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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
March 29 2020 19:09 GMT
#1781
On March 30 2020 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2020 03:08 BlueBird. wrote:
On March 30 2020 02:44 Starlightsun wrote:
My Mom lives in Florida and she said there's still huge influx of travelers both on planes and cruise ships. She said 29 flights per day from New York :/ Abysmal leadership to contain this.


Are there people on the planes? The rules that keep airlines their flight spots at airports mean they have to keep flying with zero passengers even. If anything so they can be at the airport where their next flight is scheduled. It all is completely wasteful and messed up. The airport here in PDX is really empty even with flights going in and out.

Can't speak to cruise ships.
The fact that hasn't been suspended during this crisis is mind boggling.

This has been suspended in Europe I believe, after the first 2/3 weeks.
NoiR
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-29 19:26:30
March 29 2020 19:12 GMT
#1782
That said, Germany numbers are really weirds to say the least.
Almost no casualities and they got from 6.9k infected daily to 2.9k ? I hope the info is delayed cuz 6.9k to 2.9 seems not realistic at all.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11514 Posts
March 29 2020 19:41 GMT
#1783
That last number is probably just because a day hasn't been counted completely. I have seen that a few times when the numbers for one day were really low, then they got bigger later on. If the latest day is weird, just ignore it.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
March 29 2020 20:08 GMT
#1784
Yep, it's kind of like if you've ever done an academic literature search-even if 2019 is "officially" complete it takes time for indexing to catch up. Same thing happens with case numbers.

The other thing that could happen is changes in testing availability/testing rules. Such shortfalls and policy changes are also going to be concentrated towards the end of the week.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
March 29 2020 20:26 GMT
#1785
On March 30 2020 04:12 stilt wrote:
That said, Germany numbers are really weirds to say the least.
Almost no casualities and they got from 6.9k infected daily to 2.9k ? I hope the info is delayed cuz 6.9k to 2.9 seems not realistic at all.

As funny as it may sound, a lot of German health departments aren't reporting numbers on Sundays, so there'll be a spike on Monday and Tuesday.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 29 2020 20:33 GMT
#1786
Number of reported cases falling in Spain/Italy could just be their health systems testing less people for various reason (people not wanting to go out, health systems priority changing, lack of personnel/meltdown of the chain of organisation.

Or not of course, but I'm a bit cautious for saying it's slowing down, if hospitalisation/eventually death fell I'd guess it would be a better indicators.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
March 29 2020 22:01 GMT
#1787
My parents are having an open, transparent dialogue with their tenants and one of them straight up said that they don’t intend to pay any accrued rent once the 6-month period is up.

Fucking hilarious

Gotta love how some people take advantage of the system at the cost of other honest-living people


I know that banks will negotiate a price with the homeowner over this period. But just so we’re clear: these tenants said that they’ll pay ZERO lol. That’s one way to live free for 6-months then spin the story that your landlords are the bad guys when they force eviction once it’s legal.
Skol
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11514 Posts
March 29 2020 22:08 GMT
#1788
Your parents have multiple tenants? I have a hard time feeling sympathy for the poor people who own multiple houses.

User was warned for this post
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
March 29 2020 22:16 GMT
#1789
My mom owns 3 homes that she rents out to tenants and has a building that she leases to a church and a papa johns.

Including our home, that’s 4 mortgages.

I told her at one point to slow down because this is a lot to manage. She also does realty and care Home patients.

That’s besides the point, people are scum. Evict them with a middle finger.
Skol
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11514 Posts
March 29 2020 22:19 GMT
#1790
Why should your tenants be the ones who carry the brunt of the burden of the crisis just because they are people who work as opposed to people who own for a living?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23237 Posts
March 29 2020 22:19 GMT
#1791
On March 30 2020 07:01 Emnjay808 wrote:
...some people take advantage of the system at the cost of other honest-living people


On March 30 2020 07:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
That’s besides the point, people are scum.


That's how the people I'm working with organizing a rent strike feel about landlords. I'm inclined to agree with them

User was warned for this post
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
March 29 2020 22:24 GMT
#1792
So you guys side with the ones who doesn’t want to negotiate how to pay for 6-months worth of rent (on average about 13k USD without government relief). We have other tenants who are keeping an open dialogue and going week to week with what the payments will look like. But one particular tenant just intends to live free and bounce and there’s literally nothing we can do.
Skol
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 29 2020 22:29 GMT
#1793
Go to another thread for landlords vs tenants talk.
KTY
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2394 Posts
March 29 2020 22:41 GMT
#1794
On March 30 2020 05:33 Nakajin wrote:
Number of reported cases falling in Spain/Italy could just be their health systems testing less people for various reason (people not wanting to go out, health systems priority changing, lack of personnel/meltdown of the chain of organisation.

