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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly.

This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4379 Posts
December 10 2021 17:10 GMT
#10741
On December 11 2021 01:57 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 01:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:38 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:27 JimmiC wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Higher taxes? Jimmi US inflation figures came out two hours ago at 6.8%, the highest since 1982.Biden admin has completely lost control of inflation.Continue with the restrictions, lockdowns and mandates and it’ll keep going up because thats whats been causing it to skyrocket.

The latest shortage is in AdBlue which diesel trucks require to operate.The supply chain crisis is teetering towards an explosion.All indications are omicron is a far far weaker strain so all restrictions and mandates need to be lifted or inflation and supply issues will continue to worsen.

Your problem is you are blaming the symptoms and not the cause sir. The Cause is covid not the restrictions. Its not hard if you think rationally. You don't need the restrictions if everyone is vaccinated.

The only way to dispute this is if you don't believe that the vaccine is as effective as reported. Do you not believe it reduces hospitalizations by 11x? Do you think it makes things worse? Or do you even think Covid is real?

You're giving him too much credit by even associating inflation with Covid in the first place. Given that the economy is full of wonky figures right now, like US household wealth having surged almost $36 trillion dollars since the first quarter of 2020 , one should acknowledge the vulgar economic arguments of folks like iPlaY.NettleS for what they are, anti-Covid measure polemics with a very tenuous relation to Covid's actual impact on the economy.

Hardly a controversial suggestion, one shared by US treasury Sec Yellen...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/14/white-house-ties-inflation-fix-controlling-covid-pandemic/8615464002/


White House sees solving pandemic, supply chain disruptions as key to ending inflation spike


Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a CBS News interview Sunday: “I think it's important to realize that the cause of this inflation is the pandemic. It shut down our economy. It boosted unemployment to almost 15%, and we've been opening up in fits and starts."


You conveniently left out the very next line:

Show nested quote +
Yellen predicted that if the pandemic is contained, she expects prices to return to normal "sometime in the second half of next year."


So you agree that the pandemic has caused a spike in inflation? Thats literally what she is saying.

If the supply chains can be repaired you can lower inflation.Thats why it’s essential to drop restrictions immediately before further damage is done.Europe going back into lockdowns would be a complete disaster but it appears the UK is headed that way despite the new variant being weaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22063 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-10 17:18:16
December 10 2021 17:17 GMT
#10742
On December 11 2021 02:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 01:57 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:38 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:27 JimmiC wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Higher taxes? Jimmi US inflation figures came out two hours ago at 6.8%, the highest since 1982.Biden admin has completely lost control of inflation.Continue with the restrictions, lockdowns and mandates and it’ll keep going up because thats whats been causing it to skyrocket.

The latest shortage is in AdBlue which diesel trucks require to operate.The supply chain crisis is teetering towards an explosion.All indications are omicron is a far far weaker strain so all restrictions and mandates need to be lifted or inflation and supply issues will continue to worsen.

Your problem is you are blaming the symptoms and not the cause sir. The Cause is covid not the restrictions. Its not hard if you think rationally. You don't need the restrictions if everyone is vaccinated.

The only way to dispute this is if you don't believe that the vaccine is as effective as reported. Do you not believe it reduces hospitalizations by 11x? Do you think it makes things worse? Or do you even think Covid is real?

You're giving him too much credit by even associating inflation with Covid in the first place. Given that the economy is full of wonky figures right now, like US household wealth having surged almost $36 trillion dollars since the first quarter of 2020 , one should acknowledge the vulgar economic arguments of folks like iPlaY.NettleS for what they are, anti-Covid measure polemics with a very tenuous relation to Covid's actual impact on the economy.

Hardly a controversial suggestion, one shared by US treasury Sec Yellen...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/14/white-house-ties-inflation-fix-controlling-covid-pandemic/8615464002/


White House sees solving pandemic, supply chain disruptions as key to ending inflation spike


Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a CBS News interview Sunday: “I think it's important to realize that the cause of this inflation is the pandemic. It shut down our economy. It boosted unemployment to almost 15%, and we've been opening up in fits and starts."


You conveniently left out the very next line:

Yellen predicted that if the pandemic is contained, she expects prices to return to normal "sometime in the second half of next year."


