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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18423 Posts
No one gives a shit about children | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18423 Posts
And yes I know the ventilation lobby is not as strong as the mask/vaccination lobby. I just wish some people would actually care about children for once | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 22 2021 06:25 sharkie wrote: Good ventilation in schools would not only help against corona but also other illnesses... And yes I know the ventilation lobby is not as strong as the mask/vaccination lobby. I just wish some people would actually care about children for once lol mask lobby get a grip man. (to be immensely charitable, we've had corrupt politicians in a couple of countries enriching themselves or their pals, but that is far from a lobby in the sense of tobacco, alcohol, oil.) we know you're afraid of masks, that's fine. but please don't let them dictate your every thought. and also stop using children as a pretense for your tirade against masks. conflating the push for vaccinations with a make belive face mask lobby robs your post of every ounce of credibility and renders you into an anti mask zealot. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18423 Posts
I just want people to talk about really important stuff and children are the most important Also austria and germany bought/produced shitton of ffp2 and thats why our two countries had to wear them. Thats a lobby for me. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21725 Posts
On July 22 2021 06:49 sharkie wrote: So you think you had to wear a mask because your country bought/made a bunch. And not that they bought/made a bunch because wearing them helps with the ongoing pandemic?Why should i be afraid of masks? Lol I just want people to talk about really important stuff and children are the most important Also austria and germany bought/produced shitton of ffp2 and thats why our two countries had to wear them. Thats a lobby for me. Since Children are so important I can go back through your posting history of 9 years and find you caring about children a lot or is that a more recent concern? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18423 Posts
On July 22 2021 06:56 Gorsameth wrote: So you think you had to wear a mask because your country bought/made a bunch. And not that they bought/made a bunch because wearing them helps with the ongoing pandemic? Since Children are so important I can go back through your posting history of 9 years and find you caring about children a lot or is that a more recent concern? No i had to wear a ffp2 mask because my country screwed up. Why are these the only 2 countries who had to wear ffp2 crap? It didnt help shit for our numbers or deaths. Normal cloth mask is more than enough for the general public Yep you can! Always cared about children  | ||
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sharkie
Austria18423 Posts
And its not shady media reporting it. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
most of them come from china. especially during the times where they were worth their weight in gold. and it's not like these normal masks dont need to be produced either. man you always finde something to shift the goalpost. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18423 Posts
On July 22 2021 07:13 Artisreal wrote: suddenly it's only the ffp2 masks that are questionable. most of them come from china. especially during the times where they were worth their weight in gold. and it's not like these normal masks dont need to be produced either. man you always finde something to shift the goalpost. Look at my posts in this thread. It has always been ffp2 masks Germany wasted billions on them. Dont you read your national newspapers?! Ever heard of Spahn? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18423 Posts
On July 22 2021 07:13 Artisreal wrote: suddenly it's only the ffp2 masks that are questionable. most of them come from china. especially during the times where they were worth their weight in gold. and it's not like these normal masks dont need to be produced either. man you always finde something to shift the goalpost. On June 29 2021 16:37 sharkie wrote: Forced use of FFP2 masks by the general public was one of the most stupid things done because literally I dont know a single person who used them as they should have(max. 4-6? hours, change after use, change after getting wet, etc...) Also I dont blame anyone who hasnt followed that because that would have been creating tons of waste which is prolly worse than covid could ever be On July 01 2021 00:09 sharkie wrote: I liked the cloth masks. I could wash them, have nice motifs. Ffp2 are just horrible for normal people Always been ffp2 and not against cloth masks. I expect an apology but i guess i wont get one | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4224 Posts
"Face masks effectively limit the probability of SARS-CoV-2 transmission" The following abstracts are in regards to common mask-wearing by the general population. The bold parts are the most relevant findings for those short on time. "We show that variations in mask efficacy can be explained by different regimes of virus abundance and are related to population-average infection probability and reproduction number. For SARS-CoV-2, the viral load of infectious individuals can vary by orders of magnitude. We find that most environments and contacts are under conditions of low virus abundance (virus-limited), where surgical masks are effective at preventing virus spread." "In this work, we develop a quantitative model of airborne virus exposure that can explain these contrasting results and provide a basis for quantifying the efficacy of face masks. We show that mask efficacy strongly depends on airborne virus abundance. On the basis of direct measurements of SARS-CoV-2 in air samples and population-level infection probabilities, we find that the virus abundance in most environments is sufficiently low for masks to be effective in reducing airborne transmission." The following infographic shows how it works in the abstract. A key factor in why masks work or don't work is the "virus-richness" of the environment. To put it simply there's a threshold of present virus particles up until which various common masks are effective, and anything beyond overwhelms the protection (note that it takes only a small load of virions to infect a host). This is why masking up (below FFP3) becomes most effective with social distancing. So please understand that a critical component to ending the pandemic is to reduce face-to-face interactions to a necessary minimum, even when other measures are taken (like masks, vaccines, other hygiene, etc.) In my understanding, limiting the duration of each interaction is also important (to minimize the cumulative chance of infection from an infected individual). ![[image loading]](https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/372/6549/1439/F1.