024 06:30 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it So you think the world would be a better place now if Germany had gotten the WWI treatment again? Not exactly a position that many people share. It also sounds a lot like you want to say present day Germany is a big problem somehow. Justifying that with something that happened more than 30 years before WWII. Should we have a look at all the atrocities France committed in their colonies too while we are at it? The difference is that they still weild a lot more influence over these countries than Germany does. Not necessarily to the benefit of these people... Might not be popular but yes, I think the world will be safer if germany has been reverted back to its pre unification and it would have been fairer if israel has been implanted there rather than in a land of already colonized people. While nationalist french were morons who committed many crimes against humanity, they were rights when they thought that german unification will lead to disastrous wars. The militarization and racist pangermanic ideology could only led to disaster. We're talking about the people who committed the greatest crime of the whole history, an industrial genocide and the pinnacle of deshumanization, at the very least, the countless victims deserved way better than the nuremberg trial but the big players, usa and ussr protected too much nazi criminals because of the cold war. As for the herrero genocide, well, comparaison with the first genocide committed by the germans and the second one naturally occured within the historiography of the genocide as it derives from the same militarist and supremacist society obsessed with race. Actually, if you're talking about France crimes, well, to my knowledge, we are the first nation which introduced systemic asphyxia against a civilian population when we burned the caves during the Algerian conquest, I found this info on a book of paul steinberg if I remember well, this genocide makes us devolving into what we were during the algerian war which is worrying as well. Regardless, nazism took a lot to colonialism practises and seeing the vast majority germans cheering for what's happening in gaza makes me even more worried. Indeed, if you follow the analogy of this dude whose opinions are strongly shared within german society : the germans see the palestinians as the neanderthals who are getting "displaced" by the "cultural supremacy" of sapiens aka Israël. To be fair, our radical outlet share the same stuff. Does this line of thinking echo with another german dude with a similar superior race bs ? Neandertal, sapiens, this poster used literaly two different races of human beings as a comparaison of this conflict, one of this race has disappeared, it is utterly disgusting and this type of thinking is sadly a trend.
Sees one German say some extreme things = all Germans are nazis/see Palestinians as neanderthals. Yeah, I won't bother with you. It's a good thing you never had to or will have to decide anything of note with how utterly blinded you are. Coming from a country where everyone sane has to band together to barely stop the popular fascists from getting into power every time there is an election as well.
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On October 22 2024 06:57 WombaT wrote:
I mean there is the slight problem that, idk I’m not a Jew from 1945 but I’m not sure I would have been enthusiastic in having a newly established enclave in that particular area
I don’t personally think establishing a state where other folks live based on an old, old ethnoreligious claim for a disparately spread group of people was ever the best of ideas.
I’ve long thought the morally courageous thing would have been for various countries to just stop being anti-Semitic shitbags to varying degrees and embrace their Jewish populations as part of the social fabric.
On the flipside to that, that people went through trauma that’s unfathomable to any modern reader. You can read as much as you want, have a great knowledge of the history but I mean, we haven’t lived anything remotely comparable. Would you take a ‘ok well this won’t happen again it’ll be fine’ versus the alternative of a Jewish state? I sure as fuck don’t blame many for going for the latter.
Going back to GH’s point I don’t think anyone really has some right to a homeland. Especially the older and more distant the claim is. If you’ve some diffuse population, the various constituent parts should be enfranchised and able to exercise whatever culture. Maybe over time your nation state changes (I envisage it taking a while but I may reside in Ireland one day, politically)
I mean it’s not like fucking up something in a database, reverting to an old backup and fixing it. There’s no rewind button to fix many historical inequities without causing more.
This does go the other way though in that to me Israel exists so, you can’t really rewind the clock on that.
After what the germans did, it wasn't morally sustainable to deny a state for the jews even if yes, zionist as a ideology centered around a ethnostate was problematic and has been discuted within the jew intelligentsia (plus a lot of zionists of the period used some antisemit tropes as well but anyway)
Putting it in germany would have been morally better than in palestine, that said, it is in palestine and it will continue to exist, the sole solution is to enforce sanctions to force Israël to stop treating palestinians as human animal and helping the emergence of a palestinian state rather than this weak, collaborationist and corrupt entity that is the PA. Refusing dignity to people will always make them act pretty badly, that's the strategy of the far right when they're worsening the condition against the immigrants.
