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On September 04 2021 08:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Without knowing his age, underlying medical conditions and weight you can’t just assume that he will end up in hospital ‘on the brink of death’.What absolute hyperbole.
Not assuming, just clarifying. I am curious if he will guarantee he won't go to the hospital if he thinks he might die. In his eyes, perhaps just really unlucky. I wonder if he would go to the hospital if by some bizarre happening, he joined thousands of people who were healthy and died from covid.
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On September 04 2021 07:27 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 01:37 maybenexttime wrote:On September 03 2021 22:49 BlackJack wrote:
Facebook was censoring posts about coronavirus coming from the Wuhan lab until the Biden administration announced they were going to investigate that further. We now live in a world where a small group of people can determine what "the truth" is and they have the power to basically silence any dissenting opinions from the public forum that is social media. I think this is one of the most important events that has unfolded in my lifetime but it is hardly talked about. Fighting covid misinformation for public safety is the justification for this. Anyone more worried about covid than this is just naive, imo. No, as far as I know, Facebook was censoring posts claiming that the virus is a biological, man-made weapon created by the Wuhan lab. Subtle difference, I know. All viruses are "biological," and coming from the Wuhan lab already implies that it is "man-made." You're adding meaningless adjectives to make Facebook's censorship appear as narrow as possible. The only meaningful word you used here was "weapon." Here's facebook's official statement when they decided to reverse their decision Show nested quote +In a statement to CNN Business, a Facebook spokesperson said late Wednesday that, "In light of ongoing investigations into the origin of Covid-19 and in consultation with public health experts, we will no longer remove the claim that Covid-19 is man-made from our apps." The statement sure does make it sound like implying that it was "man-made," aka originating in the Wuhan lab, was being censored, not just posts that it was a weaponized virus. I don't need to prove that Facebook was wrong to censor posts about the origins of COVID. The simple fact that they changed their policy to no longer censor certain posts is all the evidence you need. Barring the existence of a time machine, the origin of COVID-19 is unchanged from 2 years ago so "the truth" has not changed, the only thing that has changed is what you're allowed to theorize about "the truth."
You try to sound like a smartass but only make yourself look like an idiot. A biological weapon as opposed to any other type of weapon. The controversial part was that it's a weapon and came from the Wuhan lab, not that viruses are biological. "Man-made" implies that it was tinkered with, either by means of genetic engineering (initial claims made by the crackpots, completely unfounded) or some other process. There is still no evidence for any of that.
Nothing in that statement specifies what sort of statements violated their policy. I doubt they were banning people for discussing whether the virus was accidentally leaked from the lab, considering that this hypothesis was discussed by scientists and mainstream media at length from the very beginning.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053
The ban in question pertained to the crackpot theories that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered by humans as a weapon. Those theories are as asinine as they were originally. Previously, Facebook didn't allow them to be discussed on the platform. Now it does. I fail to see your point. Those theories are still blatant misinformation.
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We have reached peak American-ness with this headline:
"Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says"
https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
This ivermectin craze is seriously getting out of hand. People are just buying huge quantities and overdosing left and right, thanks to Fox News and Joe Rogan and others, without even bothering to talk to a physician.
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On September 04 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 05:44 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 05:38 Anc13nt wrote:On September 04 2021 05:26 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 04:51 Artisreal wrote:
Just get the virus and stay isolated for 3 weeks.
Get a couple PCR kits that you can send in for testing whether you're safe to be around again.
No vaccine needed. Easy solution.
If you're afraid of mrna, get Sputnik or AZ. Thank you. This is my current solutions. By getting a vaccine tho I would not if I had to take it every year to sustain it. I'm happy atleast there is a choise still  to a certain degree why would you get a virus in order to prevent it? Are you actually serious? This is what our parents did with diseases back in the 60s. Sent kids to a person that got infecteds home, so that all of them could get infected and gain natural immunity. Here's a question: Will you vow to not go to the hospital, even if you think you will die from covid? If you are willing to die for this misguided shout out to the 60s (when we had no other option), and you are willing to isolate once you know you have covid, I have no issue with this perspective. But keep in mind that people who work in hospitals are asking you to get vaccinated. If you end up making their life worse because of your weird bravado, I'd say that is wildly unethical. So I will ask: If you think you're on the brink of death, are you willing to remain committed? Or will you go to the hospital?
