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xM(Z
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JimmiC
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4379 Posts
On June 12 2021 15:40 xM(Z wrote: the more JimmiCs there are out there, the more anti-vaxxers there are; 'cause somehow someway, things need to balance themselves out in the end. I find his posts hard to read and not just due to the content.The post bamboo quoted from him last page had about ten statements in quotations with no commas, full stops or the quotes broken into seperate lines.Too annoying to read. Here, a woman died from AZ blood clots 2-3 days ago and it was front page news.Media is constantly talking about the AZ clots, which is leading to people becoming antivaxx. I think some will get Pfizer when it’s available to them later on but quite a few people have been turned off getting the vaccines altogether, mostly due to the media wanting to sell papers. | ||
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JimmiC
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NrG.Bamboo
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On June 12 2021 16:30 JimmiC wrote: I only know 2 open anti vaxxers and both are the new kind, like they had no problem with getting their kids the standard ones. They post these messages on their feed. Now I'm not sure if they believe them all or if it is just antivaxx article so they post them. Lots about how not dangerous covid is, but about how dangerous the vaccines are, without seeming to notice that the vaccine numbers that scare them are magnitudes smaller than the covid numbers which don't. Right now there is a arrest fauci theme that seems pretty recent. I could know a lot more that are like you are saying but since they don't post about it I would be unaware. That’s fair. I just meant people that know out in the wild, as I don’t use social media. It would indeed be strange to hear all of those sentiments from a person in conversation. That being said, some of the reasons for not trusting the vaccines that I read online can get pretty intricate or, dare I say, conspiratorial. | ||
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JimmiC
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On June 13 2021 02:33 JimmiC wrote: Exactly, I mean it is like most things where it is not black and white but rather a spectrum where people have a wide variety of views within the category of "vaccine hesitancy", you have the people who are unsure and want to give it some time vs the people who think bill gates is working with China and the lizard people while hiding micro chips in them and everywhere in between. What I have been kind of surprised about is I didn't think US conservatives were going to be anit-vaxx. It was not a position held before. Throughout the earlier stages of the pandemic the big voice has been about how things need to be opened up for the economy. Vaccine is the answer, it is businesses in the US offering big incentives to employees and so on. I mean Trump got it and spent a lot of time talking about "operation warp speed" which was getting the USA vaccinated ASAP, his daughter and maybe others had theirs live streamed. I'm not sure why it became so politized or why that group picked that position. I think there will be a lot of very interesting papers coming out in the next few decades about how all these various groups got such strong opinions and so ingrained that were very different from pre pandemic beliefs. It is rather unfortunate that this entire thing has becomes politicized, since it really doesn't have anything to do with party standards at all, but there is no denying that there is a big "us and them" dynamic between those who view this crisis in different ways. This could be one reason why conservatives seem to be more resistant to the mainstream public health advice: simply not wanting to do what the other side is doing. However, I think another big factor that shouldn't be overlooked is that conservatives are likely more hesitant to believe anything being pushed by the establishment, news or otherwise. Look at how well the Qanon ideas infected that group of Americans and it might not seem that surprising that there is a lot of overlap between their party and believing that there is another agenda behind the one being presented as the "right thing to do." There is a lot of distrust of the system right now among those folks, and people who are indoctrinated, whether they realize it or not, tend to interpret statistics differently in order to support their own conceptions. That's just a thing that humans tend to do. + Show Spoiler + I still to this day find it hilarious that Qanon made it into real life politics. Sad as it is, it's still quite funny to me. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
At some point, the US started to have ample PPE and mask mandates started to go out. They then started reversing themselves and became anti-masking. The anti-vaxx movement was kinda the same way, I guess. It started in Hollywood, with a bunch of celebrities. In the last decade, there have been a bunch of outbreaks in the greater LA area of things like measles and whooping cough because of it. Eventually, there was a bit of a backlash. As the movement started weakening among the Hollywood crowd, a bunch of religious establishments picked up on it and it spread to other conservative circles. | ||
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JimmiC
