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Australia4427 Posts
Residents in some locked down Sydney housing blocks are having their deliveries searched by police and are allowed a daily delivery ration of either 6 beers, one bottle of wine or one bottle of spirits 375ml or less.Any more than that is confiscated.Which is harsh considering many spirits are hard to find in bottles under 700ml.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/nsw-health-limits-residents-of-lockeddown-tower-block-to-six-beers-per-day/news-story/0e387ceccee145a611ddb6e38872d3d5
NSW Health limits residents of locked-down tower block to six beers per day
Residents in a Sydney tower block under a strict coronavirus lockdown are having their alcohol deliveries policed.
Residents are allowed to receive a ration of one of the following: six beers or pre-mixed drinks, one bottle of wine, or one 375ml bottle of spirits.
Excess alcohol is being confiscated until lockdown rules are lifted.
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On September 09 2021 09:01 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Residents in some locked down Sydney housing blocks are having their deliveries searched by police and are allowed a daily delivery ration of either 6 beers, one bottle of wine or one bottle of spirits 375ml or less.Any more than that is confiscated.Which is harsh considering many spirits are hard to find in bottles under 700ml. https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/nsw-health-limits-residents-of-lockeddown-tower-block-to-six-beers-per-day/news-story/0e387ceccee145a611ddb6e38872d3d5Show nested quote +
NSW Health limits residents of locked-down tower block to six beers per day
Residents in a Sydney tower block under a strict coronavirus lockdown are having their alcohol deliveries policed.
Residents are allowed to receive a ration of one of the following: six beers or pre-mixed drinks, one bottle of wine, or one 375ml bottle of spirits.
Excess alcohol is being confiscated until lockdown rules are lifted.
That's terrible, you can't even get drunk by yourself if you haven't saved up your alcohol rations?
I also don't see how this is stopping small groups from having a party together, just BYOB from now on. You should start a daily 6pack subscription delivery service, there should be a decent market for it.
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Australia4427 Posts
I guess when you’ve been in lockdown for 3 months in a tiny inner city apartment drinking is what many are using to ease the pain.There will be a flood of people leaving apartments and moving into larger rural and suburban properties when this lockdown finally ends.
Police searching incoming deliveries and confiscating goods is something you may see in a prison (Or in China under the social credit score system) but we’re seeing it creep into our society here now.Pretty concerning.But at least they’re handing back all the confiscated alcohol at end of lockdown so residents can get blind drunk then.Bonza!
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On September 08 2021 23:51 Velr wrote:
Is it?
I can stay at home and go out all night if i want to from home office.
Remote work for sure has grown a lot since Covid but it's not "new".
Not exactly, yes.
But imagine two scenarios: (I will use Germany as a drop off point)
1. You live in Munich. And your work is in Munich. So you go there to the office and work. You used homeoffice a few rare times to get deliveries and stuff, but it wasn't normal. Now Covid hits. You are in homeoffice. ... and realize: This is better then expected! You can basically do everything there what you need to do for your work. So you ask your boss, if it is fine to do this all the time, even if things are better. And they are ok with it. So, next step: While Munich is a nice town, it is also hell of expensive! So, if you can work all remote, you relocate to Saxony! Cheaper rent and living and you still get the same amount of money from your work! Nice!
2. You live in Munich. And your work is in Munich. So you go there to the office and work. You used homeoffice a few rare times to get deliveries and stuff, but it wasn't normal. Now Covid hits. You are in homeoffice and it works out well! You can basically do everything there what you need to do for your work. You think: "I can use that..." so, over the weekend you drive to Austria, check in a nice hotel. After a nice breakfast there, you do your work sitting on the terrace and in the late afternoon you check out the town/area and have a nice evening. And after a week you drive back home. Your boss didn't even really know you were not in Munich!
For me, those two are very different things. And if you tell me people did the second already all the time, I will be very surprised (but maybe because I'm in a very non-home-office area of work, I just didn't get the memo). I just got to know such things "now"!
