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On September 05 2021 04:29 BlackJack wrote:
The problem with censoring conspiracy theories is that every now and again one will be correct. This idea that we should censor things that are not only obvious hoaxes but also anything that is considered "misinformation" seems quite new. For most of facebook's history people could freely talk about George Bush putting thermite in the WTC to murder thousands of Americans or vaccines causing autism. Both of which are far more of "crackpot" disproven theories than gain-of-function research being done on coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab.
The medium has shifted in a way that’s blending social communication with how people consume news, science and subsequently form their actual world views.
Conspiracy theories were the purview of crackpots and folks who found things interesting and wanted to discuss JFK theories over a few beers.
I don’t think it necessarily requires censorship either, better curation goes a long way, and companies have totally abdicated this except for the odd time they half ass it and don’t do it well.
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On September 05 2021 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2021 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:We have reached peak American-ness with this headline: "Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says" https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall This ivermectin craze is seriously getting out of hand. People are just buying huge quantities and overdosing left and right, thanks to Fox News and Joe Rogan and others, without even bothering to talk to a physician. Fake news, debunked by the hospital itself. https://nhssequoyah.com/The message below should popup when you visit the above site but they have also posted an identical message on their facebook page here : https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4192195714168045&id=1764412370279737&m_entstream_source=timelineShow nested quote +Message from the administration of Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.
With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.
NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.
Thank you for posting this, as the guy's quote was certainly believed by a bunch of news sources. It's nice to know that there's still room for both gunshot victims and ivermectin abusers in hospitals.
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I love the idea of people defending cattle dewormer as if it is made by some sort of not scientists. Like they are crazy defensive of cattle dewormer and the science of it but vaccines are some sorts mega Corp robocop dystopia thing. Like some kinda mild mannered farmer put hay and dirt together and came up with dewormer and then spread it amongst his community to fight big pharma. It’s just wild.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On September 05 2021 14:24 Mohdoo wrote:
I love the idea of people defending cattle dewormer as if it is made by some sort of not scientists. Like they are crazy defensive of cattle dewormer and the science of it but vaccines are some sorts mega Corp robocop dystopia thing. Like some kinda mild mannered farmer put hay and dirt together and came up with dewormer and then spread it amongst his community to fight big pharma. It’s just wild.
Well see the bad stuff they’re lying to you about is made by big pharma and the good healthy stuff is made by mom and pop pharma.
It’s all very confusing, this ‘big pharma’ business. I don’t think it’s overly controversial that there is a negative impact due to the profit incentive in US healthcare for insurers and pharmaceutical producers. That the opioid crisis exists as a relatively unique America phenomenon, or uptake of mental health meds are atypically high would suggest this isn’t hypothetically. If structurally enabled by insurance companies unwilling to fund more expensive treatment courses to protect their bottom line, pharmaceutical companies are happy to also profit from their wares being flogged, even if there are longer term deleterious impacts on public health.
Suggest something crazy and never-before tried such as, I don’t know socialised healthcare to mitigate big pharma’s reach, and quel surprise those downing shots of equine worm annihilation don’t want that either.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On September 05 2021 13:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2021 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 04 2021 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:We have reached peak American-ness with this headline: "Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says" https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall This ivermectin craze is seriously getting out of hand. People are just buying huge quantities and overdosing left and right, thanks to Fox News and Joe Rogan and others, without even bothering to talk to a physician. Fake news, debunked by the hospital itself. https://nhssequoyah.com/The message below should popup when you visit the above site but they have also posted an identical message on their facebook page here : https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4192195714168045&id=1764412370279737&m_entstream_source=timelineMessage from the administration of Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.
With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.
NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. Thank you for posting this, as the guy's quote was certainly believed by a bunch of news sources. It's nice to know that there's still room for both gunshot victims and ivermectin abusers in hospitals.
It would be nice if reporters did their job in the first place rather than being lazy and getting the sexier headline.
Seen this spread like wildfire all over the place, didn’t share it myself but my bullshit radar let me down admittedly.
I’m sure there have been associated hospitalisations but not in sufficient number to overwhelm hospitals. Just as the craze for eating tide pods did see some people with extremely awkward conversation to make in ER rooms, but didn’t exactly overwhelm the public health system.