We did it in Denmark also in 80s when I was i Kid. But only on infection that was safe to get as a young kid but can be really serious as adult. So if one kid had it other would visit kid so they could not get it as an adult. Can't remember the names in English but we call them kids deseas in Denmark. Most of population is immune to them, but with migration and people being born, travel and those not infected we still have them. Think must get a vaccine now, as u have to be certain age to get it. I remember being sick as kid just before I was to get vaccine.
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On September 04 2021 13:03 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:On September 04 2021 05:44 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 05:38 Anc13nt wrote:On September 04 2021 05:26 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 04:51 Artisreal wrote:
Just get the virus and stay isolated for 3 weeks.
Get a couple PCR kits that you can send in for testing whether you're safe to be around again.
No vaccine needed. Easy solution.
If you're afraid of mrna, get Sputnik or AZ. Thank you. This is my current solutions. By getting a vaccine tho I would not if I had to take it every year to sustain it. I'm happy atleast there is a choise still to a certain degree why would you get a virus in order to prevent it? Are you actually serious? This is what our parents did with diseases back in the 60s. Sent kids to a person that got infecteds home, so that all of them could get infected and gain natural immunity. Here's a question: Will you vow to not go to the hospital, even if you think you will die from covid? If you are willing to die for this misguided shout out to the 60s (when we had no other option), and you are willing to isolate once you know you have covid, I have no issue with this perspective. But keep in mind that people who work in hospitals are asking you to get vaccinated. If you end up making their life worse because of your weird bravado, I'd say that is wildly unethical. So I will ask: If you think you're on the brink of death, are you willing to remain committed? Or will you go to the hospital? We did it in Denmark also in 80s when I was i Kid. But only on infection that was safe to get as a young kid but can be really serious as adult. So if one kid had it other would visit kid so they could not get it as an adult. Can't remember the names in English but we call them kids deseas in Denmark. Most of population is immune to them, but with migration and people being born, travel and those not infected we still have them. Think must get a vaccine now, as u have to be certain age to get it. I remember being sick as kid just before I was to get vaccine.
Chicken pox is the common one. Makes you all spotty for a few days as a kid, and then it's over. Adults take way longer and feel weak and miserable during it, and it has a higher risk of complications.
That said, you're still better off never having chicken pox than having it as a kid. It can come back at any point during your life as shingles. So even for something as "benign" as chicken pox, it's a trade off between the risk of getting it as an adult and of having later problems with shingles. Covid is quite considerably worse than chicken pox...
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On September 04 2021 16:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 13:03 Sapaio wrote:On September 04 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:On September 04 2021 05:44 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 05:38 Anc13nt wrote:On September 04 2021 05:26 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 04:51 Artisreal wrote:
Just get the virus and stay isolated for 3 weeks.
Get a couple PCR kits that you can send in for testing whether you're safe to be around again.
No vaccine needed. Easy solution.
If you're afraid of mrna, get Sputnik or AZ. Thank you. This is my current solutions. By getting a vaccine tho I would not if I had to take it every year to sustain it. I'm happy atleast there is a choise still to a certain degree why would you get a virus in order to prevent it? Are you actually serious? This is what our parents did with diseases back in the 60s. Sent kids to a person that got infecteds home, so that all of them could get infected and gain natural immunity. Here's a question: Will you vow to not go to the hospital, even if you think you will die from covid? If you are willing to die for this misguided shout out to the 60s (when we had no other option), and you are willing to isolate once you know you have covid, I have no issue with this perspective. But keep in mind that people who work in hospitals are asking you to get vaccinated. If you end up making their life worse because of your weird bravado, I'd say that is wildly unethical. So I will ask: If you think you're on the brink of death, are you willing to remain committed? Or will you go to the hospital? We did it in Denmark also in 80s when I was i Kid. But only on infection that was safe to get as a young kid but can be really serious as adult. So if one kid had it other would visit kid so they could not get it as an adult. Can't remember the names in English but we call them kids deseas in Denmark. Most of population is immune to them, but with migration and people being born, travel and those not infected we still have them. Think must get a vaccine now, as u have to be certain age to get it. I remember being sick as kid just before I was to get vaccine. Chicken pox is the common one. Makes you all spotty for a few days as a kid, and then it's over. Adults take way longer and feel weak and miserable during it, and it has a higher risk of complications. That said, you're still better off never having chicken pox than having it as a kid. It can come back at any point during your life as shingles. So even for something as "benign" as chicken pox, it's a trade off between the risk of getting it as an adult and of having later problems with shingles. Covid is quite considerably worse than chicken pox...