Actually the number of tests has been up in Italy in the last few days, so it is indeed good news. Also, deaths were significantly down today vs the peak two days ago.

Portugal also has been ramping up tests and the curve seems to be bending. The scary thing about small countries is that if way bigger countries like Italy start having serious shortages in hospital capacity at 10k cases, I can't imagine how we would fare. So far its looking like we might avoid that fate.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-29 23:20:29
March 29 2020 23:20 GMT
#1795
Simberto is probably upset with ever increasing cost of houses, hence it's more and more difficult for each next generation to buy one. That's not helped by the fact that some people buy more houses than they need and they do it for profit purposes. Totally understandable.

GreenHorizons is upset because his mother depends on rent to pay for mortgage. If they don't pay, she'll probably be in trouble. Also understandable.

On a different topic, people suspect more and more that COVID-19 will be vulnerable to warmer temperature just like previous coronaviruses and the fact that flu usually hits in winter. The only exception is Spanish flu which peaked in summer. That's what I've learnt from here.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11514 Posts
March 29 2020 23:29 GMT
#1796
If the Virus is indeed susceptible to heat, that might not help large parts of the globe. Temperatures in Italy and Spain are currently higher then they will be here in Germany for at least another month or two, and that doesn't seem to stop the Virus.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 29 2020 23:37 GMT
#1797
On March 30 2020 08:20 SC-Shield wrote:
On a different topic, people suspect more and more that COVID-19 will be vulnerable to warmer temperature just like previous coronaviruses and the fact that flu usually hits in winter. The only exception is Spanish flu which peaked in summer. That's what I've learnt from here.

You linked an article that largely concluded that there's not likely to be much seasonality in this particular context as evidence that summer will cause it to dissipate? Because that's largely the conclusions it comes to, despite talking some about the virus's vulnerability to warmer temperatures. And, as a real world example: seems like there's plenty of virus to go around in the southern hemisphere and in places known for very warm temperatures as well. Iran, Israel, Brazil, Chile, South Africa, and Australia all certainly seem like they're getting their fair share of the virus despite having little resembling winter weather this time of year.

Frankly it seems like the best correlation to infection has been the density of air travel, which in fairness the article does point out as a key factor in its analysis.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-30 00:20:10
March 30 2020 00:00 GMT
#1798
On March 30 2020 08:37 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2020 08:20 SC-Shield wrote:
On a different topic, people suspect more and more that COVID-19 will be vulnerable to warmer temperature just like previous coronaviruses and the fact that flu usually hits in winter. The only exception is Spanish flu which peaked in summer. That's what I've learnt from here.

You linked an article that largely concluded that there's not likely to be much seasonality in this particular context as evidence that summer will cause it to dissipate? Because that's largely the conclusions it comes to, despite talking some about the virus's vulnerability to warmer temperatures. And, as a real world example: seems like there's plenty of virus to go around in the southern hemisphere and in places known for very warm temperatures as well. Iran, Israel, Brazil, Chile, South Africa, and Australia all certainly seem like they're getting their fair share of the virus despite having little resembling winter weather this time of year.

Frankly it seems like the best correlation to infection has been the density of air travel, which in fairness the article does point out as a key factor in its analysis.


You might be right, but the article also says:


Stopping contact between people should also bring down the infection rates. This is exactly what many governments have been attempting to do with the escalating lockdown of public places around the world.


So far I don't see infections declining despite lockdown. Why is that? The only possible explanation I have is asymptomatic people or people not following quarantine. It's been 2 weeks (!) on lockdown here and infections don't stop.

On March 30 2020 07:41 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2020 05:33 Nakajin wrote:
Number of reported cases falling in Spain/Italy could just be their health systems testing less people for various reason (people not wanting to go out, health systems priority changing, lack of personnel/meltdown of the chain of organisation.

Actually the number of tests has been up in Italy in the last few days, so it is indeed good news. Also, deaths were significantly down today vs the peak two days ago.

Portugal also has been ramping up tests and the curve seems to be bending. The scary thing about small countries is that if way bigger countries like Italy start having serious shortages in hospital capacity at 10k cases, I can't imagine how we would fare. So far its looking like we might avoid that fate.


I have a friend who's lived in Italy for more than 10 years. She says healthcare has been underfunded for years.