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In regards to this news from Australia, I'll be honest, I myself started developing a drinking habit early 2021 that went for a few months before I gave up on it when I realized how bad it was. In the many years prior I rarely drank at all. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for other people, many having a much more outgoing personality, or younger people who are starved of various life experiences.
I'm aware of how bad the covid-19 situation is in Sydney, but I find digging through people's property in their regular lives unacceptable. It makes me wonder why they're not instead allocating more police resources to fighting the outbreak by various means like an improved communication network. What they're doing sounds neither ethical nor solution-oriented to me.
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I can generally understand Australia's policies and its something that can work for their geographical situation, tho looking at their current spike I feel like containment has failed.
But searching peoples deliveries to limit their access to alcohol is absolutely not ok.
What is even the legal justification for it? Simply "its an emergency so 'fu'"?
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On September 09 2021 15:23 Magic Powers wrote:
In regards to this news from Australia, I'll be honest, I myself started developing a drinking habit early 2021 that went for a few months before I gave up on it when I realized how bad it was. In the many years prior I rarely drank at all. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for other people, many having a much more outgoing personality, or younger people who are starved of various life experiences.
I'm aware of how bad the covid-19 situation is in Sydney, but I find digging through people's property in their regular lives unacceptable. It makes me wonder why they're not instead allocating more police resources to fighting the outbreak by various means like an improved communication network. What they're doing sounds neither ethical nor solution-oriented to me.
Agreed. It is also one of the very rare instances where I agree with Nettles that this is unacceptable. Alcoholism is a real problem. Being a nanny state isn't a solution.
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On September 09 2021 16:21 Gorsameth wrote:
I can generally understand Australia's policies and its something that can work for their geographical situation, tho looking at their current spike I feel like containment has failed.
But searching peoples deliveries to limit their access to alcohol is absolutely not ok.
What is even the legal justification for it? Simply "its an emergency so 'fu'"?
Yeah, agreed here. That is utter bullshit. Sure, it would be better if people drank less. But the people in those blocks are under quarantine due to a pandemic. They are still free people in all other regards, not prisoners. Treating them like prisoners is not acceptable.
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On September 09 2021 09:01 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Residents in some locked down Sydney housing blocks are having their deliveries searched by police and are allowed a daily delivery ration of either 6 beers, one bottle of wine or one bottle of spirits 375ml or less.Any more than that is confiscated.Which is harsh considering many spirits are hard to find in bottles under 700ml. https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/nsw-health-limits-residents-of-lockeddown-tower-block-to-six-beers-per-day/news-story/0e387ceccee145a611ddb6e38872d3d5Show nested quote +
NSW Health limits residents of locked-down tower block to six beers per day
Residents in a Sydney tower block under a strict coronavirus lockdown are having their alcohol deliveries policed.
Residents are allowed to receive a ration of one of the following: six beers or pre-mixed drinks, one bottle of wine, or one 375ml bottle of spirits.
Excess alcohol is being confiscated until lockdown rules are lifted.
This is a weird regulation imo and I don't think it'll really crack down on spreading coronavirus (which, presumably, is the justification for enacting this). I don't see how this will make throwing parties any more difficult, since everyone can just bring their own alcohol and/or you could just stock up for a few days. Unless you're an alcoholic that already drinks six beers every day, this limitation isn't really going to do much (to say nothing of whether or not this kind of confiscation is acceptable in the broader sense).
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To be clear, that's not a general rule across the whole city. It's specific to certain blocks of units, some of which are actually being used to quarantine positive cases. I don't know all the local details but it's not a blanket prohibition.
That said, Australia does have very problematic nanny-state tendencies and the power creep from covid is a real concern. I don't doubt that this is an example. Extreme measures to combat the virus are justified. Extreme measures are not justified to combat alcohol or biking without a helmet or whatever other random misdemeanours our politicians have decided they don't like.
Also yes, containment has absolutely failed. We have abandoned covid zero for the bulk of our population, well before achieving the vaccination rate needed to do so. Delta was too much once NSW let it out of the bottle. The only upside is that all the vaccine procrastinators now have some motivation to get it done.