But it will be hard getting either convid or a vaccination for it, unless you live in a glass bobble and never leave it. Not saying we should give kids convid on purpose but think letting kids to school and not closing the after a single case would be the way to go. Although infecting all healthy kids to get this over with seems tempting but unethical
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On September 04 2021 16:49 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 16:36 Acrofales wrote:On September 04 2021 13:03 Sapaio wrote:On September 04 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:On September 04 2021 05:44 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 05:38 Anc13nt wrote:On September 04 2021 05:26 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 04:51 Artisreal wrote:
Just get the virus and stay isolated for 3 weeks.
Get a couple PCR kits that you can send in for testing whether you're safe to be around again.
No vaccine needed. Easy solution.
If you're afraid of mrna, get Sputnik or AZ. Thank you. This is my current solutions. By getting a vaccine tho I would not if I had to take it every year to sustain it. I'm happy atleast there is a choise still to a certain degree why would you get a virus in order to prevent it? Are you actually serious? This is what our parents did with diseases back in the 60s. Sent kids to a person that got infecteds home, so that all of them could get infected and gain natural immunity. Here's a question: Will you vow to not go to the hospital, even if you think you will die from covid? If you are willing to die for this misguided shout out to the 60s (when we had no other option), and you are willing to isolate once you know you have covid, I have no issue with this perspective. But keep in mind that people who work in hospitals are asking you to get vaccinated. If you end up making their life worse because of your weird bravado, I'd say that is wildly unethical. So I will ask: If you think you're on the brink of death, are you willing to remain committed? Or will you go to the hospital? We did it in Denmark also in 80s when I was i Kid. But only on infection that was safe to get as a young kid but can be really serious as adult. So if one kid had it other would visit kid so they could not get it as an adult. Can't remember the names in English but we call them kids deseas in Denmark. Most of population is immune to them, but with migration and people being born, travel and those not infected we still have them. Think must get a vaccine now, as u have to be certain age to get it. I remember being sick as kid just before I was to get vaccine. Chicken pox is the common one. Makes you all spotty for a few days as a kid, and then it's over. Adults take way longer and feel weak and miserable during it, and it has a higher risk of complications. That said, you're still better off never having chicken pox than having it as a kid. It can come back at any point during your life as shingles. So even for something as "benign" as chicken pox, it's a trade off between the risk of getting it as an adult and of having later problems with shingles. Covid is quite considerably worse than chicken pox... But it will be hard getting either convid or a vaccination for it, unless you live in a glass bobble and never leave it. Not saying we should give kids convid on purpose but think letting kids to school and not closing the after a single case would be the way to go. Although infecting all healthy kids to get this over with seems tempting but unethical
I was more responding to phan2m's ridiculous proposal for *him* to have Covid parties rather than get vaccinated.
Kids are obviously going to go back to school and they are going to be kids there. I was talking to the daughter of a friend and Spain (or at least Catalonia) has a mask mandate in schools. She's really not happy about it, and it doesn't make a lot of sense. I've seen teenagers in the street and they hug one another, share bottles of drink/food, etc. Obviously that isn't great behaviour, but it's the reality. Then they go into the classroom and wear a mask for 8 hours? Who are we kidding here that this will stop Covid spreading? I offered that it might help protect the teachers, but it's not going to stop spread among the kids themselves. And these are teenagers. Most have received at least one dose of vaccine by now as well! Kids under 12 are unvaccinated, and probably even more prone to Covid-spreading behaviour. There isn't much doubt in my mind that children are going to infect one another when they go back to school.