So you agree that the pandemic has caused a spike in inflation? Thats literally what she is saying.

If the supply chains can be repaired you can lower inflation.Thats why it’s essential to drop restrictions immediately before further damage is done.Europe going back into lockdowns would be a complete disaster but it appears the UK is headed that way despite the new variant being weaker.
So you recognise the pandemic is the cause.
Your realise going back into lockdowns would be a disaster.

But you think therefor the response should be less restrictions and just letting the virus do its thing, which is guaranteed to quickly lead to more and longer lockdowns rather then pushing harder to get everyone vaccinated so that healthcare can cope and lockdowns are not needed?

That's..... backwards logic.

To reduce inflation the long term effects of Covid need to be managed and I think we all agree its not just going to go away on its own so we need long term solutions, like vaccines.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 10 2021 17:18 GMT
#10743
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4379 Posts
December 10 2021 17:24 GMT
#10744
On December 11 2021 02:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 02:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:57 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:38 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:27 JimmiC wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Higher taxes? Jimmi US inflation figures came out two hours ago at 6.8%, the highest since 1982.Biden admin has completely lost control of inflation.Continue with the restrictions, lockdowns and mandates and it’ll keep going up because thats whats been causing it to skyrocket.

The latest shortage is in AdBlue which diesel trucks require to operate.The supply chain crisis is teetering towards an explosion.All indications are omicron is a far far weaker strain so all restrictions and mandates need to be lifted or inflation and supply issues will continue to worsen.

Your problem is you are blaming the symptoms and not the cause sir. The Cause is covid not the restrictions. Its not hard if you think rationally. You don't need the restrictions if everyone is vaccinated.

The only way to dispute this is if you don't believe that the vaccine is as effective as reported. Do you not believe it reduces hospitalizations by 11x? Do you think it makes things worse? Or do you even think Covid is real?

You're giving him too much credit by even associating inflation with Covid in the first place. Given that the economy is full of wonky figures right now, like US household wealth having surged almost $36 trillion dollars since the first quarter of 2020 , one should acknowledge the vulgar economic arguments of folks like iPlaY.NettleS for what they are, anti-Covid measure polemics with a very tenuous relation to Covid's actual impact on the economy.

Hardly a controversial suggestion, one shared by US treasury Sec Yellen...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/14/white-house-ties-inflation-fix-controlling-covid-pandemic/8615464002/


White House sees solving pandemic, supply chain disruptions as key to ending inflation spike


Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a CBS News interview Sunday: “I think it's important to realize that the cause of this inflation is the pandemic. It shut down our economy. It boosted unemployment to almost 15%, and we've been opening up in fits and starts."


You conveniently left out the very next line:

Yellen predicted that if the pandemic is contained, she expects prices to return to normal "sometime in the second half of next year."


So you agree that the pandemic has caused a spike in inflation? Thats literally what she is saying.

If the supply chains can be repaired you can lower inflation.Thats why it’s essential to drop restrictions immediately before further damage is done.Europe going back into lockdowns would be a complete disaster but it appears the UK is headed that way despite the new variant being weaker.
So you recognise the pandemic is the cause.
Your realise going back into lockdowns would be a disaster.

But you think therefor the response should be less restrictions and just letting the virus do its thing, which is guaranteed to quickly lead to more and longer lockdowns rather then pushing harder to get everyone vaccinated so that healthcare can cope and lockdowns are not needed?

That's..... backwards logic.

To reduce inflation the long term effects of Covid need to be managed and I think we all agree its not just going to go away on its own so we need long term solutions, like vaccines.

HIV prevalence in South Africa is over 20%, with a vaxx rate of 30%.If it doesn’t make a huge impact there then I don’t see the point in going through the whole charade all over again especially in countries with 90%+ vax rate in 70+.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 10 2021 17:31 GMT
#10745
--- Nuked ---
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4379 Posts
December 10 2021 17:40 GMT
#10746
On December 11 2021 02:18 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 01:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:27 JimmiC wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Higher taxes? Jimmi US inflation figures came out two hours ago at 6.8%, the highest since 1982.Biden admin has completely lost control of inflation.Continue with the restrictions, lockdowns and mandates and it’ll keep going up because thats whats been causing it to skyrocket.