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1) Furthermore, the switch to FFP2 masks is most likely a good choice, as they provide a lot stronger protection than other commonly sold masks (although those are also effective, so in case you don't have an FFP2 mask, please put on an alternative). https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6549/1439 | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 22 2021 08:08 Magic Powers wrote: Findings from 2021, June 25th on the efficacy of face masks under various conditions. "Face masks effectively limit the probability of SARS-CoV-2 transmission" The following abstracts are in regards to common mask-wearing by the general population. The bold parts are the most relevant findings for those short on time. "We show that variations in mask efficacy can be explained by different regimes of virus abundance and are related to population-average infection probability and reproduction number. For SARS-CoV-2, the viral load of infectious individuals can vary by orders of magnitude. We find that most environments and contacts are under conditions of low virus abundance (virus-limited), where surgical masks are effective at preventing virus spread." "In this work, we develop a quantitative model of airborne virus exposure that can explain these contrasting results and provide a basis for quantifying the efficacy of face masks. We show that mask efficacy strongly depends on airborne virus abundance. On the basis of direct measurements of SARS-CoV-2 in air samples and population-level infection probabilities, we find that the virus abundance in most environments is sufficiently low for masks to be effective in reducing airborne transmission." The following infographic shows how it works in the abstract. A key factor in why masks work or don't work is the "virus-richness" of the environment. To put it simply there's a threshold of present virus particles up until which various common masks are effective, and anything beyond overwhelms the protection (note that it takes only a small load of virions to infect a host). This is why masking up (below FFP3) becomes most effective with social distancing. So please understand that a critical component to ending the pandemic is to reduce face-to-face interactions to a necessary minimum, even when other measures are taken (like masks, vaccines, other hygiene, etc.) In my understanding, limiting the duration of each interaction is also important (to minimize the cumulative chance of infection from an infected individual). Furthermore, the switch to FFP2 masks is most likely a good choice, as they provide a lot stronger protection than other commonly sold masks (although those are also effective, so in case you don't have an FFP2 mask, please put on an alternative). https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6549/1439 Good to have you back sharing valuable info and insights. You seem to have been MIA in this thread for awhile, and I was worried you may have been driven away by the occasional levels of tension and toxicity rising in the thread. Especially when your hard-science approach seems to invite criticism from all sides of the divide. Not an easy task, dealing with truth-bombs! Keep up the good work! Really learned a lot from your sharing. P.S. And I'm not saying this because your posts aligns with my beliefs. In fact, sometimes your info or views are at odds with some of my own understanding of the virus, pandemic, and optimal public health strategy. But it's your courage to bare out facts and opinions in a rational and neutral way (without bringing in politics) that is really admirable. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
the issue is - how much do you give up vs how much do you gain and some, won't give up on anything for any kind of extra safety. Edit: are you people giving up things/on things, to maximize everyone elses' safety?, you don't; for sure you don't. somewhere/somehow, you draw a line based on a subjective assessment of worth. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4335 Posts
On July 22 2021 06:25 sharkie wrote: Good ventilation in schools would not only help against corona but also other illnesses... And yes I know the ventilation lobby is not as strong as the mask/vaccination lobby. I just wish some people would actually care about children for once If you look at the average cost to produce a vial of insulin and the price that they sell it for in the United States, to sick and vulnerable people who actually need it to live, then you can see the pharma industry is about profits over health. The vaccine situation, it's clear what will happen, it's already starting to happen in France and the UK.You will need vaccine passports to be able to go to most shops, public events, government buildings, perhaps even workplace offices etc.There will be regular boosters for the new variants that inevitably pop up and also because the vaccine loses efficiency over time against COVID. You can see the situation where the government can cancel your access to your workplace,shops,public places etc unless you sign up for this plan of regular boosters.Possibly they could even cancel this 'Freedom Pass' for other reasons too.Like i say, i regret not investing in Pfizer shares last year as this will be a huge regular income stream for them and other makers. BTW USA may be able to avoid what i have described with the domestic vaccine passport due to their politics but i expect them to be in Australia, NZ, Canada and most of Europe by early next year. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
With longer intervals in UK and Canada, we'll have enough data by December to see if a 3rd dose of the same, or a variant booster is needed. AZ will likely need an mrna booster, but so far, mrna is looking broadly protective. Public Health England COVID-19 symptomatic effectiveness study finds two doses of BNT162b2 (Pfizer) at 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) vs Alpha and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) vs Delta; ChAdOx1 (Astrazeneca) at 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) vs Alpha and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) vs Delta https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 | ||
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