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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11515 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21689 Posts
On March 29 2020 02:40 Simberto wrote: Because this way he can gauge the reaction of his supporters and use that to influence his decision?Why is he telling us that he is thinking about doing something? Why not talk about it once you have decided? What is the point of "A decision will be made, one way or another, shortly."? Is that just to produce more fear and chaos? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12192 Posts
On March 29 2020 02:53 Gorsameth wrote: Because this way he can gauge the reaction of his supporters and use that to influence his decision? Not sure, there's nothing he could realistically say where the people in his twitter mentions would turn on him. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
I know this is far from the current “topic” ongoing, but I’m looking to see what others have been doing to maintain strength. I can only do so many push up challenges. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2620 Posts
On March 29 2020 05:20 Emnjay808 wrote: For the regular lifters here: how are u guys coping with no gym if you have no weights at home? I’m at the point of resorting to running to keep up with my calorie intake (no I can’t just eat less, I was previously on a 3.5-4k kcal diet). I’m already seeing serious atrophy on my upper body (which isn’t totally bad, aesthetically-wise). But my numbers are definitely gonna hurt when I return to the gym. I know this is far from the current “topic” ongoing, but I’m looking to see what others have been doing to maintain strength. I can only do so many push up challenges. Body-weight exercises are good and there are many more than just push ups. You can turn pretty much anything into a weight. Just get a bucket and fill it with heavy things (if you lift a lot you might need a sturdy bucket tho) for example. A standard bucket (5 gallons if google is correct) filled with sand or water is pretty heavy, about 20 kg or so. A large bottle of milk is pretty heavy for curls. You could always fill several smaller bags with sand and put them in a large bag as well. Luckily I'm primarily a runner so I don't miss my one outing at the gym that much and I have some weights at home as well. But there are quite a lot of things you can improvise. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5559 Posts
Another good exercise for legs is a one-legged hip thrust. You can also put some extra weight on your hips, but just switching to using only one leg makes a massive difference. For upper body, I do various kinds of push-ups and some improvised rowing. It seems impossible to find dumbbells anywhere. I was hoping to get a pair of adjustable 10 kgs (could be converted to 20 kg on one dumbbell). Could be used for shoulders, chest, rowing, curls etc. Very versatile. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On March 29 2020 02:38 Nevuk wrote: Trump is thinking about putting NY, NJ and CT into quarantine today (no idea what that really entails) https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243953994743103489 I'm very confused why the media is treating a potential 3 state lockdown as a problem and an illegal order. The media has spent the last couple weeks arguing that Trump is not doing enough to lock down the country. They have argued that it's up to the governors to shut things down since Trump isn't doing so. The NYT editorial board called for a nationwide lockdown. I'm watching CNN right now and they have guests pushing the view that a lockdown is ineffective and illegal. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On March 29 2020 08:23 LG)Sabbath wrote: What's the death rate in the US so far? worldometers.info doesn't have it I don't think the death rates in the US are very telling right now because most who are sick just got the virus - it takes a couple of weeks to die from it most of the time. And they have been very bad at testing too so that makes it even harder to tell I'd say. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On March 29 2020 07:25 JimmiC wrote: I have not been watching CNN, but there often seems to be this adversarial politics in the US where what ever position a key Dem or Rep takes the others takes the other side. If there was ever a time to put this we disagree on everything political theater aside it would seem like now is the time and they should be listening to what infectious disease specialists say to do and do that. Yeah the coronavirus is a pretty sad illustration of partisanship. Very funny example right here: | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On March 29 2020 08:23 LG)Sabbath wrote: What's the death rate in the US so far? worldometers.info doesn't have it But it has all the ingredients necessary to calculate it 2211 * 100 / 123313 = 1.79 | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