The latest shortage is in AdBlue which diesel trucks require to operate.The supply chain crisis is teetering towards an explosion.All indications are omicron is a far far weaker strain so all restrictions and mandates need to be lifted or inflation and supply issues will continue to worsen.

Your problem is you are blaming the symptoms and not the cause sir. The Cause is covid not the restrictions. Its not hard if you think rationally. You don't need the restrictions if everyone is vaccinated.

The only way to dispute this is if you don't believe that the vaccine is as effective as reported. Do you not believe it reduces hospitalizations by 11x? Do you think it makes things worse? Or do you even think Covid is real?

Yes, I doubt the vaccine is as effective as previously stated as the UK has recently reduced the minimum time between booster doses to three months.We had a bet if you recall that you believed Australia would recommend only one booster for 2022, stated barely three months ago in August.

My thoughts on the matter don’t change, you just continually defend governments and pharmaceutical corporations that keep shifting goalposts.

LOL on you changing our bet and talking about shifting goalposts. Our bet is that Australia won't require 2 boosters in 2022.

I need to understand your bas assumptions to answer this stuff.

You say overstated, so not 11x what do you think it is? Do you think the boosters make it 11x or no?

How am i changing it? I said it would be 2 or more.That means you need it to be zero or one.Do you do this on purpose?

+ Show Spoiler +

https://tl.net/forum/general/556693-coronavirus-and-you?page=423#8459

Ill make you a bet. If australia requires 2 or more boosters in 2022 ill take a year long ban. If they dont you take a month. Deal?



Already gave my reasoning for why i thought it was overstated but people are waiting for more information on this 11x figure including length of protection.I see pfizer is already suggesting fourth doses sooner due to Omicron.

Like i have said before, i believe you will see fewer people take up each successive booster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22063 Posts
December 10 2021 17:50 GMT
#10747
On December 11 2021 02:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 02:17 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 11 2021 02:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:57 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:38 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:27 JimmiC wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Higher taxes? Jimmi US inflation figures came out two hours ago at 6.8%, the highest since 1982.Biden admin has completely lost control of inflation.Continue with the restrictions, lockdowns and mandates and it’ll keep going up because thats whats been causing it to skyrocket.

The latest shortage is in AdBlue which diesel trucks require to operate.The supply chain crisis is teetering towards an explosion.All indications are omicron is a far far weaker strain so all restrictions and mandates need to be lifted or inflation and supply issues will continue to worsen.

Your problem is you are blaming the symptoms and not the cause sir. The Cause is covid not the restrictions. Its not hard if you think rationally. You don't need the restrictions if everyone is vaccinated.

The only way to dispute this is if you don't believe that the vaccine is as effective as reported. Do you not believe it reduces hospitalizations by 11x? Do you think it makes things worse? Or do you even think Covid is real?

You're giving him too much credit by even associating inflation with Covid in the first place. Given that the economy is full of wonky figures right now, like US household wealth having surged almost $36 trillion dollars since the first quarter of 2020 , one should acknowledge the vulgar economic arguments of folks like iPlaY.NettleS for what they are, anti-Covid measure polemics with a very tenuous relation to Covid's actual impact on the economy.

Hardly a controversial suggestion, one shared by US treasury Sec Yellen...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/14/white-house-ties-inflation-fix-controlling-covid-pandemic/8615464002/


White House sees solving pandemic, supply chain disruptions as key to ending inflation spike


Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a CBS News interview Sunday: “I think it's important to realize that the cause of this inflation is the pandemic. It shut down our economy. It boosted unemployment to almost 15%, and we've been opening up in fits and starts."


You conveniently left out the very next line:

Yellen predicted that if the pandemic is contained, she expects prices to return to normal "sometime in the second half of next year."


So you agree that the pandemic has caused a spike in inflation? Thats literally what she is saying.

If the supply chains can be repaired you can lower inflation.Thats why it’s essential to drop restrictions immediately before further damage is done.Europe going back into lockdowns would be a complete disaster but it appears the UK is headed that way despite the new variant being weaker.
So you recognise the pandemic is the cause.
Your realise going back into lockdowns would be a disaster.