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On September 05 2021 20:44 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2021 13:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 05 2021 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 04 2021 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:We have reached peak American-ness with this headline: "Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says" https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall This ivermectin craze is seriously getting out of hand. People are just buying huge quantities and overdosing left and right, thanks to Fox News and Joe Rogan and others, without even bothering to talk to a physician. Fake news, debunked by the hospital itself. https://nhssequoyah.com/The message below should popup when you visit the above site but they have also posted an identical message on their facebook page here : https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4192195714168045&id=1764412370279737&m_entstream_source=timelineMessage from the administration of Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.
With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.
NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. Thank you for posting this, as the guy's quote was certainly believed by a bunch of news sources. It's nice to know that there's still room for both gunshot victims and ivermectin abusers in hospitals. It would be nice if reporters did their job in the first place rather than being lazy and getting the sexier headline. Seen this spread like wildfire all over the place, didn’t share it myself but my bullshit radar let me down admittedly. I’m sure there have been associated hospitalisations but not in sufficient number to overwhelm hospitals. Just as the craze for eating tide pods did see some people with extremely awkward conversation to make in ER rooms, but didn’t exactly overwhelm the public health system.
Given that some states have been on-and-off at full capacity with their hospitals, plus the fact that those same states are the ones who receive a ton of poison control calls due to overdosing on ivermectin, I don't think it's that much of a leap to think that people taking their own versions (or Fox News's versions) of home remedies to prevent/fight covid could end up filling the last few ER beds, which could force an unfortunate triage situation between them and others who also need the emergency room.
It's good to establish the truth that this doctor was lying and the reporters totally should have vetted this with the hospital; the lie isn't particularly unbelievable though.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On September 05 2021 22:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2021 20:44 WombaT wrote:On September 05 2021 13:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 05 2021 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 04 2021 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:We have reached peak American-ness with this headline: "Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says" https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall This ivermectin craze is seriously getting out of hand. People are just buying huge quantities and overdosing left and right, thanks to Fox News and Joe Rogan and others, without even bothering to talk to a physician. Fake news, debunked by the hospital itself. https://nhssequoyah.com/The message below should popup when you visit the above site but they have also posted an identical message on their facebook page here : https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4192195714168045&id=1764412370279737&m_entstream_source=timelineMessage from the administration of Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.
With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.
NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. Thank you for posting this, as the guy's quote was certainly believed by a bunch of news sources. It's nice to know that there's still room for both gunshot victims and ivermectin abusers in hospitals. It would be nice if reporters did their job in the first place rather than being lazy and getting the sexier headline. Seen this spread like wildfire all over the place, didn’t share it myself but my bullshit radar let me down admittedly. I’m sure there have been associated hospitalisations but not in sufficient number to overwhelm hospitals. Just as the craze for eating tide pods did see some people with extremely awkward conversation to make in ER rooms, but didn’t exactly overwhelm the public health system. Given that some states have been on-and-off at full capacity with their hospitals, plus the fact that those same states are the ones who receive a ton of poison control calls due to overdosing on ivermectin, I don't think it's that much of a leap to think that people taking their own versions (or Fox News's versions) of home remedies to prevent/fight covid could end up filling the last few ER beds, which could force an unfortunate triage situation between them and others who also need the emergency room. It's good to establish the truth that this doctor was lying and the reporters totally should have vetted this with the hospital; the lie isn't particularly unbelievable though.
Those are the ones reporters should be most vigilant on, end of the day bullshit is bullshit. No doubt this will recirculate as ‘proof’ that the MSM is trying to suppress the effectiveness of ivermectin.
People taking horse dewormer, rather than the much more fun horse tranquilliser is fucking ridiculous enough without gilding the lily.
It’s absolutely conceivable that in places where hospitals are overloaded due to totally unnecessary unvaccinated hospitalisations that basically anything on top of that is necessitating triage that shouldn’t be necessary. Be it ivermectin idiocy, some badly executed auto-erotic asphyxiation, an over-ambitious attempt at the classic clown car gag or less self-inflicted health issues.
But yeah I mean, ultimately people are taking fucking ivermectin for Covid so, things are pretty bloody silly, even if this case wasn’t as was reported.
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On September 06 2021 00:18 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2021 22:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 05 2021 20:44 WombaT wrote:On September 05 2021 13:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 05 2021 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 04 2021 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:We have reached peak American-ness with this headline: "Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says" https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall This ivermectin craze is seriously getting out of hand. People are just buying huge quantities and overdosing left and right, thanks to Fox News and Joe Rogan and others, without even bothering to talk to a physician. Fake news, debunked by the hospital itself. https://nhssequoyah.com/The message below should popup when you visit the above site but they have also posted an identical message on their facebook page here : https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4192195714168045&id=1764412370279737&m_entstream_source=timelineMessage from the administration of Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.
