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The issue rn is the number of cases. Going to "coronavirus parties" will only increase it. It's only good for yourself now, because you will get treated before the huge surge in cases. But that's very egoistic. Chickenpox parties were used because you wanted kids to have it early when it is less severe than when theyre adults.
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@Nakajin: You're doing a necessary job.
Luckily my husband and I are both in IT and so are not losing our jobs out of the blue. We told our part-time nanny to stop coming and are still paying her average weekly wage, but her official employer (a theatre) just kicked everyone out with no pay, and I'm sure there are plenty like that...
@Erasme: I'm not sure it is good for anyone. Not an expert, but some popular-science writeups are saying that this virus is going to stay in the population, but that it is going to mutate into weaker forms and so become less dangerous even if a vaccine is not achieved.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 26 2020 02:34 Gina wrote:
It's honestly sad how few personal things I have had to cancel. A ton of kids' stuff of course.
Had a vacation I was really looking forward to, after dealing with some pretty serious burnout at work, that I had to cancel because of this.
Frankly, I'm just happy that I still have a job. It's more "all hands on deck" than "shut everything down" right now, which helps to keep busy in a time of lockdown. I know a lot of people who were far less fortunate than I've been, just because they happened to be working in a different industry (even when it's the same job).
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I think Chinese calendar is finally acurrate because 2020 is the year of the rat, and that's it feels like at the moment. :D
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On March 26 2020 03:13 Gina wrote:
@Nakajin: You're doing a necessary job.
Luckily my husband and I are both in IT and so are not losing our jobs out of the blue. We told our part-time nanny to stop coming and are still paying her average weekly wage, but her official employer (a theatre) just kicked everyone out with no pay, and I'm sure there are plenty like that...
@Erasme: I'm not sure it is good for anyone. Not an expert, but some popular-science writeups are saying that this virus is going to stay in the population, but that it is going to mutate into weaker forms and so become less dangerous even if a vaccine is not achieved.
That is true. However my point was that if he got infected in one of those party right now, he will be ahead of the curve and so will receive decent treatment. Compared to catching it when hospitals are full.
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On March 26 2020 05:42 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 03:13 Gina wrote:
@Nakajin: You're doing a necessary job.
Luckily my husband and I are both in IT and so are not losing our jobs out of the blue. We told our part-time nanny to stop coming and are still paying her average weekly wage, but her official employer (a theatre) just kicked everyone out with no pay, and I'm sure there are plenty like that...
@Erasme: I'm not sure it is good for anyone. Not an expert, but some popular-science writeups are saying that this virus is going to stay in the population, but that it is going to mutate into weaker forms and so become less dangerous even if a vaccine is not achieved. That is true. However my point was that if he got infected in one of those party right now, he will be ahead of the curve and so will receive decent treatment. Compared to catching it when hospitals are full.
Maybe he gets decent treatment right now but what about 3 to 6 weeks from now? Because that how long it might take before he needs it if he gets infected today.
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Apparently taking ibuprofen or advil if you’ve tested positive or are at risk of exposure is very bad. Tylonel is ok.
Going off of what my cousins(They’re RNs in Hawaii) told me: it “kickstarts” the virus into pneumonia
They’re not virologists or specialists in the matter but just a word of caution thats circulating within the hospitals.
Apparently 40-50 year olds who were previously healthy are running into complications and require ventilators when they were under those drugs.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
That is currently still under investigation, and its propagation should be stopped.
If you're choosing between paracetamol or ibuprofen for a temperature or for regular pain, prioritise the paracetamol.
If you're already taking ibuprofen or other NSAIDs for some other medical condition, do not stop taking them just because you're afraid of COVID.
Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ibuprofen-use-and-covid19coronavirus
Copied over for those of you too lazy to click:
Until we have more information, take paracetamol to treat the symptoms of coronavirus, unless your doctor has told you paracetamol is not suitable for you.
We are aware there has been concern spreading about the use of ibuprofen and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDs) in relation to COVID-19.
However, there is currently no research into ibuprofen and the new coronavirus. This includes:
- the link between ibuprofen and the likelihood of contracting the virus
- the link between ibuprofen and the worsening of coronavirus symptoms
What should I do?
Patients who have confirmed COVID-19, or believe they have COVID-19, should take paracetamol in preference to ibuprofen.
Those currently advised to use ibuprofen by their healthcare professional should not stop using them.
There is some debate suggesting NSAIDs may increase complications from simple acute respiratory infections or slow recovery. The product information of many NSAIDs already contains warnings that their anti-inflammatory effects may hide the symptoms of a worsening infection. However the evidence is not conclusive.
In view of the current lack of research the Commission on Human Medicines (an expert advisory body of MHRA) and NICE have been asked to review the evidence.
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On March 26 2020 06:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
Apparently taking ibuprofen or advil if you’ve tested positive or are at risk of exposure is very bad. Tylonel is ok.
Going off of what my cousins(They’re RNs in Hawaii) told me: it “kickstarts” the virus into pneumonia
They’re not virologists or specialists in the matter but just a word of caution thats circulating within the hospitals.
Apparently 40-50 year olds who were previously healthy are running into complications and require ventilators when they were under those drugs.
