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On June 02 2021 19:26 Silvanel wrote:
My parents got second shot of Moderna yesterday, i am having second shot of Pfizer on June 18. Tommorow i start 4 day weekend, weather is nice. I have high hopes for a pretty normal summer right now.
Edit: I also second the opinion that governamnt actions + media reports create a feedback loop. Changing both people attitude and behaviour. Incresing the steepnes of both rise and fall in infiections.
Good for you. I got my second shot of Moderna 3 weeks ago and was fully vaccinated by the middle of last week. I spent my entire Memorial Day weekend finishing a 200+ hour JRPG I've been playing over the past month. 
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Fully vaccinated here as well, as is my wife - genuinely, nothing actually changed since then. We're still wearing our masks (which we consider "normal" now), we still socially distance, we're enjoying our hobby (RC cars) the same way we did over the last years, we stand outside the house and socialise with our neighbours (just from door to door rather than standing at the fence), etc.
The only thing that recently changed for us is that our local takeaway changed from its "limited menu" back to the "normal menu", and that we're allowed to take road trips again through the mountains.
The only real pain we feel due to all the crap going on is that the delivery date of our new EV (Enyaq IV) gets pushed back further and further due to that stupid silicon/chip shortage.
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I'm sure it's lower than average, but I know for a fact it isn't zero. (There are also some nurses I've met afraid of the flu vaccine)
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Given how many nurses etc still smoke, I suspect it's not even that far under the population average.
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On June 10 2021 15:13 Belisarius wrote:
Given how many nurses etc still smoke, I suspect it's not even that far under the population average.
choosing to smoke and choosing to be anti vax are vastly different levels of stupidity
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On June 10 2021 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2021 15:13 Belisarius wrote:
Given how many nurses etc still smoke, I suspect it's not even that far under the population average. choosing to smoke and choosing to be anti vax are vastly different levels of stupidity
In effect, they are similarly stupid. Smoking means you spend money to lower your life expectency and expected quality of life. At least being anti-vax is free.
The main difference with smoking is that you start when you are a stupid teenager (and teenagers do lots of stupid stuff due to how puberty works), and then you are addicted for the rest of your life and have a really, really hard time stopping. With anti-vax you usually start later, and it doesn't rewire your brain to make you addicted either, so it should be easier to get out.
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On June 10 2021 17:57 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2021 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 10 2021 15:13 Belisarius wrote:
Given how many nurses etc still smoke, I suspect it's not even that far under the population average. choosing to smoke and choosing to be anti vax are vastly different levels of stupidity In effect, they are similarly stupid. Smoking means you spend money to lower your life expectency and expected quality of life. At least being anti-vax is free. The main difference with smoking is that you start when you are a stupid teenager (and teenagers do lots of stupid stuff due to how puberty works), and then you are addicted for the rest of your life and have a really, really hard time stopping. With anti-vax you usually start later, and it doesn't rewire your brain to make you addicted either, so it should be easier to get out.
i disagree. smokers arent misinformed about the effects of smoking, they just dont care enough to want to quit. making a conscious decision despite being aware of the facts surrounding smoking is not nearly as stupid as being a denier of the facts about vaccines.
one accepts the science but chooses to ignore it. the other completely rejects science and spreads misinformation.
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On June 10 2021 18:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2021 17:57 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2021 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 10 2021 15:13 Belisarius wrote:
Given how many nurses etc still smoke, I suspect it's not even that far under the population average. choosing to smoke and choosing to be anti vax are vastly different levels of stupidity In effect, they are similarly stupid. Smoking means you spend money to lower your life expectency and expected quality of life. At least being anti-vax is free. The main difference with smoking is that you start when you are a stupid teenager (and teenagers do lots of stupid stuff due to how puberty works), and then you are addicted for the rest of your life and have a really, really hard time stopping. With anti-vax you usually start later, and it doesn't rewire your brain to make you addicted either, so it should be easier to get out. i disagree. smokers arent misinformed about the effects of smoking, they just dont care enough to want to quit. making a conscious decision despite being aware of the facts surrounding smoking is not nearly as stupid as being a denier of the facts about vaccines. one accepts the science but chooses to ignore it. the other completely rejects science and spreads misinformation.
I don't think "not caring" is the right way to put it. I know people who smoke who are really worried about the effects smoking has on their body. But they feel like shit every time they go a few hours without a cigarette. They can't concentrate, can't sleep and their body just craves nicotine (and whatever else is in there). They are waiting for a time when they can deal with the effects of quitting without it affecting their lives. However, that time never comes. Meanwhile all the awful effects of smoking are still somewhere (far) in the future...