With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.
NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. Thank you for posting this, as the guy's quote was certainly believed by a bunch of news sources. It's nice to know that there's still room for both gunshot victims and ivermectin abusers in hospitals. It would be nice if reporters did their job in the first place rather than being lazy and getting the sexier headline. Seen this spread like wildfire all over the place, didn’t share it myself but my bullshit radar let me down admittedly. I’m sure there have been associated hospitalisations but not in sufficient number to overwhelm hospitals. Just as the craze for eating tide pods did see some people with extremely awkward conversation to make in ER rooms, but didn’t exactly overwhelm the public health system. Given that some states have been on-and-off at full capacity with their hospitals, plus the fact that those same states are the ones who receive a ton of poison control calls due to overdosing on ivermectin, I don't think it's that much of a leap to think that people taking their own versions (or Fox News's versions) of home remedies to prevent/fight covid could end up filling the last few ER beds, which could force an unfortunate triage situation between them and others who also need the emergency room. It's good to establish the truth that this doctor was lying and the reporters totally should have vetted this with the hospital; the lie isn't particularly unbelievable though. Those are the ones reporters should be most vigilant on, end of the day bullshit is bullshit. No doubt this will recirculate as ‘proof’ that the MSM is trying to suppress the effectiveness of ivermectin. People taking horse dewormer, rather than the much more fun horse tranquilliser is fucking ridiculous enough without gilding the lily. It’s absolutely conceivable that in places where hospitals are overloaded due to totally unnecessary unvaccinated hospitalisations that basically anything on top of that is necessitating triage that shouldn’t be necessary. Be it ivermectin idiocy, some badly executed auto-erotic asphyxiation, an over-ambitious attempt at the classic clown car gag or less self-inflicted health issues. But yeah I mean, ultimately people are taking fucking ivermectin for Covid so, things are pretty bloody silly, even if this case wasn’t as was reported.
Totally agree.
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On September 06 2021 00:27 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2021 18:24 BlackJack wrote:On July 30 2021 21:51 JimmiC wrote:On July 30 2021 19:03 BlackJack wrote:On July 30 2021 09:14 JimmiC wrote:On July 30 2021 07:57 BlackJack wrote:On July 28 2021 17:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:7 child patients admitted to ICU with 2,650 cases statewide.Is this because of the obesity rate in Alabama? For context UK data from actual studies showed that the risk to children under 18 of being admitted to ICU was 1 in 38,911 with a death rate of around 2 per million. https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2021/july/ncmd-covidrisks.htmlOne preprint study*, published on the medRxiv server, found that 251 young people aged under 18 in England were admitted to intensive care with Covid-19 during the first year of the pandemic (until the end of February 2021).
Looking separately at PIMS-TS*, a rare inflammatory syndrome in children caused by Covid-19, the researchers found that 309 young people were admitted to intensive care with this condition – equating to an absolute risk of one in 38,911.
A linked preprint study**, also published on the medRxiv server and looking at data for England, concluded that 25 children and young people had died as a result of Covid-19, equating to an absolute risk of death from Covid-19 of one in 481,000, or approximately two in a million.