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Northern Ireland27200 Posts
On September 09 2021 15:23 Magic Powers wrote:
In regards to this news from Australia, I'll be honest, I myself started developing a drinking habit early 2021 that went for a few months before I gave up on it when I realized how bad it was. In the many years prior I rarely drank at all. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for other people, many having a much more outgoing personality, or younger people who are starved of various life experiences.
I'm aware of how bad the covid-19 situation is in Sydney, but I find digging through people's property in their regular lives unacceptable. It makes me wonder why they're not instead allocating more police resources to fighting the outbreak by various means like an improved communication network. What they're doing sounds neither ethical nor solution-oriented to me.
It sounds absolutely appalling to me.
Peak lockdown over here all I was doing was working out of the house as ye olde essential worker and coming home with no social outlets whatsoever.
As someone with a mental health condition I also couldn’t access services in this period, my drinking habits weren’t ideal to say the least.
Seems a pretty cruel one-two punch to both enforce conditions that are detrimental to mental health and then limit people’s coping mechanisms.
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At the same time you also can't allow the people to drink themselves to death or allow a situation where a plague victim has to be taken out of their pod and allowed to infect everyone on their way to the hospital to get their stomach pumped.
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On September 10 2021 05:11 Sermokala wrote:
At the same time you also can't allow the people to drink themselves to death or allow a situation where a plague victim has to be taken out of their pod and allowed to infect everyone on their way to the hospital to get their stomach pumped. Were they doing that tho?
Were they drinking themselves to death?
Were they throwing big booze parties?
Was there a series of drunk residents assaulting staff?
Was there any legit reason for this other then a depressed bureaucrat in an office building 100 miles away that doesn't like alcohol going on a power trip to limit alcohol to others?
And what legal authority do they have to do this? From what I understand there is no law in Australia that limits the amount of alcohol you are allowed to possess.
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On September 10 2021 05:11 Sermokala wrote:
At the same time you also can't allow the people to drink themselves to death or allow a situation where a plague victim has to be taken out of their pod and allowed to infect everyone on their way to the hospital to get their stomach pumped.
Why not?
We have allowed people to drink themselves to death for ages. Yes, it kind of sucks. But the only difference here appears to be that right now, the state can treat these people like prisoners.
A part of freedom is the freedom to destroy yourself.
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On September 10 2021 07:27 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2021 05:11 Sermokala wrote:
At the same time you also can't allow the people to drink themselves to death or allow a situation where a plague victim has to be taken out of their pod and allowed to infect everyone on their way to the hospital to get their stomach pumped. Why not? We have allowed people to drink themselves to death for ages. Yes, it kind of sucks. But the only difference here appears to be that right now, the state can treat these people like prisoners. A part of freedom is the freedom to destroy yourself.
Absolute freedom doesn't really exist anywhere in the world and I don't think anyone here would advocate for absolute freedom. There will always be exceptions since we decide to not be animals. Some people have argued suicide is unethical. I wouldn't say the freedom to suicide is a divine right guaranteed by some kind of super-human entity.
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That's what my school district is doing. It's a step in the right direction, although I wish they would actually require vaccinations without the non-vaccinated testing alternative.
I'm also eager for middle schools and high schools to add covid vaccines to the current list of mandatory public school vaccinations for students.
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My employer mandated vaccines a few weeks back. Wasn't too controversial - somewhere around 90% of employees had been vaccinated beforehand already - but I now somehow wonder if they knew this was going to be coming.
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On September 10 2021 11:52 LegalLord wrote:
My employer mandated vaccines a few weeks back. Wasn't too controversial - somewhere around 90% of employees had been vaccinated beforehand already - but I now somehow wonder if they knew this was going to be coming.
I think its that, looking at the data, either Biden mandates vaccines or we live this nightmare probably forever. People doing war game scenarios could probably conclude this was incredibly likely. But the supreme court ruled in favor of vax mandates in the past anyway, so maybe it was just that, once they had FDA approval.
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