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On September 04 2021 16:49 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 16:36 Acrofales wrote:On September 04 2021 13:03 Sapaio wrote:On September 04 2021 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:On September 04 2021 05:44 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 05:38 Anc13nt wrote:On September 04 2021 05:26 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 04:51 Artisreal wrote:
Just get the virus and stay isolated for 3 weeks.
Get a couple PCR kits that you can send in for testing whether you're safe to be around again.
No vaccine needed. Easy solution.
If you're afraid of mrna, get Sputnik or AZ. Thank you. This is my current solutions. By getting a vaccine tho I would not if I had to take it every year to sustain it. I'm happy atleast there is a choise still to a certain degree why would you get a virus in order to prevent it? Are you actually serious? This is what our parents did with diseases back in the 60s. Sent kids to a person that got infecteds home, so that all of them could get infected and gain natural immunity. Here's a question: Will you vow to not go to the hospital, even if you think you will die from covid? If you are willing to die for this misguided shout out to the 60s (when we had no other option), and you are willing to isolate once you know you have covid, I have no issue with this perspective. But keep in mind that people who work in hospitals are asking you to get vaccinated. If you end up making their life worse because of your weird bravado, I'd say that is wildly unethical. So I will ask: If you think you're on the brink of death, are you willing to remain committed? Or will you go to the hospital? We did it in Denmark also in 80s when I was i Kid. But only on infection that was safe to get as a young kid but can be really serious as adult. So if one kid had it other would visit kid so they could not get it as an adult. Can't remember the names in English but we call them kids deseas in Denmark. Most of population is immune to them, but with migration and people being born, travel and those not infected we still have them. Think must get a vaccine now, as u have to be certain age to get it. I remember being sick as kid just before I was to get vaccine. Chicken pox is the common one. Makes you all spotty for a few days as a kid, and then it's over. Adults take way longer and feel weak and miserable during it, and it has a higher risk of complications. That said, you're still better off never having chicken pox than having it as a kid. It can come back at any point during your life as shingles. So even for something as "benign" as chicken pox, it's a trade off between the risk of getting it as an adult and of having later problems with shingles. Covid is quite considerably worse than chicken pox... But it will be hard getting either convid or a vaccination for it, unless you live in a glass bobble and never leave it. Not saying we should give kids convid on purpose but think letting kids to school and not closing the after a single case would be the way to go. Although infecting all healthy kids to get this over with seems tempting but unethical A big problem with just letting kids get infected is that they then go home and infect 2 adults.
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On September 04 2021 09:28 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 07:27 BlackJack wrote:On September 04 2021 01:37 maybenexttime wrote:On September 03 2021 22:49 BlackJack wrote:
Facebook was censoring posts about coronavirus coming from the Wuhan lab until the Biden administration announced they were going to investigate that further. We now live in a world where a small group of people can determine what "the truth" is and they have the power to basically silence any dissenting opinions from the public forum that is social media. I think this is one of the most important events that has unfolded in my lifetime but it is hardly talked about. Fighting covid misinformation for public safety is the justification for this. Anyone more worried about covid than this is just naive, imo. No, as far as I know, Facebook was censoring posts claiming that the virus is a biological, man-made weapon created by the Wuhan lab. Subtle difference, I know. All viruses are "biological," and coming from the Wuhan lab already implies that it is "man-made." You're adding meaningless adjectives to make Facebook's censorship appear as narrow as possible. The only meaningful word you used here was "weapon." Here's facebook's official statement when they decided to reverse their decision In a statement to CNN Business, a Facebook spokesperson said late Wednesday that, "In light of ongoing investigations into the origin of Covid-19 and in consultation with public health experts, we will no longer remove the claim that Covid-19 is man-made from our apps." The statement sure does make it sound like implying that it was "man-made," aka originating in the Wuhan lab, was being censored, not just posts that it was a weaponized virus. I don't need to prove that Facebook was wrong to censor posts about the origins of COVID. The simple fact that they changed their policy to no longer censor certain posts is all the evidence you need. Barring the existence of a time machine, the origin of COVID-19 is unchanged from 2 years ago so "the truth" has not changed, the only thing that has changed is what you're allowed to theorize about "the truth." You try to sound like a smartass but only make yourself look like an idiot. A biological weapon as opposed to any other type of weapon. The controversial part was that it's a weapon and came from the Wuhan lab, not that viruses are biological. "Man-made" implies that it was tinkered with, either by means of genetic engineering (initial claims made by the crackpots, completely unfounded) or some other process. There is still no evidence for any of that. Nothing in that statement specifies what sort of statements violated their policy. I doubt they were banning people for discussing whether the virus was accidentally leaked from the lab, considering that this hypothesis was discussed by scientists and mainstream media at length from the very beginning. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053The ban in question pertained to the crackpot theories that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered by humans as a weapon. Those theories are as asinine as they were originally. Previously, Facebook didn't allow them to be discussed on the platform. Now it does. I fail to see your point. Those theories are still blatant misinformation.