Additionally Dr Whittaker of Imperial College London states that Delta variant has had no real impact on these figures Dr Elizabeth Whittaker (Imperial College London) said: “It is reassuring that these findings reflect our clinical experience in hospital – we see very few seriously unwell children. Although this data covers up to February 2021, this hasn’t changed recently with the Delta variant. We hope this data will be reassuring for children and young people and their families.” I'd suggest those numbers of 7 out of 2,650 child cases being in ICU either they are drastically undercounting the number of COVID cases in kids in Alabama or that kids in Alabama are more obese and unhealthy than UK kids.Likely a combination. Do you care to reiterate the point you are trying to make because it really sounds like you are comparing apples to oranges. How exactly are you concluding that 7 ICU cases in Alabama represents a much higher incidence than 309 ICU cases in England? Seems like the denominator you are using for Alabama is "active covid cases" and the denominator you are using for England is "the entire pediatric population of the entire country." There are 1MM+ children in Alabama so 7 ICU cases represents about 1 in 150,000. Because 7 out of 311 is a lot more than 1 in 38911 And it's not only in Bama at least Florida, gerogia, Missouri are also breaking child records. On top of that half of people who get hospitalized get long term consequences, serious ones. https://scitechdaily.com/half-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-develop-a-complication/amp/The authors say that complications in patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are high, even in young, previously healthy individuals — with 27% of 19-29-year-olds and 37% of 30-39-year-olds experiencing a complication. They also note that acute complications are associated with reduced ability to self-care at discharge — with 13% of 19-29-year-olds and 17% of 30-39-year-olds unable to look after themselves once discharged from hospital Following hospitalization, 27% (13,309 of 50,105) of patients were less able to look after themselves than before COVID-19, and this was more common with older age, being male, and in people who received critical care. The association between having a complication and worse ability for self-care remained irrespective of age, sex, socioeconomic status, and which hospital someone received treatment in. Neurological complications were associated with the biggest impact on ability for self-care. And Texas is getting almost as scary as Florida. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2021/07/29/texas-covid-19-hospitals/amp/Overall on Thursday, Texas hospitals reported 5,662 patients hospitalized with COVID. A week earlier, COVID hospitalizations were 3,566. On July 1, it was 1,591. Upwards of 95% of those who are being hospitalized are unvaccinated, officials in Bexar, Travis and other counties say.
“Nearly every COVID patient admission is completely preventable,” said Dr. Bryan Alsip, executive vice president and chief medical officer at University Health System in San Antonio. “Staff witness this every day and it’s very, very frustrating.” What? Again - the 1 in 38,911 appears to be the absolute Qrisk of all the children in England. I don't even know what the 7 out of 311 number you are referencing is but you're clearly using 2 completely different denominators and then trying to do a side by side comparison to say one is worse than the other. Do I really have to explain whats wrong with this? 7 out of 311 is the current amount of kids in icu compared to adults. Nettles was using total and then saying it was the same. And his one quote saying it was. I was saying it was different because the current numbers in multiple states were dramatically different and I sourced them. No BJ you don't, but since you continue to be an ass I think now is the perfect time to bring up your declaration of covid being over, your constant compliments of Florida and Texas's handling, your premature by months declaration of deaths declining and your very very premature and aging extremely poorly "I told you so" post. You would hope at some point you would learn to trust doctors and data. This one is my favorite, but there is so many BlackJack was extremely wrong posts it hard to fathom how you keep showing up with your down home wisdom that you act as if it is a fact when it is just your continued to be proven wrong assumptions. On May 18 2021 09:55 BlackJack wrote:The fact that you only now care about 40 preventable deaths a day even though it happens every single year says nothing about your "stomach" and everything about how you can be manipulated. I can't make my point any clearer than that, but it's really a minor detail. My main point was to come back to gloat about how my "theory" was right and the health experts were wrong to "sound warnings" for Texas's reopening You have to see it now don't you? Yeah my prediction was so off about Texas' reopening. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vWoXg2t.png) When I posted that on May 18 Texas' 7 day rolling average of COVID deaths was 41. As of today the 7 day rolling average of deaths is 34. Clearly a quagmire. Even if my prediction is wrong I still wouldn't be that embarrassed. At least not as embarrassed as I would be if I couldn't objectively look at the data Nettles posted to realize he made a blatant arithmetic error and instead just used it as more evidence to support my beliefs that delta is much more deadly for children and Alabama is hiding their COVID numbers, etc. And also Show nested quote +On May 18 2021 09:55 BlackJack wrote:The fact that you only now care about 40 preventable deaths a day even though it happens every single year says nothing about your "stomach" and everything about how you can be manipulated. I can't make my point any clearer than that, but it's really a minor detail. My main point was to come back to gloat about how my "theory" was right and the health experts were wrong to "sound warnings" for Texas's reopening Now that the deaths have followed the hospitalizations, just as they did each wave. And that Texas is on pace to join the other states that are currently breaking daily death records with younger people. Are you at a point where you realize that infact health experts were right, 10-15% immunization would not cause covid to be like the flu, herd immunity was not reached, and covid is not over? Or? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2YgImYH.png)
So you're saying I was wrong about Texas being okay to reopen because 6 months later, after a more infectious variant came out, they are having another wave that isn't even yet as bad as their worst wave? Nothing says Texas reopened "too soon" like an increase in hospitalizations/death 6 months later /sarcasm. I suspect you would be happy if the world remained locked down forever just from alpha-covid so "too soon" for you is an eternity, but I'm sure the people of Texas enjoyed the last 6 months of being 100% open with relatively few deaths.