But you think therefor the response should be less restrictions and just letting the virus do its thing, which is guaranteed to quickly lead to more and longer lockdowns rather then pushing harder to get everyone vaccinated so that healthcare can cope and lockdowns are not needed?

That's..... backwards logic.

To reduce inflation the long term effects of Covid need to be managed and I think we all agree its not just going to go away on its own so we need long term solutions, like vaccines.

HIV prevalence in South Africa is over 20%, with a vaxx rate of 30%.If it doesn’t make a huge impact there then I don’t see the point in going through the whole charade all over again especially in countries with 90%+ vax rate in 70+.
Please try again or explain it better because I don't see how your reply addresses my point.

If you want inflation to go down you need to prevent lockdowns which means reducing covid hospitalizations. How are you going to do that without pushing people towards vaccination and other measures like facemasks?

I don't see how that relates to HIV problems in South Africa.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-10 17:55:22
December 10 2021 17:51 GMT
#10748
--- Nuked ---
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4379 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-10 18:00:11
December 10 2021 17:56 GMT
#10749
On December 11 2021 02:50 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 02:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 02:17 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 11 2021 02:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:57 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:38 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:27 JimmiC wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Higher taxes? Jimmi US inflation figures came out two hours ago at 6.8%, the highest since 1982.Biden admin has completely lost control of inflation.Continue with the restrictions, lockdowns and mandates and it’ll keep going up because thats whats been causing it to skyrocket.

The latest shortage is in AdBlue which diesel trucks require to operate.The supply chain crisis is teetering towards an explosion.All indications are omicron is a far far weaker strain so all restrictions and mandates need to be lifted or inflation and supply issues will continue to worsen.

Your problem is you are blaming the symptoms and not the cause sir. The Cause is covid not the restrictions. Its not hard if you think rationally. You don't need the restrictions if everyone is vaccinated.

The only way to dispute this is if you don't believe that the vaccine is as effective as reported. Do you not believe it reduces hospitalizations by 11x? Do you think it makes things worse? Or do you even think Covid is real?

You're giving him too much credit by even associating inflation with Covid in the first place. Given that the economy is full of wonky figures right now, like US household wealth having surged almost $36 trillion dollars since the first quarter of 2020 , one should acknowledge the vulgar economic arguments of folks like iPlaY.NettleS for what they are, anti-Covid measure polemics with a very tenuous relation to Covid's actual impact on the economy.

Hardly a controversial suggestion, one shared by US treasury Sec Yellen...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/14/white-house-ties-inflation-fix-controlling-covid-pandemic/8615464002/


White House sees solving pandemic, supply chain disruptions as key to ending inflation spike


Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a CBS News interview Sunday: “I think it's important to realize that the cause of this inflation is the pandemic. It shut down our economy. It boosted unemployment to almost 15%, and we've been opening up in fits and starts."


You conveniently left out the very next line:

Yellen predicted that if the pandemic is contained, she expects prices to return to normal "sometime in the second half of next year."


So you agree that the pandemic has caused a spike in inflation? Thats literally what she is saying.

If the supply chains can be repaired you can lower inflation.Thats why it’s essential to drop restrictions immediately before further damage is done.Europe going back into lockdowns would be a complete disaster but it appears the UK is headed that way despite the new variant being weaker.
So you recognise the pandemic is the cause.
Your realise going back into lockdowns would be a disaster.

But you think therefor the response should be less restrictions and just letting the virus do its thing, which is guaranteed to quickly lead to more and longer lockdowns rather then pushing harder to get everyone vaccinated so that healthcare can cope and lockdowns are not needed?

That's..... backwards logic.

To reduce inflation the long term effects of Covid need to be managed and I think we all agree its not just going to go away on its own so we need long term solutions, like vaccines.

HIV prevalence in South Africa is over 20%, with a vaxx rate of 30%.If it doesn’t make a huge impact there then I don’t see the point in going through the whole charade all over again especially in countries with 90%+ vax rate in 70+.
Please try again or explain it better because I don't see how your reply addresses my point.

