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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 28 2021 09:16 Emnjay808 wrote: Looking for opinions: I’ve been fully vaccinated since February (moderna). My family is scheduled to take their booster shot and I declined. For me personally, I got super sick with the first dose of the shot. I don’t really see the point of a booster if there’s a chance I react to it the same way as before. If I was traveling then I would consider it. But being out sick from work is probably my biggest concern rn. One thing to consider is that the Moderna booster dose is lower than the first 2 doses. My friends who had the moderna booster said it wasn't as bad as the original 2. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18464 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/27/best-masks-covid-tests-cloth-surgical-respirators TLDR: FFP2. And there are manufacturers who make all the fun colorful designs, adjustable ear loops and other things to make them fashionable and comfortable in the same way cloth masks are, but still protecting you from COVID. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12026 Posts
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brianhill87
5 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 28 2021 16:27 Acrofales wrote: Interesting read regarding the question of what mask works: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/27/best-masks-covid-tests-cloth-surgical-respirators TLDR: FFP2. And there are manufacturers who make all the fun colorful designs, adjustable ear loops and other things to make them fashionable and comfortable in the same way cloth masks are, but still protecting you from COVID. It’s definitely uncontroversially true that a respiratory quality mask (N95, FFP2, KN95) is significantly more effective than cloth or surgical. But it’s definitely a bridge too far to call those masks comfortable or really anything other than a major inconvenience. Unless the danger of getting a life-threatening infection is high rather than fairly small and fading, the entire process of fit checking every time you put it on and breathing through a thick layer of fiber every time can fuck right off. And wearing a respirator mask that’s leaky is just a waste of time. I did wear one while traveling last year, while visiting my elderly relatives pre-vaccine. Big inconvenience for 10+ hours at a time, and airport security definitely put a damper on things by asking you to take off the mask, but it was the most effective way to keep safe and nothing else really compares. But now, when the actual danger is low (for the vaccinated, which at this point is anyone who wanted to be) and the primary porpoise of the masks is to pretend like something is being done? Definitely sticking to something lightweight like a surgical mask. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On December 25 2021 08:01 BisuDagger wrote: https://m.slashdot.org/story/394227 A new vaccine by the army looks very promising. The reason it took so long to test was the lack of unvaccinated subjects who never had covid. Doesn’t it seem important that the public be made aware that new and better vaccines could come quicker based on the number of available unvaccinated subjects. I’m vaccinated, but my wife is not because of having a new child. Knowing a better vaccine may exist now, it would be terrible if my state suddenly just mandated vaccines and eliminated her chance at a better choice. I’d love to read some serious thoughts on this from the TL crowd. If they are selecting for a pool of unvaccinated people who never had covid this late in the game then it's even more difficult to find that person who is also willing to be subject to an experimental vaccination. I know tons of people who fit the first criteria around my parts but none of them would fall into the second part. There are of course some that have held out from vaccination due to legitimate hesitancy or weariness of its safety, thus making them open to the idea of taking a more effective product, but most seem to have made up their minds on the topic. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-dec-29-2021-record-high-case-count-1.6299698 Hospitalizations are up over 70% week over week. A lot of those are likely people going to the hospital for other things and incidentally getting tested (similar to what's happening in BC). Unvaccinated are still making up a large portion of admissions. Even though Omicron has a strong breakthrough rate, the vaccines are still keeping most people out of hospital. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 30 2021 02:19 Lmui wrote: Well, hopes that Omicron will be mild and not result in a big jump in hospitalizations aren't looking good, at least in Ontario. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-dec-29-2021-record-high-case-count-1.6299698 Hospitalizations are up over 70% week over week. A lot of those are likely people going to the hospital for other things and incidentally getting tested (similar to what's happening in BC). Unvaccinated are still making up a large portion of admissions. Even though Omicron has a strong breakthrough rate, the vaccines are still keeping most people out of hospital. Wait so you’re saying it’s not just 70% rise in omicron hospitalization? That number is just total hospitalization? Definitely a crucial detail lol. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10010 Posts
On December 30 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote: Wait so you’re saying it’s not just 70% rise in omicron hospitalization? That number is just total hospitalization? Definitely a crucial detail lol. I don't think its total hospitalisation. Its the difference between people who are in hospital and also have omicron, and people who are in hospital because they have serious symptoms of omicron. Its more of a measure of how fast its spreading through hospitals. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On December 30 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote: Wait so you’re saying it’s not just 70% rise in omicron hospitalization? That number is just total hospitalization? Definitely a crucial detail lol. Hospitalizations WITH covid are up 70% week over week is probably a better way of phrasing it. Hospitalizations FROM covid are less of a known factor at this time. Proactively testing every hospital patient is a good policy regardless because it's crucial to keep outbreaks in medical settings under control. ICU admissions with covid are up slightly from 168 to 190 week over week, and from 153->190 from Dec. 1 but hard to draw a big conclusion from that. We're seeing covid rip through vaccinated, and unvaccinated populations at a rate that we haven't seen in any previous wave. In minorly positive news, the proportion of Delta cases has plummeted from ~nothing at the beginning of December to 95+% in less than a month. It's looking likely that Delta will be outcompeted, hard because of high vaccination rates + Omicron infections. Full displacement within around 30-40 days. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
