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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On March 26 2020 10:45 Starlightsun wrote: I wish our news would give percentages and test numbers more often. They just say "x amount of new cases today", but not out of how many tested. Is that 50 percent? 10 percent? Are they even testing many people? It's meaningless to just give a daily tally of positive tests. Our PM/public health director touch on that today in their press conference while answering question about comparing number of cases in different provinces. Comparing positive cases is hard however you look at it. It depend how many test you do, what are the precondition for getting tested, what constitute a positive test. (simple positive, double positive, probable...) It's hard to really understand the reality of the ground in all the states and compared it in a precise way. Except for the big tendency, it's probably gonna have to be something postmortem. Hospitalization are probably a bit of a better comparison since sick people would have gotten to the hospital wherever they lived, although I guess no public health insurance change that in the US. With that said I do agree news medias would benefit from giving more nuance in their report of the numbers. | ||
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anon3297534
14 Posts
More people wearing masks outside and not just Asians, haha. A community support service where I volunteer is stepping up hygiene protocol. No direct contact at the door when delivering meals to seniors. Canada's numbers going up. We might shoot up to top 15 soon enough. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
I understand that some people are hypochondriacs but at this point if you're going to shut down businesses and have people lose their jobs you need to test everyone. I'm not sure what Canada is hoping for. I guess we just don't have a way to get many tests done in a short amount of time. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
The number of tests is limited, so a lot of countries are restricting it to people where a possible cause has been identified (ie. recent overseas travel, contact with a known case). It goes without saying that the criteria are naive when there's community transmission occurring, but it's clear that most countries need to ration their testing capacity in some way. Even in places like Canada and Australia where we're testing quite heavily, these restrictions are still necessary at the moment. What's also clear is that if you are sick, you should self-isolate whether you have been tested or not. | ||
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anon3297534
14 Posts
On March 26 2020 12:00 SK.Testie wrote: I keep reading stories on the Canada reddit of people who think they have it but the doctors are sending them home without testing them. Then poeple come in arguing well if you have it self isolation is best and you don't need to be tested. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason the people should be tested is to know if they are infectious and can spread it regardless. This way they take extra precaution from spreading it to their family. Also it would help people locate where the virus is and how to better contain it. I understand that some people are hypochondriacs but at this point if you're going to shut down businesses and have people lose their jobs you need to test everyone. I'm not sure what Canada is hoping for. I guess we just don't have a way to get many tests done in a short amount of time. No, unfortunately. Ontario is short on tests. That line about people just needing to self-isolate regardless of a test is the official "excuse" promulgated by the health authorities here. Everything you say makes perfect sense and is the exact reason why we need to broaden testing, but again, no kits. No PPE for the hospital staff, for that matter. They are looking for donations. Christ. What really disappoints me is that, they can't just admit that it's NOT the same whether a person with symptoms gets a test or not, but yet they keep repeating the line about self-isolation again and again. Sigh. Oh, hey, you feeling better? | ||
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Yurie
12175 Posts
Finally realised why people bunkered up on toilet paper. To blow their noses. :p Without the need for that I had enough for weeks and didn't even consider buying any. Stopped following this a while ago so never heard about ibuprofen. Guess I'll take it safe and stop that now. There are good alternatives so no reason to take the risk. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 26 2020 12:32 Liquid`Drone wrote: Runny nose makes corona quite a bit less likely (compared to a regular flu) i think! as much as you say that a lot of people who got it only show runny noses ;/ | ||
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r00ty
Germany1096 Posts
On March 26 2020 12:00 SK.Testie wrote: I keep reading stories on the Canada reddit of people who think they have it but the doctors are sending them home without testing them. Then poeple come in arguing well if you have it self isolation is best and you don't need to be tested. + Show Spoiler + Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason the people should be tested is to know if they are infectious and can spread it regardless. This way they take extra precaution from spreading it to their family. Also it would help people locate where the virus is and how to better contain it. I understand that some people are hypochondriacs but at this point if you're going to shut down businesses and have people lose their jobs you need to test everyone. I'm not sure what Canada is hoping for. I guess we just don't have a way to get many tests done in a short amount of time. Same here. So my Sister called her Doctor yesterday, we don't go to doctors any more, just if not avoidable. Her husbands also has symtoms and his place of work (giant car factory) is closed because of some cases. Also he didn't give a shit. Well, she got put into self-quarantine as well, no testing, just should call again if it gets serious. She is also a nurse working in a psych ward and was working until tuesday. You hear that a lot and i wonder, if all those cases are included in the numbers? In the daily press conference, i think yesterday, it was said, that there will be a new quick test soon. And everyone in the whole country, symptoms or not, will be tested in July, earlier is just not possible. So far i hope some smaller country can produce something to take conclusions from. (Go Iceland!) | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