If you want inflation to go down you need to prevent lockdowns which means reducing covid hospitalizations. How are you going to do that without pushing people towards vaccination and other measures like facemasks?

I don't see how that relates to HIV problems in South Africa.

The omicron variant is milder so you treat it like the flu and don’t lockdown.Seems like several countries in Europe are toughening restrictions and threatening lockdowns over Omicron, countries with vaxx rates 80-90%+ in 70+ the age group most likely to be at risk.

South Africa has low vaxx rate and a high percentage of the population with immune system dysfunction so if there was a perfect place for it to wreak havoc it was there.

Re : Jimmi my mistake, require it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22063 Posts
December 10 2021 18:05 GMT
#10750
On December 11 2021 02:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 02:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 11 2021 02:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 02:17 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 11 2021 02:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:57 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:38 farvacola wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:27 JimmiC wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Higher taxes? Jimmi US inflation figures came out two hours ago at 6.8%, the highest since 1982.Biden admin has completely lost control of inflation.Continue with the restrictions, lockdowns and mandates and it’ll keep going up because thats whats been causing it to skyrocket.

The latest shortage is in AdBlue which diesel trucks require to operate.The supply chain crisis is teetering towards an explosion.All indications are omicron is a far far weaker strain so all restrictions and mandates need to be lifted or inflation and supply issues will continue to worsen.

Your problem is you are blaming the symptoms and not the cause sir. The Cause is covid not the restrictions. Its not hard if you think rationally. You don't need the restrictions if everyone is vaccinated.

The only way to dispute this is if you don't believe that the vaccine is as effective as reported. Do you not believe it reduces hospitalizations by 11x? Do you think it makes things worse? Or do you even think Covid is real?

You're giving him too much credit by even associating inflation with Covid in the first place. Given that the economy is full of wonky figures right now, like US household wealth having surged almost $36 trillion dollars since the first quarter of 2020 , one should acknowledge the vulgar economic arguments of folks like iPlaY.NettleS for what they are, anti-Covid measure polemics with a very tenuous relation to Covid's actual impact on the economy.

Hardly a controversial suggestion, one shared by US treasury Sec Yellen...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/14/white-house-ties-inflation-fix-controlling-covid-pandemic/8615464002/


White House sees solving pandemic, supply chain disruptions as key to ending inflation spike


Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a CBS News interview Sunday: “I think it's important to realize that the cause of this inflation is the pandemic. It shut down our economy. It boosted unemployment to almost 15%, and we've been opening up in fits and starts."


You conveniently left out the very next line:

Yellen predicted that if the pandemic is contained, she expects prices to return to normal "sometime in the second half of next year."


So you agree that the pandemic has caused a spike in inflation? Thats literally what she is saying.

If the supply chains can be repaired you can lower inflation.Thats why it’s essential to drop restrictions immediately before further damage is done.Europe going back into lockdowns would be a complete disaster but it appears the UK is headed that way despite the new variant being weaker.
So you recognise the pandemic is the cause.
Your realise going back into lockdowns would be a disaster.

But you think therefor the response should be less restrictions and just letting the virus do its thing, which is guaranteed to quickly lead to more and longer lockdowns rather then pushing harder to get everyone vaccinated so that healthcare can cope and lockdowns are not needed?

That's..... backwards logic.

To reduce inflation the long term effects of Covid need to be managed and I think we all agree its not just going to go away on its own so we need long term solutions, like vaccines.

HIV prevalence in South Africa is over 20%, with a vaxx rate of 30%.If it doesn’t make a huge impact there then I don’t see the point in going through the whole charade all over again especially in countries with 90%+ vax rate in 70+.
Please try again or explain it better because I don't see how your reply addresses my point.

If you want inflation to go down you need to prevent lockdowns which means reducing covid hospitalizations. How are you going to do that without pushing people towards vaccination and other measures like facemasks?

I don't see how that relates to HIV problems in South Africa.

The omicron variant is milder so you treat it like the flu and don’t lockdown.Seems like several countries in Europe are toughening restrictions and threatening lockdowns over Omicron, countries with vaxx rates 80-90%+ in 70+ the age group most likely to be at risk.

South Africa has low vaxx rate and a high percentage of the population with immune system dysfunction so if there was a perfect place for it to wreak havoc it was there.