I'll concede that I didn't predict the Delta variant 6 months ago when I said COVID would be over by now. But if you really want to being up whose predictions were right/wrong I could just bring up that on January 20 you said things were going to get worse in the US over the winter while I predicted they were going to get better. The graph shows you literally could not have been more wrong:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ibkyXfH.jpg)
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New report from the Joint committee on vaccination and immunisation in the UK recommends waiting ‘several months’ until more information is known about potential side effects for kids 12-15.Benefits of covid vaccination on this age group marginal and may not outweigh potential side effects.
Time for the UK government to trust the experts and delay any rollout for younger age groups.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021
The available evidence indicates that the individual health benefits from COVID-19 vaccination are small in those aged 12 to 15 years who do not have underlying health conditions which put them at risk of severe COVID-19. The potential risks from vaccination are also small, with reports of post-vaccination myocarditis being very rare, but potentially serious and still in the process of being described. Given the rarity of these events and the limited follow-up time of children and young people with post-vaccination myocarditis, substantial uncertainty remains regarding the health risks associated with these adverse events.
Overall, the committee is of the opinion that the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms (tables 1 to 4) but acknowledges that there is considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms. The margin of benefit, based primarily on a health perspective, is considered too small to support advice on a universal programme of vaccination of otherwise healthy 12 to 15-year-old children at this time. As longer-term data on potential adverse reactions accrue, greater certainty may allow for a reconsideration of the benefits and harms. Such data may not be available for several months.
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On September 07 2021 09:36 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2021 08:11 BlackJack wrote:On September 06 2021 00:27 JimmiC wrote:On July 31 2021 18:24 BlackJack wrote:On July 30 2021 21:51 JimmiC wrote:On July 30 2021 19:03 BlackJack wrote:On July 30 2021 09:14 JimmiC wrote:On July 30 2021 07:57 BlackJack wrote:On July 28 2021 17:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:7 child patients admitted to ICU with 2,650 cases statewide.Is this because of the obesity rate in Alabama? For context UK data from actual studies showed that the risk to children under 18 of being admitted to ICU was 1 in 38,911 with a death rate of around 2 per million. https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2021/july/ncmd-covidrisks.htmlOne preprint study*, published on the medRxiv server, found that 251 young people aged under 18 in England were admitted to intensive care with Covid-19 during the first year of the pandemic (until the end of February 2021).
Looking separately at PIMS-TS*, a rare inflammatory syndrome in children caused by Covid-19, the researchers found that 309 young people were admitted to intensive care with this condition – equating to an absolute risk of one in 38,911.
A linked preprint study**, also published on the medRxiv server and looking at data for England, concluded that 25 children and young people had died as a result of Covid-19, equating to an absolute risk of death from Covid-19 of one in 481,000, or approximately two in a million.
Additionally Dr Whittaker of Imperial College London states that Delta variant has had no real impact on these figures Dr Elizabeth Whittaker (Imperial College London) said: “It is reassuring that these findings reflect our clinical experience in hospital – we see very few seriously unwell children. Although this data covers up to February 2021, this hasn’t changed recently with the Delta variant. We hope this data will be reassuring for children and young people and their families.” I'd suggest those numbers of 7 out of 2,650 child cases being in ICU either they are drastically undercounting the number of COVID cases in kids in Alabama or that kids in Alabama are more obese and unhealthy than UK kids.Likely a combination. Do you care to reiterate the point you are trying to make because it really sounds like you are comparing apples to oranges. How exactly are you concluding that 7 ICU cases in Alabama represents a much higher incidence than 309 ICU cases in England? Seems like the denominator you are using for Alabama is "active covid cases" and the denominator you are using for England is "the entire pediatric population of the entire country." There are 1MM+ children in Alabama so 7 ICU cases represents about 1 in 150,000. Because 7 out of 311 is a lot more than 1 in 38911 And it's not only in Bama at least Florida, gerogia, Missouri are also breaking child records. On top of that half of people who get hospitalized get long term consequences, serious ones. https://scitechdaily.com/half-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-develop-a-complication/amp/The authors say that complications in patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are high, even in young, previously healthy individuals — with 27% of 19-29-year-olds and 37% of 30-39-year-olds experiencing a complication. They also note that acute complications are associated with reduced ability to self-care at discharge — with 13% of 19-29-year-olds and 17% of 30-39-year-olds unable to look after themselves once discharged from hospital Following hospitalization, 27% (13,309 of 50,105) of patients were less able to look after themselves than before COVID-19, and this was more common with older age, being male, and in people who received critical care. The association between having a complication and worse ability for self-care remained irrespective of age, sex, socioeconomic status, and which hospital someone received treatment in. Neurological complications were associated with the biggest impact on ability for self-care. And Texas is getting almost as scary as Florida. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2021/07/29/texas-covid-19-hospitals/amp/Overall on Thursday, Texas hospitals reported 5,662 patients hospitalized with COVID. A week earlier, COVID hospitalizations were 3,566. On July 1, it was 1,591. Upwards of 95% of those who are being hospitalized are unvaccinated, officials in Bexar, Travis and other counties say.