"A biological weapon as opposed to any other type of weapon"??? I accused you of using superfluous adjectives to try to paint a more narrow picture of what facebook was censoring. If you really think you need to specify that a virus is a biological weapon as opposed to say, a nuclear weapon, then I really don't think you should be calling me an idiot. "A biological man-made weaponized virus" is literally the exact same thing as "a weaponized virus."
But that's really besides the point. As for your idea that facebook only removed the crackpot ideas that COVID-19 was a weaponized virus to kill people or whatever...
https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/facebooks-covid-coverup/
New York magazine’s latest cover story, “The Lab-Leak Hypothesis,” concludes that COVID-19 is a human-engineered virus that escaped from a Wuhan lab — the very same theory that moved Facebook to suppress a Post opinion piece for weeks last year.
Steven W. Mosher only called it a possibility in these pages on Feb. 23, 2020. But Facebook quickly moved to suppress the column as “False Information” — and wouldn’t unblock it until April 17.
Even facebook's own website said that they will remove "claims that COVID was man-made or manufactured." Period. Not claims that it was man-made as a weapon to do such and such. Just any and all claims that it was created in a lab. This is the policy that was overturned once people on the left started to get on board to this possibility.
https://about.fb.com/news/2020/04/covid-19-misinfo-update/#removing-more-false-claims
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On September 04 2021 19:07 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 09:28 maybenexttime wrote:On September 04 2021 07:27 BlackJack wrote:On September 04 2021 01:37 maybenexttime wrote:On September 03 2021 22:49 BlackJack wrote:
Facebook was censoring posts about coronavirus coming from the Wuhan lab until the Biden administration announced they were going to investigate that further. We now live in a world where a small group of people can determine what "the truth" is and they have the power to basically silence any dissenting opinions from the public forum that is social media. I think this is one of the most important events that has unfolded in my lifetime but it is hardly talked about. Fighting covid misinformation for public safety is the justification for this. Anyone more worried about covid than this is just naive, imo. No, as far as I know, Facebook was censoring posts claiming that the virus is a biological, man-made weapon created by the Wuhan lab. Subtle difference, I know. All viruses are "biological," and coming from the Wuhan lab already implies that it is "man-made." You're adding meaningless adjectives to make Facebook's censorship appear as narrow as possible. The only meaningful word you used here was "weapon." Here's facebook's official statement when they decided to reverse their decision In a statement to CNN Business, a Facebook spokesperson said late Wednesday that, "In light of ongoing investigations into the origin of Covid-19 and in consultation with public health experts, we will no longer remove the claim that Covid-19 is man-made from our apps." The statement sure does make it sound like implying that it was "man-made," aka originating in the Wuhan lab, was being censored, not just posts that it was a weaponized virus. I don't need to prove that Facebook was wrong to censor posts about the origins of COVID. The simple fact that they changed their policy to no longer censor certain posts is all the evidence you need. Barring the existence of a time machine, the origin of COVID-19 is unchanged from 2 years ago so "the truth" has not changed, the only thing that has changed is what you're allowed to theorize about "the truth." You try to sound like a smartass but only make yourself look like an idiot. A biological weapon as opposed to any other type of weapon. The controversial part was that it's a weapon and came from the Wuhan lab, not that viruses are biological. "Man-made" implies that it was tinkered with, either by means of genetic engineering (initial claims made by the crackpots, completely unfounded) or some other process. There is still no evidence for any of that. Nothing in that statement specifies what sort of statements violated their policy. I doubt they were banning people for discussing whether the virus was accidentally leaked from the lab, considering that this hypothesis was discussed by scientists and mainstream media at length from the very beginning. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053The ban in question pertained to the crackpot theories that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered by humans as a weapon. Those theories are as asinine as they were originally. Previously, Facebook didn't allow them to be discussed on the platform. Now it does. I fail to see your point. Those theories are still blatant misinformation. "A biological weapon as opposed to any other type of weapon"??? I accused you of using superfluous adjectives to try to paint a more narrow picture of what facebook was censoring. If you really think you need to specify that a virus is a biological weapon as opposed to say, a nuclear weapon, then I really don't think you should be calling me an idiot. "A biological man-made weaponized virus" is literally the exact same thing as "a weaponized virus." But that's really besides the point. As for your idea that facebook only removed the crackpot ideas that COVID-19 was a weaponized virus to kill people or whatever... https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/facebooks-covid-coverup/Show nested quote +New York magazine’s latest cover story, “The Lab-Leak Hypothesis,” concludes that COVID-19 is a human-engineered virus that escaped from a Wuhan lab — the very same theory that moved Facebook to suppress a Post opinion piece for weeks last year.
Steven W. Mosher only called it a possibility in these pages on Feb. 23, 2020. But Facebook quickly moved to suppress the column as “False Information” — and wouldn’t unblock it until April 17. Even facebook's own website said that they will remove "claims that COVID was man-made or manufactured." Period. Not claims that it was man-made as a weapon to do such and such. Just any and all claims that it was created in a lab. This is the policy that was overturned once people on the left started to get on board to this possibility. https://about.fb.com/news/2020/04/covid-19-misinfo-update/#removing-more-false-claims
Are you really this fucking thick? No, a biological, man-made weapon is not the same thing as a weaponized virus. The former assumes it was given properties it didn't have before to make it more deadly/virulent. The latter assumes it had those properties to start with and was merely used as a weapon, similarly to how anthrax was weaponized.
I don't need to paint a more narrow picture of what Facebook was censoring. They did it themselves. Your own source says exactly what I said: "human-engineered", i.e. man-made. That's the crackpot part that there is zero evidence for. That's what Facebook didn't like. Reading comprehension is clearly not you strong suit.
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Got my first jab today from the Johnson brothers, now hoping I won't grow warts in unusual places. Would rather develop time travel powers instead.
The nurse who gave me the vaccine also gave me advice when I asked him about what I could say to my dad (who got infected last year and is not intending to get vaccinated). He explained three things about covid-19.
One, the disease can chronically impact the lungs, hardening them and making it difficult to breathe. Some people have received a lung donation as a result of this condition. It also requires lifelong medication, that is if the surgery is successful.
He said that this is the most important thing that people need to hear.
Two, the reason why people lose their sense of smell is because the disease affects the vascular cells in the nervous system. In short: the disease messes with the function(s) of the brain.
Three, the people who got infected do in fact not have a strong protection against covid-19 for, say, a year and beyond. This is for two reasons. Firstly, the immunity wanes over time, as is commonly known. Secondly, some new variants (like Delta) are better at overcoming previously existing immunity. This problem won't go away as long as the virus keeps circulating.
He said that previously infected people are getting reinfected, and that at a higher rate than those who later received a vaccine.
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On September 04 2021 05:44 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 05:38 Anc13nt wrote:On September 04 2021 05:26 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 04 2021 04:51 Artisreal wrote:
Just get the virus and stay isolated for 3 weeks.
Get a couple PCR kits that you can send in for testing whether you're safe to be around again.
No vaccine needed. Easy solution.