Everyone at the hospital is unbearably fatigued. Good thing we're heroes. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 30 2021 10:24 Titusmaster6 wrote: I work in central/northern Connecticut and our hospital census is absolutely bonkers. ED at 150 to 200% of its "limit" for the past 2 weeks almost. Numerous people waiting 30+ hours for a hospital bed, many of them elderly even 80+, 90+ patients. Makes me cringe every time I see the list. ICU completely full every second of every day. Unsurprisingly, most people with severe covid disease are unvaccinated. Everyone at the hospital is unbearably fatigued. Good thing we're heroes. Here's my friend's similarly fucked anecdote: "We have had next to nothing to do the last couple days because patients need a negative covid test to have surgery and a they can't even get an appointment for testing" | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On December 31 2021 03:25 Mohdoo wrote: Here's my friend's similarly fucked anecdote: "We have had next to nothing to do the last couple days because patients need a negative covid test to have surgery and a they can't even get an appointment for testing" That is accurate, at least in my region. Even for physicians that are symptomatic, who are working in the hospital, tests are often not possible for 3 days at this point in time... For those that have sacrificed their own freedoms for the public good or the good of those close to them, the people that have followed evidence based practice and government recommendations/guidelines on masking/vaccination, I appreciate you all so much. I know this pandemic has been exhaustive in so many ways, and I'm sorry if it has hindered your own personal fun or family time, but you all are awesome. You don't get enough credit. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 31 2021 04:47 Titusmaster6 wrote: That is accurate, at least in my region. Even for physicians that are symptomatic, who are working in the hospital, tests are often not possible for 3 days at this point in time... For those that have sacrificed their own freedoms for the public good or the good of those close to them, the people that have followed evidence based practice and government recommendations/guidelines on masking/vaccination, I appreciate you all so much. I know this pandemic has been exhaustive in so many ways, and I'm sorry if it has hindered your own personal fun or family time, but you all are awesome. You don't get enough credit. My wife and I haven’t attended or hosted any social gatherings since march 2020. My sister visited us in that like 2 week period of time when we had vax and no delta variant in like June. Glorious time. But other than that, zero. I salute your efforts as well! | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On December 28 2021 19:38 brianhill87 wrote: To be honest, I was a big opponent of vaccination, but after got sick with the coronavirus, I changed my mind. I had a cough of blood and several months of recovery. Since you changed your mind, can I ask you out of curiosity, why were you against the vaccination? The thing that puzzles me most is what is the endgame for people who oppose the vaccine. How, did you think we would get out of this nightmare without vaccines? | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Perhaps they feel the virus is nothing exeptionally unusual and will eventually infect enough people for herd immunity to be reached (and vaccination hinders this natural process of evolution). Perhaps they accept that the virus is an anomaly but are prepared to accept this risk as being part of life and death. The extreme ones believe in some tin-pot government conspiracy or cosmic forces at play. But most likely they are the minority amongst the entire anti-vax community. I've heard of a story from a friend (purely hearsay) of a professional, intelligent and elderly person who died from COVID. Not vaccinated. Till the very end, on the hospital bed, the person remained in good spirits that he would overcome the virus. In denial until death. Sad. Of course I share many of your frustration against these misguided folks. But I don't harbour any contempt for them, but more of pity. Maybe if we try to understand their mindset more, we can come up with a better governmental policy that could nudge them towards vaccination. And if we find out that their beliefs are really irrational, then governments can justify taking a harder stance against them (mandatory isolation, denial of health benefits, etc). What that puzzles me more is why governments are on one hand pushing hard the message that "no one is safe until everyone is vaccinated" but on the other hand then stopped short of going harder against the unvaccinated. Maybe politics get in the way. But a middle-ground approach is bound to leave some skeptics unpersuaded. In short, I'm not really surprised why some people remain as anti-vaxxers, and why governments find it difficult to convert them. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12026 Posts
(He still got vaccinated because his wife got him to do it) | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On December 31 2021 17:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: I imagine most don't think there is a nightmare to get out of, that Covid is overblown and maybe dangerous to the elderly but harmless to any 'normal' 20-40y old so why worry about it.Since you changed your mind, can I ask you out of curiosity, why were you against the vaccination? The thing that puzzles me most is what is the endgame for people who oppose the vaccine. How, did you think we would get out of this nightmare without vaccines? And then they get it bad, feel like they are dying and suffer for weeks/months and wish they could have taken the brief and mild discomfort of a vaccine shot instead. | ||
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