On October 22 2024 07:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 06:30 stilt wrote:On October 22 2024 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it So you think the world would be a better place now if Germany had gotten the WWI treatment again? Not exactly a position that many people share. It also sounds a lot like you want to say present day Germany is a big problem somehow. Justifying that with something that happened more than 30 years before WWII. Should we have a look at all the atrocities France committed in their colonies too while we are at it? The difference is that they still weild a lot more influence over these countries than Germany does. Not necessarily to the benefit of these people... Might not be popular but yes, I think the world will be safer if germany has been reverted back to its pre unification and it would have been fairer if israel has been implanted there rather than in a land of already colonized people. While nationalist french were morons who committed many crimes against humanity, they were rights when they thought that german unification will lead to disastrous wars. The militarization and racist pangermanic ideology could only led to disaster. We're talking about the people who committed the greatest crime of the whole history, an industrial genocide and the pinnacle of deshumanization, at the very least, the countless victims deserved way better than the nuremberg trial but the big players, usa and ussr protected too much nazi criminals because of the cold war. As for the herrero genocide, well, comparaison with the first genocide committed by the germans and the second one naturally occured within the historiography of the genocide as it derives from the same militarist and supremacist society obsessed with race. Actually, if you're talking about France crimes, well, to my knowledge, we are the first nation which introduced systemic asphyxia against a civilian population when we burned the caves during the Algerian conquest, I found this info on a book of paul steinberg if I remember well, this genocide makes us devolving into what we were during the algerian war which is worrying as well. Regardless, nazism took a lot to colonialism practises and seeing the vast majority germans cheering for what's happening in gaza makes me even more worried. Indeed, if you follow the analogy of this dude whose opinions are strongly shared within german society : the germans see the palestinians as the neanderthals who are getting "displaced" by the "cultural supremacy" of sapiens aka Israël. To be fair, our radical outlet share the same stuff. Does this line of thinking echo with another german dude with a similar superior race bs ? Neandertal, sapiens, this poster used literaly two different races of human beings as a comparaison of this conflict, one of this race has disappeared, it is utterly disgusting and this type of thinking is sadly a trend. Sees one German say some extreme things = all Germans are nazis/see Palestinians as neanderthals. Yeah, I won't bother with you. It's a good thing you never had to or will have to decide anything of note with how utterly blinded you are. Coming from a country where everyone sane has to band together to barely stop the popular fascists from getting into power every time there is an election as well.
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Good to ignore the extreme things which the german press, police and politicians come up with. Being a palestinian author is enough to be censured in his country.
But thanks for not bothering me any further !
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On October 22 2024 07:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 06:30 stilt wrote:On October 22 2024 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it So you think the world would be a better place now if Germany had gotten the WWI treatment again? Not exactly a position that many people share. It also sounds a lot like you want to say present day Germany is a big problem somehow. Justifying that with something that happened more than 30 years before WWII. Should we have a look at all the atrocities France committed in their colonies too while we are at it? The difference is that they still weild a lot more influence over these countries than Germany does. Not necessarily to the benefit of these people... Might not be popular but yes, I think the world will be safer if germany has been reverted back to its pre unification and it would have been fairer if israel has been implanted there rather than in a land of already colonized people. While nationalist french were morons who committed many crimes against humanity, they were rights when they thought that german unification will lead to disastrous wars. The militarization and racist pangermanic ideology could only led to disaster. We're talking about the people who committed the greatest crime of the whole history, an industrial genocide and the pinnacle of deshumanization, at the very least, the countless victims deserved way better than the nuremberg trial but the big players, usa and ussr protected too much nazi criminals because of the cold war. As for the herrero genocide, well, comparaison with the first genocide committed by the germans and the second one naturally occured within the historiography of the genocide as it derives from the same militarist and supremacist society obsessed with race. Actually, if you're talking about France crimes, well, to my knowledge, we are the first nation which introduced systemic asphyxia against a civilian population when we burned the caves during the Algerian conquest, I found this info on a book of paul steinberg if I remember well, this genocide makes us devolving into what we were during the algerian war which is worrying as well. Regardless, nazism took a lot to colonialism practises and seeing the vast majority germans cheering for what's happening in gaza makes me even more worried. Indeed, if you follow the analogy of this dude whose opinions are strongly shared within german society : the germans see the palestinians as the neanderthals who are getting "displaced" by the "cultural supremacy" of sapiens aka Israël. To be fair, our radical outlet share the same stuff. Does this line of thinking echo with another german dude with a similar superior race bs ? Neandertal, sapiens, this poster used literaly two different races of human beings as a comparaison of this conflict, one of this race has disappeared, it is utterly disgusting and this type of thinking is sadly a trend. Sees one German say some extreme things = all Germans are nazis/see Palestinians as neanderthals. Yeah, I won't bother with you. It's a good thing you never had to or will have to decide anything of note with how utterly blinded you are. Coming from a country where everyone sane has to band together to barely stop the popular fascists from getting into power every time there is an election as well.