If you're afraid of mrna, get Sputnik or AZ. Thank you. This is my current solutions. By getting a vaccine tho I would not if I had to take it every year to sustain it. I'm happy atleast there is a choise still to a certain degree why would you get a virus in order to prevent it? Are you actually serious? This is what our parents did with diseases back in the 60s. Sent kids to a person that got infecteds home, so that all of them could get infected and gain natural immunity.
To show you how this isn't a reason to do something:
For our parents* it was illegal to be in a gay relationship until 1994 with people still being incarcerated in the 90s for a gay relationship.
It was legal to rape your spouse as a man UNTIL 1997.
It was legal to beat kids.
Many, many, many kids died because they got illnesses that are now guarded against with vaccines.
Another reason why that is stupid: they had no other choice. We could talk about this for a while and make no progress, thus I will implore you to look for a safe option to gain immunity that does not compromise others.
Doing something because your parents did so is nothing but blind obedience.
*of course it's my parents and legal stuff applies to Germany.
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On September 04 2021 19:07 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 09:28 maybenexttime wrote:On September 04 2021 07:27 BlackJack wrote:On September 04 2021 01:37 maybenexttime wrote:On September 03 2021 22:49 BlackJack wrote:
Facebook was censoring posts about coronavirus coming from the Wuhan lab until the Biden administration announced they were going to investigate that further. We now live in a world where a small group of people can determine what "the truth" is and they have the power to basically silence any dissenting opinions from the public forum that is social media. I think this is one of the most important events that has unfolded in my lifetime but it is hardly talked about. Fighting covid misinformation for public safety is the justification for this. Anyone more worried about covid than this is just naive, imo. No, as far as I know, Facebook was censoring posts claiming that the virus is a biological, man-made weapon created by the Wuhan lab. Subtle difference, I know. All viruses are "biological," and coming from the Wuhan lab already implies that it is "man-made." You're adding meaningless adjectives to make Facebook's censorship appear as narrow as possible. The only meaningful word you used here was "weapon." Here's facebook's official statement when they decided to reverse their decision In a statement to CNN Business, a Facebook spokesperson said late Wednesday that, "In light of ongoing investigations into the origin of Covid-19 and in consultation with public health experts, we will no longer remove the claim that Covid-19 is man-made from our apps." The statement sure does make it sound like implying that it was "man-made," aka originating in the Wuhan lab, was being censored, not just posts that it was a weaponized virus. I don't need to prove that Facebook was wrong to censor posts about the origins of COVID. The simple fact that they changed their policy to no longer censor certain posts is all the evidence you need. Barring the existence of a time machine, the origin of COVID-19 is unchanged from 2 years ago so "the truth" has not changed, the only thing that has changed is what you're allowed to theorize about "the truth." You try to sound like a smartass but only make yourself look like an idiot. A biological weapon as opposed to any other type of weapon. The controversial part was that it's a weapon and came from the Wuhan lab, not that viruses are biological. "Man-made" implies that it was tinkered with, either by means of genetic engineering (initial claims made by the crackpots, completely unfounded) or some other process. There is still no evidence for any of that. Nothing in that statement specifies what sort of statements violated their policy. I doubt they were banning people for discussing whether the virus was accidentally leaked from the lab, considering that this hypothesis was discussed by scientists and mainstream media at length from the very beginning. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053The ban in question pertained to the crackpot theories that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered by humans as a weapon. Those theories are as asinine as they were originally. Previously, Facebook didn't allow them to be discussed on the platform. Now it does. I fail to see your point. Those theories are still blatant misinformation. "A biological weapon as opposed to any other type of weapon"??? I accused you of using superfluous adjectives to try to paint a more narrow picture of what facebook was censoring. If you really think you need to specify that a virus is a biological weapon as opposed to say, a nuclear weapon, then I really don't think you should be calling me an idiot. "A biological man-made weaponized virus" is literally the exact same thing as "a weaponized virus." But that's really besides the point. As for your idea that facebook only removed the crackpot ideas that COVID-19 was a weaponized virus to kill people or whatever... https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/facebooks-covid-coverup/Show nested quote +New York magazine’s latest cover story, “The Lab-Leak Hypothesis,” concludes that COVID-19 is a human-engineered virus that escaped from a Wuhan lab — the very same theory that moved Facebook to suppress a Post opinion piece for weeks last year.