Re : Jimmi my mistake, require it is.
Ok that makes more sense.
Yes this could indeed be a solution and I'm kinda hoping it is. But that first needs to be scientifically proven which takes a bit of time, Its not something you want to just assume and jump head first into only to find out its a wrong assumption.

Secondly that requires Omicron to become the dominant strain and muscle out Delta, which is again possible but sofar from what I understand is not the case yet in Europe. Our hospitals are full of patients with Delta, that is the reality we are dealing with now and why lockdowns are being implemented or considered in a bunch of countries.

However Omicron doesn't mean we can just ignore the unvaccinated, they are still a higher danger factor both to themselves and others and even if Omicron is milder it could still lead to problems with available healthcare because of its sheer infectiousness. We still need as many people as possible to get vaccinated, regardless of where Omicron falls on the 'danger' scale.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
December 10 2021 18:22 GMT
#10751
On December 11 2021 01:23 WombaT wrote:
Is 32 still young?


Get in shape, get blood work and a respiratory capacity test (like vo2 max) done. Low and good cholesterol ratio, high vo2 max and some muscle mass = healthy. And not just for covid.
teeel141
Profile Joined August 2021
93 Posts
December 10 2021 18:23 GMT
#10752
India and Bangladesh with very low vaccination rates yet their hospitals arent overwhelmed with covid patients even though these are very poor countries (this is before the new variant). This is proof that only vaccinating old people and people with health problems would have been a much better strategy.

For comparison with western countries in terms of death rate (infections might be underreported due to lower testing). Younger population is the only argument working against this but it must be atleast offset by western versus third world hospital systems.

ig.ft.com
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-10 18:30:07
December 10 2021 18:29 GMT
#10753
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teeel141
Profile Joined August 2021
93 Posts
December 10 2021 18:43 GMT
#10754
On December 11 2021 03:29 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 03:22 GoTuNk! wrote:
On December 11 2021 01:23 WombaT wrote:
Is 32 still young?


Get in shape, get blood work and a respiratory capacity test (like vo2 max) done. Low and good cholesterol ratio, high vo2 max and some muscle mass = healthy. And not just for covid.

Also eat lots of vegetables and brush your teeth.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2021 03:23 teeel141 wrote:
India and Bangladesh with very low vaccination rates yet their hospitals arent overwhelmed with covid patients even though these are very poor countries (this is before the new variant). This is proof that only vaccinating old people and people with health problems would have been a much better strategy.

For comparison with western countries in terms of death rate (infections might be underreported due to lower testing). Younger population is the only argument working against this but it must be atleast offset by western versus third world hospital systems.

ig.ft.com


WTF are you talking about? You think they have higher rates of vaccination in the vulnerable populations?

OR

Could it be that they have way less % of vulnerable because of the state of their healthcare system and poverty? Could it also be that many of the sick and dying are not being tracked ? That the one wave already passed through and wiped out a ton of people? Do you not remember where Delta that is now the problem in EU and NA started?

Could you try using just the littlest amount of critical thinking.


If this was true then their healthcare system would be near colapse and they would be forced to lockdown like Austria. What actually happened is that delta wave hit and they got much closer to herd immunity trough natural infection (they did have a healthcare collapse at that time).
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 10 2021 18:49 GMT
#10755
India is one of those countries where they could quietly let 5 million people die without sufficient healthcare, report a tenth of that, and leave it merely as an "open secret" where it's clear to most that it's the case but no one acknowledges it publicly.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
teeel141
Profile Joined August 2021
93 Posts
December 10 2021 18:53 GMT
#10756
Where are the reports of the bodies then?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 10 2021 18:56 GMT
#10757
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teeel141
Profile Joined August 2021
93 Posts
December 10 2021 18:57 GMT
#10758
It's obvious that natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity. Especially when it comes to transmission.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 10 2021 18:58 GMT
#10759
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15729 Posts
December 10 2021 18:58 GMT
#10760
TL mods, I really think you’re totally wrong about “disinformation is fine because someone argues with them”, it is overly idealistic and ridiculous. Just delete it. This is extremely negligent on your part.
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