“Nearly every COVID patient admission is completely preventable,” said Dr. Bryan Alsip, executive vice president and chief medical officer at University Health System in San Antonio. “Staff witness this every day and it’s very, very frustrating.” What? Again - the 1 in 38,911 appears to be the absolute Qrisk of all the children in England. I don't even know what the 7 out of 311 number you are referencing is but you're clearly using 2 completely different denominators and then trying to do a side by side comparison to say one is worse than the other. Do I really have to explain whats wrong with this? 7 out of 311 is the current amount of kids in icu compared to adults. Nettles was using total and then saying it was the same. And his one quote saying it was. I was saying it was different because the current numbers in multiple states were dramatically different and I sourced them. No BJ you don't, but since you continue to be an ass I think now is the perfect time to bring up your declaration of covid being over, your constant compliments of Florida and Texas's handling, your premature by months declaration of deaths declining and your very very premature and aging extremely poorly "I told you so" post. You would hope at some point you would learn to trust doctors and data. This one is my favorite, but there is so many BlackJack was extremely wrong posts it hard to fathom how you keep showing up with your down home wisdom that you act as if it is a fact when it is just your continued to be proven wrong assumptions. On May 18 2021 09:55 BlackJack wrote:The fact that you only now care about 40 preventable deaths a day even though it happens every single year says nothing about your "stomach" and everything about how you can be manipulated. I can't make my point any clearer than that, but it's really a minor detail. My main point was to come back to gloat about how my "theory" was right and the health experts were wrong to "sound warnings" for Texas's reopening You have to see it now don't you? Yeah my prediction was so off about Texas' reopening. When I posted that on May 18 Texas' 7 day rolling average of COVID deaths was 41. As of today the 7 day rolling average of deaths is 34. Clearly a quagmire. Even if my prediction is wrong I still wouldn't be that embarrassed. At least not as embarrassed as I would be if I couldn't objectively look at the data Nettles posted to realize he made a blatant arithmetic error and instead just used it as more evidence to support my beliefs that delta is much more deadly for children and Alabama is hiding their COVID numbers, etc. And also On May 18 2021 09:55 BlackJack wrote:The fact that you only now care about 40 preventable deaths a day even though it happens every single year says nothing about your "stomach" and everything about how you can be manipulated. I can't make my point any clearer than that, but it's really a minor detail. My main point was to come back to gloat about how my "theory" was right and the health experts were wrong to "sound warnings" for Texas's reopening Now that the deaths have followed the hospitalizations, just as they did each wave. And that Texas is on pace to join the other states that are currently breaking daily death records with younger people. Are you at a point where you realize that infact health experts were right, 10-15% immunization would not cause covid to be like the flu, herd immunity was not reached, and covid is not over? Or? So you're saying I was wrong about Texas being okay to reopen because 6 months later, after a more infectious variant came out, they are having another wave that isn't even yet as bad as their worst wave? Nothing says Texas reopened "too soon" like an increase in hospitalizations/death 6 months later /sarcasm. I suspect you would be happy if the world remained locked down forever just from alpha-covid so "too soon" for you is an eternity, but I'm sure the people of Texas enjoyed the last 6 months of being 100% open with relatively few deaths. I'll concede that I didn't predict the Delta variant 6 months ago when I said COVID would be over by now. But if you really want to being up whose predictions were right/wrong I could just bring up that on January 20 you said things were going to get worse in the US over the winter while I predicted they were going to get better. The graph shows you literally could not have been more wrong: NICE GOALPOST MOVE! No one suggested putting Texas on lockdown, LOL, there is a massive difference between locking down for 6 months and being sensible. Delta was around then, we were telling you about it, you knew better. You said Covid was over because 10-15% vaccination and natural immunity had created herd immunity. Things that are over don't come back with vengeance a few months later. As for not as bad, Breaking records for hospitalizations have for weeks, ages getting way younger, I know charts are hard for you but when their pointing straight up they tend to