Considering what he said of his own country, I wouldn't be too offended by his opinion of contemporary Germany.
Acknowledging the Nazi past is part of what I was taught at school. As a Dutch kid we were taught that we were invaded by Germany, but there were plenty of collaborators, and overall the Dutch were not all that resistant. That's not to say there was no resistance, and as everywhere in Europe, the Germans acted as oppressors. But compared to Poland, or even Vichy France, the Dutch were not particularly combative. And that that's a part of our past is also something that we should carry with us as a warning to recognize when it might happen again. So rather than being reviled by stilt's opinion, maybe consider whether the AfD's rapid ascent is not maybe a part of what he's referring to. I myself am extremely worried about Wilders in my fatherland, even if I don't live there. And stilt is clearly not proud of the troubles his own country has with RN (and other fascists).
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On October 22 2024 08:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 07:23 justanothertownie wrote:On October 22 2024 06:30 stilt wrote:On October 22 2024 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it So you think the world would be a better place now if Germany had gotten the WWI treatment again? Not exactly a position that many people share. It also sounds a lot like you want to say present day Germany is a big problem somehow. Justifying that with something that happened more than 30 years before WWII. Should we have a look at all the atrocities France committed in their colonies too while we are at it? The difference is that they still weild a lot more influence over these countries than Germany does. Not necessarily to the benefit of these people... Might not be popular but yes, I think the world will be safer if germany has been reverted back to its pre unification and it would have been fairer if israel has been implanted there rather than in a land of already colonized people. While nationalist french were morons who committed many crimes against humanity, they were rights when they thought that german unification will lead to disastrous wars. The militarization and racist pangermanic ideology could only led to disaster. We're talking about the people who committed the greatest crime of the whole history, an industrial genocide and the pinnacle of deshumanization, at the very least, the countless victims deserved way better than the nuremberg trial but the big players, usa and ussr protected too much nazi criminals because of the cold war. As for the herrero genocide, well, comparaison with the first genocide committed by the germans and the second one naturally occured within the historiography of the genocide as it derives from the same militarist and supremacist society obsessed with race. Actually, if you're talking about France crimes, well, to my knowledge, we are the first nation which introduced systemic asphyxia against a civilian population when we burned the caves during the Algerian conquest, I found this info on a book of paul steinberg if I remember well, this genocide makes us devolving into what we were during the algerian war which is worrying as well. Regardless, nazism took a lot to colonialism practises and seeing the vast majority germans cheering for what's happening in gaza makes me even more worried. Indeed, if you follow the analogy of this dude whose opinions are strongly shared within german society : the germans see the palestinians as the neanderthals who are getting "displaced" by the "cultural supremacy" of sapiens aka Israël. To be fair, our radical outlet share the same stuff. Does this line of thinking echo with another german dude with a similar superior race bs ? Neandertal, sapiens, this poster used literaly two different races of human beings as a comparaison of this conflict, one of this race has disappeared, it is utterly disgusting and this type of thinking is sadly a trend. Sees one German say some extreme things = all Germans are nazis/see Palestinians as neanderthals. Yeah, I won't bother with you. It's a good thing you never had to or will have to decide anything of note with how utterly blinded you are. Coming from a country where everyone sane has to band together to barely stop the popular fascists from getting into power every time there is an election as well. Considering what he said of his own country, I wouldn't be too offended by his opinion of contemporary Germany. Acknowledging the Nazi past is part of what I was taught at school. As a Dutch kid we were taught that we were invaded by Germany, but there were plenty of collaborators, and overall the Dutch were not all that resistant. That's not to say there was no resistance, and as everywhere in Europe, the Germans acted as oppressors. But compared to Poland, or even Vichy France, the Dutch were not particularly combative. And that that's a part of our past is also something that we should carry with us as a warning to recognize when it might happen again. So rather than being reviled by stilt's opinion, maybe consider whether the AfD's rapid ascent is not maybe a part of what he's referring to. I myself am extremely worried about Wilders in my fatherland, even if I don't live there. And stilt is clearly not proud of the troubles his own country has with RN (and other fascists).
Of course the AFD is worrying. But people who act like stilt are exactly what they want from their opposition. Very easy to point at and claim how unreasonable the left is.
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You can't apply stuff I said about the war in gaza and lebanon on the settlers in the westbank.
That's just bad faith.
I also don't understand "Israel should have been in germany/All germans are nazis..AGAIN" rambling.