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On March 29 2020 08:39 Elroi wrote: I don't think the death rates in the US are very telling right now because most who are sick just got the virus - it takes a couple of weeks to die from it most of the time. And they have been very bad at testing too so that makes it even harder to tell I'd say. When the epidemic is already present, all these numbers are more or less irrelevant. Nobody knows how many are the sick people in their respective countries. If you don't know the number of infected people, you can't know the death rate either. We will know the death rate after this whole thing is over and when/if we count the total number of people who got the virus. Right now this whole "counting of the bodies" seems counter productive at best. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 29 2020 10:43 Pr0wler wrote: When the epidemic is already present, all these numbers are more or less irrelevant. Nobody knows how many are the sick people in their respective countries. If you don't know the number of infected people, you can't know the death rate either. We will know the death rate after this whole thing is over and when/if we count the total number of people who got the virus. Right now this whole "counting of the bodies" seems counter productive at best. I mean the US has added ~10-20k a day (just ramping up at about 1.5-2k more positives a day) for the last week. I'm expecting more than a thousand deaths a day by the middle of next week, and a continued rise for weeks after that. Having more cases than Spain and Italy combined (even if the death total won't catch up for a bit after), is not an enviable position to be in. The increased level of testing the US has done is commendable, but when all it does is highlight just how out of control it is, they needed to make hard decisions yesterday to just shut everything down. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
This map : https://www.google.com/covid19-map/ says US is at 2200 right now. Also, quarantine for NY/NJ/CT was backed off : | ||
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jack527
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Sharkies
Hong Kong92 Posts
On March 28 2020 11:28 LegalLord wrote: It's all well and good to say that China handled it well - and it's certainly hard to argue with that the lockdown significantly reduced the spread - but this seems a bit obtuse. Given 1. The alleged complete lack of community spread is a fully unrealistic assertion after the infection had already spread far and wide 2. China has already played with the numbers in the past by changing their criteria several times 3. Deciding to return to more lockdown-type conditions is inconsistent with everything being fully "under control" as claimed there is significant room to doubt the official narrative. It's true that a lack of access to Chinese language sources does present a barrier to better understanding of the situation, but you have not provided any insight based on that knowledge that would support a different conclusion. Sorry haven't tracked this thread for a few days so didn't pick this up till now. I've also been doing more digging around (we all have a lot more time on our hands now...) so these are my thoughts on the issues: - Lack of transparency is obviously a big issue (western media will blame PRC government for kicking them out and PRC government will blame western media for bias) - It is very difficult to tell what Wuhan numbers are really like. We may never know. However, this is likely to apply to a lot of different parts of the world by the time this pandemic is over. - Different counting/tallying methods are being applied everywhere. I think earlier in this thread, someone speculated that Germany's counting method is different from Italy/Spain/France, leading to lower mortality rate - On the suspicion that there is a lot of community spread in different parts of China now that is just not reported, everything I know (from people on the ground in various cities to media reports etc) indicate that this is not true. While there can be a huge debate about the PRC form of government, this crisis has basically played to their strengths. The draconian measures that were slapped down on Wuhan early on (equivalent to the USA locking down New York in early Feb) meant that the situation was controllable. Whatever one thinks about the PRC government, they are not so stupid as to risk restarting the country if it could mean ending up with a situation akin to USA/Italy/Spain. - In contrast, the reason why it will be very difficult to control community spread in many parts of Europe and North America is that total lock-down may not be achievable. Over the last 10 days, over 260,000 people were fined in France for breaching quarantine (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/frances-coronavirus-lockdown-ignored-260000-21772865). Some people may consider the fine a small price for being able to go out, whereas in places like South Korea, Singapore and China, people would have been arrested (and not just fined) for breaking quarantine. - The other reason I am unfortunately pessimistic is because lock-down measures in large parts of Europe have been in place for 10-14 days. The average incubation period for the virus is 5 days, so actually the quarantine measures if effective should be showing up in official numbers already (as they did in South Korea, Singapore and China). While European numbers have slowed, they do not look like stopping at the moment. | ||
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