continue in that direction. Each time its the same thing, "Oh its just cases no hospitalizations" "See its Just hospitalization and dealths are low". They each follow each other predicably but each time (we are on the 4th now) you never see it coming and think the rest of us are fear mongering when we suggest it. Reminds me of the time you argued for pages that since daily cases had dropped I was a idiot for suggesting deaths would continue to rise then drop off, which you know of course happened. As for Jan 20, I'm sorry your quote function broke. I'm guessing this is where you accuse me of saying that (without quotes again because you know that makes making shit up harder) when I said it would get worse without measures. And at that point even Texas and Florida (and even more at the municipal level in the major cities) had measures, Many didn't take them off fully until March. Or where I said trending towards more deaths then the previous year, which sadly looks to be the case. The funny shit is you point us too a page where you are again arguing about natural herd immunity. I'm sure you pull this shit a bunch in real life and people don't call you on it, where you just change what you said and with force say you never said that and the other people were wrong. But here in message board world we can just go back and check. At some point it might help you to make a choice to find it to be more important to be correct than right. TLDR: You came back to gloat about something you were very wrong on, Covid sadly is not over, natural herd immunity was not even close to being reached. Not shockingly chalk another one up to the experts.
On January 20 2021 13:08 JimmiC wrote:
It is getting so bad in the US, I'm surprised it is not talked about any more. It is now the number 1 killer in the US, more than heart disease and cancer. They are talking about 10% of people who caught it having long covid and who knows that impact. That is like 3-4 million Americans.
And it us likely to get worse over the winter, 100k deaths in just 5 weeks when it took almost all of 2020 to get to 300k.
There's the full quote you posted on January 20th with your prediction that it would likely get worse over the winter. Why didn't you have enough sense to take into account the measures that were already in place when you made that post? I clearly had enough sense to take into account the measures that were in place when I predicted things would get better. You were wildly wrong about your prediction that things were going to get worse. No big deal. I admitted I wasn't able to predict the Delta variant, not sure why you can't be big enough to admit when you were wrong.
Also you can post the quote of where I said you were an idiot for saying deaths would continue to rise after cases had dropped because I don't really remember that.
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Now you're just a liar saying I didn't post the full quote. What I quoted was your entire post. The other shit is stuff u posted days later with some desperate backtracking after you started to realize you were wrong and I was right - things were not going to get worse over the winter. The timestamps are plain as day - January 22, 23. Your wrong prediction was January 20.
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On January 21 2021 06:31 BlackJack wrote:
It is possible for COVID cases to subside without it burning through the entire population. If it weren't possible we wouldn't be getting these "waves" of cases.
On January 21 2021 07:00 BlackJack wrote:
Who is ignoring [the measures]? Some of the harshest measures of the whole pandemic are in place right now in California. Indoor dining, outdoor dining, gyms, theaters, arcades, salons, etc. have all been shut down for weeks.
With timestamps. All I did was look at the complete picture to determine that the COVID wave in January had peaked and was going to decline. Not sure why you seemed incapable of doing the same.
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This will probably be my last post on the topic. It's exactly the same as the conversation we had months ago
JimmiC: COVID will likely get a lot worse over the winter
BlackJack: I think it has peaked and things will get better
*COVID numbers all start to trend down*
JimmiC: Yeah it's down because of the measures so I am still right!
To this day I still have no freaking idea why you think this line of reasoning makes sense.
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So you're really going to double-down that COVID got worse in the USA after January 20th despite the fact that the graphs of New Daily Cases and Deaths/day nosedived on that day and continued into the Spring? Didn't you recently accuse me of not being able to read a graph?
Also please give your source that deaths in the 5 weeks preceding January 20th were fewer than the 5 weeks after January 20th
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