Lots of newspapers ran this a couple of days ago as well. Today I read that the WHO retracted the warning regarding the drug. Current information does not support the stance that IBU is actively harmful.
Here's the tweet from 18/03/2020
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
The two other myths that people should stop spreading:
1) That ACE-inhibitors such as ramipril (frequently taken for high blood pressure or for kidney troubles) should be stopped as they make covid worse. There is currently no evidence for this.
2) Asthma patients should ask their doctors for preventative antibiotics and steroids. This is not guidance and steroids can actually make the virus worse due to suppressing your immune system.
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Hyrule19058 Posts
On March 26 2020 07:03 Firebolt145 wrote:
The two other myths that people should stop spreading:
1) That ACE-inhibitors such as ramipril (frequently taken for high blood pressure or for kidney troubles) should be stopped as they make covid worse. There is currently no evidence for this.
2) Asthma patients should ask their doctors for preventative antibiotics and steroids. This is not guidance and steroids can actually make the virus worse due to suppressing your immune system.
Also worth noting that antibiotics don't do anything to viruses either.
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On March 26 2020 07:13 JimmiC wrote:
Well we have reached that point in new York where patients are starting to overwhelm the ERs and more paitents then ventilators, they also are seeing more people not less. Already comparing it to Italy. So in parts of the US we can stop saying it is going to get bad, it is there.
I'm really worried for NY. If it gets out of control there, there'll be lots of dead people.
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On March 26 2020 05:21 SC-Shield wrote:
I think Chinese calendar is finally acurrate because 2020 is the year of the rat, and that's it feels like at the moment. :D
Rats as a symbolic vector of disease is just eerie.
Politico has reports that New York City has warned the DHS that it's morgues are near capacity.
President Trump's press conference today says that the top 3 counties in the country responsible for >50% of the nation's cases are in NYC environs.
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Norway28673 Posts
He's more interested in deflecting blame from himself than in attempting to handle the problem. Absolutely miserable leadership.
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On March 26 2020 08:46 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 05:21 SC-Shield wrote:
I think Chinese calendar is finally acurrate because 2020 is the year of the rat, and that's it feels like at the moment. :D Rats as a symbolic vector of disease is just eerie. Politico has reports that New York City has warned the DHS that it's morgues are near capacity. President Trump's press conference today says that the top 3 counties in the country responsible for >50% of the nation's cases are in NYC environs.
NYC is definitely a hotspot, they've done the most testing per capita of any state and have a 30% positive test rate for coronavirus.
The biggest problem I think is that the US doesn't do enough testing.
https://covidtracking.com/data/
There's no major state (I checked CA, NY, FL, TX) with a positive rate under 10%
Countries that seem to have handled the spread well seem to have a positive rate in the low single digits. (SK was 2.6%, Taiwan is 0.85%, Canada is sitting at 2%) It doesn't take a particularly high rate to be devastating - Spain is at 7% and the UK is at 8.9% and it's pretty touch and go.
There just has to be a shitton of testing to catch community and potential community spreads before they escalate. That naturally means a lot of negative tests, but it's part of the containment requirements.
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Norway28673 Posts
On March 26 2020 09:30 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 08:46 Danglars wrote:On March 26 2020 05:21 SC-Shield wrote:
I think Chinese calendar is finally acurrate because 2020 is the year of the rat, and that's it feels like at the moment. :D Rats as a symbolic vector of disease is just eerie. Politico has reports that New York City has warned the DHS that it's morgues are near capacity. President Trump's press conference today says that the top 3 counties in the country responsible for >50% of the nation's cases are in NYC environs. NYC is definitely a hotspot, they've done the most testing per capita of any state and have a 30% positive test rate for coronavirus. The biggest problem I think is that the US doesn't do enough testing. https://covidtracking.com/data/There's no major state (I checked CA, NY, FL, TX) with a positive rate under 10% Countries that seem to have handled the spread well seem to have a positive rate in the low single digits. (SK was 2.6%, Taiwan is 0.85%, Canada is sitting at 2%) It doesn't take a particularly high rate to be devastating - Spain is at 7% and the UK is at 8.9% and it's pretty touch and go. There just has to be a shitton of testing to catch community and potential community spreads before they escalate. That naturally means a lot of negative tests, but it's part of the containment requirements.
Yep, the positives per 1000 stat is interesting, and damning for the areas with really high positives/1000. Norway is number three in tests per capita behind Iceland and Bahrain, we are at 40 positives per 1000 - and I am convinced there are a whole lot of people who have it and haven't been tested here, too. For areas where the positives/1000 is in the 300+ range, there must be a huge amount of infected.
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I'd accept this as a course of action if the risk of needing any treatment was 1% or less, the risk of reinfection was shown to be next to impossible, the period required to fully remove it from your system was three weeks or less, and anyone willing to go down that path is stocked well enough to live through those three weeks in complete physical isolation.
Because then you have someone who can't be a vector for transmission that is free to go about the world, and I'm assuming at some point those people would be a very valuable asset.
Of course, I'm dumb and that probably isn't how it works, but hey.
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I wish our news would give percentages and test numbers more often. They just say "x amount of new cases today", but not out of how many tested. Is that 50 percent? 10 percent? Are they even testing many people? It's meaningless to just give a daily tally of positive tests.
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