Steven W. Mosher only called it a possibility in these pages on Feb. 23, 2020. But Facebook quickly moved to suppress the column as “False Information” — and wouldn’t unblock it until April 17. Even facebook's own website said that they will remove "claims that COVID was man-made or manufactured." Period. Not claims that it was man-made as a weapon to do such and such. Just any and all claims that it was created in a lab. This is the policy that was overturned once people on the left started to get on board to this possibility. https://about.fb.com/news/2020/04/covid-19-misinfo-update/#removing-more-false-claims
A deliberately constructed biological weapon is not the same as weaponising an existent virus, is not the same again as a virus being altered and studied for knowledge as to future preventative medicine getting loose.
As with much of their efforts in domain, Facebook rather fucked up in what and how they censored.
They, and others will continue to do so until there’s at least a vague societal consensus on how their power should be wielded, constricted, or not.
For my money:
1. It’s a news platform, it just is. Bring it up to a similar code as the existing news media.
2. This isn’t crazy town, platforms can’t get around copyright by claiming they’re just an aggregator.
3. It’s too much work to manually moderate content. Equally automated processes tend to catch just as many who aren’t transgressing the intent of the process as those who are. I mean I once copped a 30 day ban for saying ‘I won’t use the word (n-word) as I find it a profoundly ugly word’.
4. I’m not sure cleaning up should be a top-down, Facebook to user process, as I mentioned it’s too unwieldy. An ‘alternate view’ could be handy. Users could tag a counter-perspective article or two, and people could check them out. This could be a feature rolled out more broadly than current ‘fact checking’, and be more ideologically broad too.
I could go on, some middle ground between an unvetted free for all that has people taking horse de-wormer and a platform that censors information according to particular sensibilities is not an impossibility, and I don’t think either extreme end of the scale is particularly desirable.
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The problem with censoring conspiracy theories is that every now and again one will be correct. This idea that we should censor things that are not only obvious hoaxes but also anything that is considered "misinformation" seems quite new. For most of facebook's history people could freely talk about George Bush putting thermite in the WTC to murder thousands of Americans or vaccines causing autism. Both of which are far more of "crackpot" disproven theories than gain-of-function research being done on coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab.
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On September 05 2021 04:29 BlackJack wrote:
The problem with censoring conspiracy theories is that every now and again one will be correct. This idea that we should censor things that are not only obvious hoaxes but also anything that is considered "misinformation" seems quite new. For most of facebook's history people could freely talk about George Bush putting thermite in the WTC to murder thousands of Americans or vaccines causing autism. Both of which are far more of "crackpot" disproven theories than gain-of-function research being done on coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab.
I don't think conspiracy theories should be censored. But I do think antivax stuff should be censored because it is a public health issue. They can go to town on moon landing and flat earth all they want because they won't hurt anyone.
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Boosters were rolled out in record high cases Israel to everyone 12 and up last week, they are making preparations now for the second booster (fourth shot) which should be around Feb-March (maybe January for 60+).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/
Virus czar calls to begin readying for eventual 4th vaccine dose
Israel — the first country to officially offer a third dose — began its COVID booster campaign on August 1, rolling it out to all those over the age of 60. It then gradually dropped the eligibility age, expanding it last week to everyone age 12 and up who received the second shot at least five months ago.
The Health Ministry last week also announced that the “Green Pass” system — a document that allows entry into certain gatherings and public places for those who are vaccinated or have recovered from the coronavirus — will expire six months after the holder received their second or third dose, hinting that a fourth dose may be administered in six-months time.
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On September 04 2021 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:We have reached peak American-ness with this headline: "Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says" https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall This ivermectin craze is seriously getting out of hand. People are just buying huge quantities and overdosing left and right, thanks to Fox News and Joe Rogan and others, without even bothering to talk to a physician.
Fake news, debunked by the hospital itself.
https://nhssequoyah.com/
The message below should popup when you visit the above site but they have also posted an identical message on their facebook page here : https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4192195714168045&id=1764412370279737&m_entstream_source=timeline
Message from the administration of Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.
With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.
NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.
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