We have islamistic idiots in germany that, like their neonazi counterparts like to win some victim olympics.
"Help Help I am being opressed for coming to germany and ask to kill all jews, like it's some sensitive topic here!"
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On October 22 2024 15:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 08:16 Acrofales wrote:On October 22 2024 07:23 justanothertownie wrote:On October 22 2024 06:30 stilt wrote:On October 22 2024 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 21 2024 23:16 stilt wrote:
Allies were way too lenient toward the germans anyway, israel should have been there and not palestine as you did your best to genocide the jewish population and those 40 millions dead you committed remained without enough consequences
To be honest, the problem with the germans is way deeper than nazism, the herreros can testify of it So you think the world would be a better place now if Germany had gotten the WWI treatment again? Not exactly a position that many people share. It also sounds a lot like you want to say present day Germany is a big problem somehow. Justifying that with something that happened more than 30 years before WWII. Should we have a look at all the atrocities France committed in their colonies too while we are at it? The difference is that they still weild a lot more influence over these countries than Germany does. Not necessarily to the benefit of these people... Might not be popular but yes, I think the world will be safer if germany has been reverted back to its pre unification and it would have been fairer if israel has been implanted there rather than in a land of already colonized people. While nationalist french were morons who committed many crimes against humanity, they were rights when they thought that german unification will lead to disastrous wars. The militarization and racist pangermanic ideology could only led to disaster. We're talking about the people who committed the greatest crime of the whole history, an industrial genocide and the pinnacle of deshumanization, at the very least, the countless victims deserved way better than the nuremberg trial but the big players, usa and ussr protected too much nazi criminals because of the cold war. As for the herrero genocide, well, comparaison with the first genocide committed by the germans and the second one naturally occured within the historiography of the genocide as it derives from the same militarist and supremacist society obsessed with race. Actually, if you're talking about France crimes, well, to my knowledge, we are the first nation which introduced systemic asphyxia against a civilian population when we burned the caves during the Algerian conquest, I found this info on a book of paul steinberg if I remember well, this genocide makes us devolving into what we were during the algerian war which is worrying as well. Regardless, nazism took a lot to colonialism practises and seeing the vast majority germans cheering for what's happening in gaza makes me even more worried. Indeed, if you follow the analogy of this dude whose opinions are strongly shared within german society : the germans see the palestinians as the neanderthals who are getting "displaced" by the "cultural supremacy" of sapiens aka Israël. To be fair, our radical outlet share the same stuff. Does this line of thinking echo with another german dude with a similar superior race bs ? Neandertal, sapiens, this poster used literaly two different races of human beings as a comparaison of this conflict, one of this race has disappeared, it is utterly disgusting and this type of thinking is sadly a trend. Sees one German say some extreme things = all Germans are nazis/see Palestinians as neanderthals. Yeah, I won't bother with you. It's a good thing you never had to or will have to decide anything of note with how utterly blinded you are. Coming from a country where everyone sane has to band together to barely stop the popular fascists from getting into power every time there is an election as well. Considering what he said of his own country, I wouldn't be too offended by his opinion of contemporary Germany. Acknowledging the Nazi past is part of what I was taught at school. As a Dutch kid we were taught that we were invaded by Germany, but there were plenty of collaborators, and overall the Dutch were not all that resistant. That's not to say there was no resistance, and as everywhere in Europe, the Germans acted as oppressors. But compared to Poland, or even Vichy France, the Dutch were not particularly combative. And that that's a part of our past is also something that we should carry with us as a warning to recognize when it might happen again. So rather than being reviled by stilt's opinion, maybe consider whether the AfD's rapid ascent is not maybe a part of what he's referring to. I myself am extremely worried about Wilders in my fatherland, even if I don't live there. And stilt is clearly not proud of the troubles his own country has with RN (and other fascists). Of course the AFD is worrying. But people who act like stilt are exactly what they want from their opposition. Very easy to point at and claim how unreasonable the left is.
I thought you were supposed to not bother anymore.
Considering you're describing the neonazi bs this german poster spout under the vague designation of "extreme things", not sure you're the best suited to talk about fascism Mr enlightened.
Rather than pointing how unreasonnable the left is in this matter, I encourage centrists to do their own introspection, considering how they tend to ally themselves with the far right. Not only in the past but today as well : Macron with his tacite alliance with the RN is the sad example of this "peace for our time" mentality of a bunch which refuse to see and characterize the vile as they should.