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On June 13 2021 04:11 JimmiC wrote: I guess that is the common thread is rejecting. I find it so hard wrap my head around because growing up conservative meant low government spending, following the rules, protecting tradition, it was not just supporting the establishment, it was the establishment. I am just struggling to wrap my head around it, the Republicans have done a drastic rebranding and I can't catch up. It is like when you have not seen some for a long time and they lost or gained a ton of weight, and even though you obviously know it is them it just does not look or feel right. + Show Spoiler + It really is wild, and if you told me not only would I not believe you but I would think the only chance would be if politicians were using it to influence people but it is the Q that is influencing politics! And like how do you work with someone and think their decisionmaking is ok when you know what they believe? I do agree it is funny, it just can't grow more than now, it is already dangerous in some ways but can you imagine if some dude with a VPN and either a low grasp of reality or a strange sense of human can just power up his VPN and post whatever crazy thing on a message board and directly influence US policy. And what gives him credibility, both no one knows who he is AND everything predicted and said that so far has happened has been incredibly wrong. (Pizza gate and "the storm" immediately come to mind.) Eh, it's not that much of a stretch for conservatives to be anti-establishment in sense that they have always been for limited government intervention (which is the opposite of what we are experiencing now.) I'll limit my post to simply that since this isn't the place for politics. It just isn't as surprising to me, I suppose. + Show Spoiler + And I will also limit this bit since this isn't the place for conspiracies either. The funny thing [to me] about Qanon is how obviously silly it was from the beginning. IIRC it started off on /pol/ and even they were like "dude get that schizo shit out of here" where it migrated to 8kun. If you aren't able to even fit in and convince people on 4chan then you're working with a pretty weak product. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22068 Posts
On June 13 2021 04:29 NrG.Bamboo wrote: Edit:nvm didn't see this was the covid threadEh, it's not that much of a stretch for conservatives to be anti-establishment in sense that they have always been for limited government intervention (which is the opposite of what we are experiencing now.) I'll limit my post to simply that since this isn't the place for politics. It just isn't as surprising to me, I suppose. + Show Spoiler + And I will also limit this bit since this isn't the place for conspiracies either. The funny thing [to me] about Qanon is how obviously silly it was from the beginning. IIRC it started off on /pol/ and even they were like "dude get that schizo shit out of here" where it migrated to 8kun. If you aren't able to even fit in and convince people on 4chan then you're working with a pretty weak product. | ||
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JimmiC
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Simberto
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On June 15 2021 01:49 JimmiC wrote: There were mistakes made, but Canada deciding to go full out on the one dose strategy along with our healthcare system well having issues being on the same page and organized has lead to us now being the #1 country in the world with people who have at least 1 dose (near the bottom with 2 but that is the strategy.) https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-vaccine-first-dose-1.6060834 We'll probably fall behind the UK as they allow more people to get vaccines (Not everyone is eligible as of yet) in most provinces since we have ~85% as the ceiling for uptake in eligible populations. Not that it's a bad number, it works out to around 75% of the overall population of people getting the vaccine, which is pretty solid. We're going to rapidly catch up on second doses in the next three weeks (Probably in excess of 30% of our population will get them) since we're getting 14.3m doses of moderna/pfizer in that timeframe. The first dose strategy has proven very effective despite the early criticism. We're doing walk-in same day registration/injection for first doses across BC now to get the first doses up even higher than they are now (prior to this, everyone had to register/book beforehand). Ideally we can get to 85-90% of all eligible people vaccinated because that's well above the threshold at which we've seen covid get stopped dead in smaller communities. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/14/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-highly-effective-in-late-stage-trial/ On June 15 2021 01:49 JimmiC wrote: There were mistakes made, but Canada deciding to go full out on the one dose strategy along with our healthcare system well having issues being on the same page and organized has lead to us now being the #1 country in the world with people who have at least 1 dose (near the bottom with 2 but that is the strategy.) https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-vaccine-first-dose-1.6060834 I think vaccine hesitancy is the biggest differentiator now among the leading countries. The US has really stalled since sometime in April. We have cities like Seattle where 70% of the entire population is fully vaccinated (78% of 12+ years old) while many states in the South are barely 30%+ with first doses. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
It's fridge stable for 6mo+ so it'll make a big difference when vaccinating any poorer country. Most wealthy countries have their vaccine situations sorted by now. The high efficacy is also really good, especially when the bar was set fairly low by AZ. Agreed on the hesitancy part. There's a snowball effect both ways. If all your friends are vaccinated and you're the odd one out, you're much more likely to get vaccinated. The same goes the other way though, especially if there's a stigma to being different. I'm thankful we have mature minor consent here in BC. Regardless of age, the healthcare(Vaccine) administrator assesses and provides the ability for younger children to make health decisions independently of their parents which has allowed some of them to get vaccinated without the consent of their parents. That's also increased our vaccination rates slightly, because youth are better able to distinguish garbage online content from reputable content, and inform themselves about vaccines as well. | ||
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