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On June 10 2021 18:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2021 18:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 10 2021 17:57 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2021 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 10 2021 15:13 Belisarius wrote:
Given how many nurses etc still smoke, I suspect it's not even that far under the population average. choosing to smoke and choosing to be anti vax are vastly different levels of stupidity In effect, they are similarly stupid. Smoking means you spend money to lower your life expectency and expected quality of life. At least being anti-vax is free. The main difference with smoking is that you start when you are a stupid teenager (and teenagers do lots of stupid stuff due to how puberty works), and then you are addicted for the rest of your life and have a really, really hard time stopping. With anti-vax you usually start later, and it doesn't rewire your brain to make you addicted either, so it should be easier to get out. i disagree. smokers arent misinformed about the effects of smoking, they just dont care enough to want to quit. making a conscious decision despite being aware of the facts surrounding smoking is not nearly as stupid as being a denier of the facts about vaccines. one accepts the science but chooses to ignore it. the other completely rejects science and spreads misinformation. I don't think "not caring" is the right way to put it. I know people who smoke who are really worried about the effects smoking has on their body. But they feel like shit every time they go a few hours without a cigarette. They can't concentrate, can't sleep and their body just craves nicotine (and whatever else is in there). They are waiting for a time when they can deal with the effects of quitting without it affecting their lives. However, that time never comes. Meanwhile all the awful effects of smoking are still somewhere (far) in the future... Correct. You can count me into that group. I am on and off trying, but life seems to get in the way. They are not comparable in any way, cigarettes are a drug.
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Some argue that conspiracy theories work like an addiction. I think that point of view has some merit, based on my experience with people prone to believe in them.
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On June 10 2021 21:27 maybenexttime wrote:
Some argue that conspiracy theories work like an addiction. I think that point of view has some merit, based on my experience with people prone to believe in them.
There are definitely people who are prone to believing in conspiracy theories. Drop your voice to a whisper, start with "most people won't believe this but...", and they'll believe anything you say. I think many of the people who are susceptible to conspiracy theories feel smarter when they are going against the mainstream. They feel part of an elite few who are following a fringe belief.
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Government here is so stupid. We've been hearing over the past year that outdoor spread is insignificant. Virtually all virus spread happens indoors.
Well, the state is scheduled to fully reopen next week. And they just start road construction fucking everywhere. Went to a restaurant maybe 3 miles from my house and there were at least 4 different road construction sites that won't finish until the fall at the earliest. Weather started warming up 3+ months ago so they can't use cold weather as an excuse either. In fact, the area is about to get really hot in the next week.
Even with hybrid work from home schedules, summer traffic is going to be insane. I have a feeling it's going to be worse than pre-Covid traffic.
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Not sure about specifically what kind of construction you're dealing with, but I hear that much of it has been delayed by the lack of raw materials, particularly at public project rates.
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i got the astra zenica and feel actually really good, zero side effects and work called me back :D
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On June 12 2021 06:46 OkStyX wrote:
i got the astra zenica and feel actually really good, zero side effects and work called me back :D
Nice!
Glad you and a couple million others took AZ. I'd think strongly about doing mRNA for the second dose though, first dose of AZ has similar protective qualities to mRNA, but the second dose is much less effective compared to mRNA it seems.
Looks like all provinces in Canada are starting to slow down for first doses now.
It's going to be a slog to get to 70% population vaccinated. BC slowed from 1%+ a day down to .3% a day, and started decreasing around the 65% mark. That probably means our maximum is around 70-75% population vaccinated at this point, which is disappointingly low all things considered.
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On June 10 2021 22:05 JimmiC wrote:
As to the current breed of new antiavxxers that exist I wonder how they.come to terms with believing these contradictory things "covid is not that dangerous/a hoax" "covid is natural, but vaccine is not so covid scarier" "covid is a weapon from a China lab" "covid is killing way more people right now than the vaccine, covid has already shown to have long term effects, but I'm more scared of what might happen with vaccine long term even though so far after a billion jabs it looks way better" " covid is not that bad, but the vaccine which is kind of a much weaker version of covid is really bad"
I've been seeing all those reasons often from the same people and they argue against their own points but don't realize it.
How many people do you know are saying/believing all of these things simultaneously? Personally, I only commonly come across "it's not a big deal" and "I don't trust the vaccines," which aren't really contradictory. And I know a whole lot of people who aren't planning on getting vaccinated.
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