But we are moving away to the subject : as expected, after the death of sinwar and the decapitation of Hamas, the slaughter continue https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cevyr97vrzzo.amp
Why does it still continue ? With such intensity ? If you believe israeli propaganda, the 30k hamas militants should all be dead, prisonners or wounded and if you don't and you think the death toll is way way higher then, that's the same conlusion.
It should be totally over.
But as always, western press to different degrees, will follow idf propaganda...
The human shields one is another... Indeed, after daily strikes into civilians population since more than one year, why would hamas (if you,re buying the fact it is still operating everywhere in gaza) would do still this ? Pretty obvious israelis don't mind killing palestinian civilians and that's a understatement, while the us don't give a fuck by percevering in their envoy of weapons.
All of these don't make any senses bar one explanation, that the israeli army is "cleaning and ordering" as would euphemized our "centrist" media.
I didn't bring the children's death by bullet, my precedent posts mention it anyway.
Oh, yet another proof https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/1432282/israel-des-militants-dextreme-droite-appellent-a-reconstruire-des-colonies-dans-gaza.html
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Mixing up the war against iranian proxies and what settlers do in westbank doesn't help.
If Israel has a right to exist, it should be allowed to defend itself. It usually does by shooting down rockets and mortar with iron dome.
But this is defeating some quassam-rocket Abdul welded with his feet, or a 20 dollar mortar shell with a 100,000 dollar missle. Now they are fed up and destroy the launch sites, staging grounds, infrastructure and leadership in a war.
Stopping somebody from killing you = right to exist.
As for colonalism and supremacy... my point is that there usually isn't an international police that stops people from migrating into other parts of the world and establish a society that will actively..or passivly displace whatever was there before if they have an advantage.
The modern human was of another race than the neanderthal, the modern human was superior and the neanderthal went away because:
Europeans were technologicly superior to other parts of the world, and conquered them. The colonial history of portugal,spain france, belgium, netherlands, germany.. and some little island called britain is as brutal as you can imagine.. and then some.
The iberian peninsula used to be islamic from 711 to 1492 -
So there was a supremacy in government.
Jews building their own state in ther ancestoral homeland.. which was occupied by the british.. was just a force of nature.. and since ther was no palestine state or government and britain didn't really fought it.... israel was founded into a vacuum.
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"Stopping somebody from killing you = right to exist."
Yes, we know. We know. If you threaten my family and kill my daughter, I have the right to kill you, your wife, your kids, your neighbors, your co-workers, your extended family, as well as destroy your apartment, your neighborhood, your district and your town. It's my right to exist.
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On October 22 2024 19:36 Magic Powers wrote:
"Stopping somebody from killing you = right to exist."
Yes, we know. We know. If you threaten my family and kill my daughter, I have the right to kill you, your wife, your kids, your neighbors, your co-workers, your extended family, as well as destroy your apartment, your neighborhood, your district and your town. It's my right to exist.
Establishing a right to exist begins with having babies and then nurturing the babies into childhood. Next, the civilization in question must develop those children into productive hard working young adults. Some of those young adults must die defending the nation. Any misstep along this path results in no country ... like Canada. As their Prime Minister stated .. Canada is a postnational state. Canada is an economic zone with arbitrary boundaries. Canada is not a country. Does it have the right to exist? I say, no it does not.
Let's relate this to South Korea. So, you can have all these theory talks you like about whether or not South Korea has a right to exist. You can yell and scream about how moral and right and just it is for South Korea to own the land they are on. However, if their birth rate continues to decline they'll get invaded and someone will take their land. They will have deserved it 100%. As it is happening NA will have millions of people throughout NA sticking South Korea Flags on their car windows. Almost none of them will travel to South Korea and be willing to die defending the country though. When South Korea goes 50+ years with a sub 0.5 birthrate that continues to decline ... does it have a right to exist? I say, no it does not.
Therefore, this entire "right to exist" debate is a baseless floating abstraction that does not deal in the essential conditions for a country's existence.
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I don't know what I just read and I hope I never have to read it again.
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On October 22 2024 22:32 Magic Powers wrote:
I don't know what I just read and I hope I never have to read it again.
Then your debate topic has no resolution because you never discuss it in terms of essentials. Have fun talking in circles man.
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On October 22 2024 22:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2024 22:32 Magic Powers wrote:
I don't know what I just read and I hope I never have to read it again. Then your debate topic has no resolution because you never discuss it in terms of essentials. Have fun talking in circles man.
There are plenty of ideas that randomly float around in my head that, after I have explored them more deeply, I don't take seriously and would thus never consider sharing. They never leave my head in their unrefined state because they're ridiculous. Your post is an example of such an unrefined, ridiculous idea.
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