So yeah, just forget about the numbers and stay safe. Not sick, no complication, no complication no hospital. It's better for you and also better for everyone else. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On March 26 2020 14:46 StarStruck wrote: as much as you say that a lot of people who got it only show runny noses ;/ It's the most uncommon single symptom. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On March 26 2020 15:31 Furikawari wrote: Overall it looks like the reported numbers are a joke. In France currently very few people are tested (as everywhere else, no capacity), same rhetoric bullshit used by officials to justify this. In the end, people tested are the one for wich the disease is more or less obvious. Even the death numbers are a joke: only people that died in an hospital are reported. Elderly that die per dozens in institutions are not taken into account in the french numbers (media started to talk about it early this week, since then the government said they will add those numbers next week...)! So yeah, just forget about the numbers and stay safe. Not sick, no complication, no complication no hospital. It's better for you and also better for everyone else. Source about the old dying? | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1096 Posts
On March 26 2020 16:29 Elroi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2020 15:31 Furikawari wrote: Overall it looks like the reported numbers are a joke. In France currently very few people are tested (as everywhere else, no capacity), same rhetoric bullshit used by officials to justify this. In the end, people tested are the one for wich the disease is more or less obvious. Even the death numbers are a joke: only people that died in an hospital are reported. Elderly that die per dozens in institutions are not taken into account in the french numbers (media started to talk about it early this week, since then the government said they will add those numbers next week...)! So yeah, just forget about the numbers and stay safe. Not sick, no complication, no complication no hospital. It's better for you and also better for everyone else. Source about the old dieing? Average age of known fatal cases in Germany is 81 years atm. So far everyone who needed a ventilator got one, afaik. Source in German: + Show Spoiler + The testing also has shifted to just old people and really severe cases until there are enough tests. | ||
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gomezzig
1 Post
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
https://new.qq.com/omn/20200326/20200326A0GFBM00.html There are too many professional words so it's too hard for me to translate it to English.I don't know if it's reported on English sites. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On March 26 2020 17:00 r00ty wrote: Average age of known fatal cases in Germany is 81 years atm. So far everyone who needed a ventilator got one, afaik. Source in German: + Show Spoiler + The testing also has shifted to just old people and really severe cases until there are enough tests. I should have expressed myself more clearly: I meant that old people were dying without being counted in the statistics. That indeed seems to be the case in France. Apparently the old people's homes, "Ehpad", lack face masks but they have to treat the old anyway. That sounds like a tragedy in the making. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Infections/positive tests seems wrong due to limited capacity with the exception of Germany/SKorea probably? Is it % of growth of ICU beds needed? Is it % of deaths or deaths? Is it % of hospitalized people? I am not so sure how accurately you can extrapolate from positive tests. How will we know that measures work and what measures don't? Now obviously this is a data bitch, so what gives us our best guess? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2900 Posts
On March 26 2020 19:02 Kipsate wrote: Bit confused as to what metrics countries are and should be steering on. Pretty much every country due to their own situation seems to have their own way of reporting and handling the situation. Infections/positive tests seems wrong due to limited capacity with the exception of Germany/SKorea probably? Is it % of growth of ICU beds needed? Is it % of deaths or deaths? Is it % of hospitalized people? I am not so sure how accurately you can extrapolate from positive tests. How will we know that measures work and what measures don't? Now obviously this is a data bitch, so what gives us our best guess? At a government level obviously they have people with the education and experience to handle that for every individual country and also try to compare to other countries (apples to oranges). Sometimes they make the decisions, most of often it's politicians that may or may not listen to them. But usually their expert opinion can be found somewhere. As an individual what you are interested in is: Is healthcare overloaded or cooping (near me)? That could potentially be measured as ICU utilization (cases in ICU/number of ICU beds available). And also of course is it getting better or worse? Which is just the above over time. For most countries your local government will tell you this every day and much more. I just listened to our regions press conference that is at 10 and then at 14 it's for the entire country. It should give you all the answers you want. | ||
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