Edit: Also, here's an interesting thing that I've heard from head of Bulgarian coronavirus task force. He says that Spain messed up big time to buy quick tests (they cost millions allegedly) because they're only right about 30% of the time. He says that these tests are only good to be used after outbreak to see how many of the population have been infected. He seems to believe in other type of tests, which are slower but more reliable. I'm not sure how that type of test could be translated. He also says that he thinks a quick test with high confidence rate will be developed, but there isn't one at the moment.

And here's how we're doing at the moment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Bulgaria

Edit 2: I think patient 0 might never be found because that person could be asymptomatic. How can you find such a person...
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
March 30 2020 00:57 GMT
#1799
On March 30 2020 09:00 SC-Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2020 08:37 LegalLord wrote:
On March 30 2020 08:20 SC-Shield wrote:
On a different topic, people suspect more and more that COVID-19 will be vulnerable to warmer temperature just like previous coronaviruses and the fact that flu usually hits in winter. The only exception is Spanish flu which peaked in summer. That's what I've learnt from here.

You linked an article that largely concluded that there's not likely to be much seasonality in this particular context as evidence that summer will cause it to dissipate? Because that's largely the conclusions it comes to, despite talking some about the virus's vulnerability to warmer temperatures. And, as a real world example: seems like there's plenty of virus to go around in the southern hemisphere and in places known for very warm temperatures as well. Iran, Israel, Brazil, Chile, South Africa, and Australia all certainly seem like they're getting their fair share of the virus despite having little resembling winter weather this time of year.

Frankly it seems like the best correlation to infection has been the density of air travel, which in fairness the article does point out as a key factor in its analysis.


You might be right, but the article also says:

Show nested quote +

Stopping contact between people should also bring down the infection rates. This is exactly what many governments have been attempting to do with the escalating lockdown of public places around the world.


So far I don't see infections declining despite lockdown. Why is that? The only possible explanation I have is asymptomatic people or people not following quarantine. It's been 2 weeks (!) on lockdown here and infections don't stop.

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2020 07:41 warding wrote:
On March 30 2020 05:33 Nakajin wrote:
Number of reported cases falling in Spain/Italy could just be their health systems testing less people for various reason (people not wanting to go out, health systems priority changing, lack of personnel/meltdown of the chain of organisation.

Actually the number of tests has been up in Italy in the last few days, so it is indeed good news. Also, deaths were significantly down today vs the peak two days ago.

Portugal also has been ramping up tests and the curve seems to be bending. The scary thing about small countries is that if way bigger countries like Italy start having serious shortages in hospital capacity at 10k cases, I can't imagine how we would fare. So far its looking like we might avoid that fate.


I have a friend who's lived in Italy for more than 10 years. She says healthcare has been underfunded for years.

Edit: Also, here's an interesting thing that I've heard from head of Bulgarian coronavirus task force. He says that Spain messed up big time to buy quick tests (they cost millions allegedly) because they're only right about 30% of the time. He says that these tests are only good to be used after outbreak to see how many of the population have been infected. He seems to believe in other type of tests, which are slower but more reliable. I'm not sure how that type of test could be translated. He also says that he thinks a quick test with high confidence rate will be developed, but there isn't one at the moment.

And here's how we're doing at the moment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Bulgaria

Edit 2: I think patient 0 might never be found because that person could be asymptomatic. How can you find such a person...



It's slowing it down relative to what it would be without measures.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/physical-distancing-bc-covid19-coronavirus-1.5512269

If you look at the countries that have successfully or near successfully contained or slowed the virus, there's a drastic difference between South Korea, Australia, Canada etc and countries that did not implement measures like Spain/Italy.

There's a graph in the article which shows linear lines on a logarithmic graph. If it's linear, it's still growing exponentially, but the shallower the slope, the better you're containing it. It needs to have a decaying slope or else your health system will eventually be overwhelmed.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25372 Posts
March 30 2020 03:43 GMT
#1800
Argh, so fucking done. Having nothing else to do, working in retail, not currently getting to see kiddo I’ve been working 12 hour days since Monday, getting all our new temps up to speed and generally just grinding.

Asked for 2 weeks off unpaid as I need a break (I’m literally waking up and going straight back to work), and my kid’s mum’s worry (and me not seeing him currently) is largely that I’m out with the public.

Apparently can’t because we have too many people off, fuck sake, and I can’t hardball force it as I’m not in a high-risk category. A whole bunch took two weeks paid claiming they had asthma, some rather dubiously so I’m rather pissed off.
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