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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 03 2020 05:33 Mohdoo wrote: Do we have anyone from Florida around? What's it like over there? It seems like a complete disaster. My worry for them is that with the amount of testing available now, unlike NY you get to see a real-time exponential increase in the cases and still no action by the state government has been taken yet. Even with immediate action it'll get worse for a few weeks before getting better. With ~10x undercount of cases in NY, they were somewhere around 100k new infections a day at its peak. With 10k today, 50% asymptomatic and a 1 week delay of symptoms, and 1 week doubling time, there would be at minimum 40k actual new infections today. They'll hit NY's numbers by Friday next week at the latest if nothing happens. It's scary as hell for anybody who actually looks at the numbers and compares to what happened to NY. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
On July 03 2020 05:33 Mohdoo wrote: Do we have anyone from Florida around? What's it like over there? It seems like a complete disaster. My girlfriend lives in Florida, so I've gone down to visit her a couple of times this year. Floridians are pretty much in denial. COVID-19 just doesn't exist for them... Masks? Nope. No one wears masks. If I walk around with a mask on and they see me, they just roll their eyes and shake their heads. Either that, or they just avoid me entirely since I'm Asian. Social Distancing? Nope. People are always getting together for barbecue parties and other social gatherings. I see people openly playing sports like basketball, frisbee golf, and other activities that require your bodies to be way too close to each other. Working from home? Yes, but they hate it. One of my gf's friends actually worked in a place where the CEO refused to shut down and have their employees work from home until a positive COVID-19 case finally came out from one of their own. And after having everyone work from home, this company was one of the first ones to open up again and have everyone come into the office. Gyms have reopened. Restaurants too. Dining in is heavily frowned upon, but some people don't care, and they just do it anyway. At least most people prefer outdoor seating if the option is available. It's bad down there... They simply just don't care... | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23470 Posts
On July 03 2020 08:10 Nevuk wrote: Governor of texas just instituted a mask mandate, only a month or two after calling it a drastic over reach. https://twitter.com/GovAbbott/status/1278791653017432065 Enforcement is basically impossible at this point in my experience. Personally there's various levels of aggressiveness in signage. I haven't done any scientific study on it, but it seems the more aggressively worded the sign, the more people I see inside with masks. Can't imagine what trying to enforce it in places like Texas would be like. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Fox news is also having Hannity start doing PSAs, so that should hopefully convince some hold outs that it isn't a hoax. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23470 Posts
On July 03 2020 08:23 Nevuk wrote: Well, 250$ fines aren't a joke for such a simple action. It is a traffic ticket, basically. The ones in Florida I read about were 500$. It doesn't take much enforcement to get the majority of people to wear them in crowded areas. Fox news is also having Hannity start doing PSAs, so that should hopefully convince some hold outs that it isn't a hoax. I'd personally prefer to take my chances with social influence without involving the police/fines/justice system as enforcers if at all possible. Bribing Hannity would be something I'd personally consider preferable for my own safety. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On July 02 2020 09:56 LegalLord wrote: So it looks like Sweden is finally starting to come to terms with the failure of its policy. It's certainly not suffering as bad as some other countries, but it's quite bad for one as well-positioned as Sweden. Looks like they assembled a commission to reevaluate its response; lockdowns are probably going to follow. Source Notable to me is that for all the obvious problems of the strategy, it doesn't seem to have come with any meaningful benefits. Economy still tanks, but now more people are infected and the most effective strategies that involve early and aggressive testing are too late to be implemented. A complete and utter "too early to tell" failure. While you could be right that Sweden's strategy is not good (maybe the simplest argument for it would be that it seems that the authorities themselves are switching to the "normal" strategy outside of Stockholm that involves more testing and track and trace), I would like to point out that you have your facts wrong. 1) Most statistics indicate that the peak of cases in Sweden was around mid/late march. There are only more cases now because of more extensive testing: the number of ICU patients and deaths have been on a steady decline for three months now (there is not any excess mortality in the country now either which corroborates this). 2) By all estimates I have seen (here from the national bank of Sweden), the country's economy is in fact doing better than most other countries in the crises (despite being heavily reliant on export). | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I did find one item that was particularly impressive: a particulate filter / respirator mask that was marketed as if it were an N95 mask (the mask's sketchy website boasts 99% efficiency on particles larger than .01 micrometers). Ear loops instead of neck loops, marking on the actual mask is "PM2.5" instead of the official "N95" one, but it certainly does fit and seal like a genuine respirator mask (and as might be expected, can hardly breathe in one of them). I suppose it's the kind of mask you'd wear to protect yourself from pollution. Definitely very sketchy compared to an actual genuine mask with a defined standard, but at only a couple of dollars a pop I'm not complaining. If I ever make the questionable decision to fly within the next 8 months or so, there's absolutely no way that I'd do that with nothing more than a cloth mask. | ||
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soul55555
Canada45 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium4957 Posts
That said, with good social adaptations and treatments I think we can get back to a pretty normalized way of living. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
On a personal level though, I'm working from home until a vaccine is available. The office is opening back up in September or so, but it will be have restrictions 1. People who cannot effectively work from home (kids, lack of workspace etc.), max 30% occupancy, and manager approval required. 2. No amenities (coffee etc.) 3. No air conditioning, expectation is that during winter, heating will be at the minimum level required to prevent pipe freezes, to avoid circulation of air Pretty much, unless you cannot work from home in any reasonable way, you should not go to the office. I have a coworker who lives in a tiny space, and literally only has a bed to work off of who wants to go back and no external monitors, or space to put them. Everyone else I've spoken to is happy working from home. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On July 03 2020 15:32 Elroi wrote: While you could be right that Sweden's strategy is not good (maybe the simplest argument for it would be that it seems that the authorities themselves are switching to the "normal" strategy outside of Stockholm that involves more testing and track and trace), I would like to point out that you have your facts wrong. 1) Most statistics indicate that the peak of cases in Sweden was around mid/late march. There are only more cases now because of more extensive testing: the number of ICU patients and deaths have been on a steady decline for three months now (there is not any excess mortality in the country now either which corroborates this). 2) By all estimates I have seen (here from the national bank of Sweden), the country's economy is in fact doing better than most other countries in the crises (despite being heavily reliant on export). Yes, the deaths story in the USA is the same with deaths peaking 3 months ago and declining since. Even the past month that has seen a large spike in cases there has been no rise whatsoever in deaths.Could be more younger people infected, the virus is mutating to a different form, like I said in the other thread governors not sending Covid positive patients back to nursing homes helps with the death rate too. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 04 2020 03:29 soul55555 wrote: When do you guys think covid-19 will end? Vaccine may come third quarter next year. But we have promising results with serum atm to cure patients. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Countries that look like they're getting worse: US Brazil Mexico India Bangladesh Saudi Arabia Iran South Africa (pretty sharp exponential) Ukraine Philippines Israel (very "second wave"-like) Colombia Countries that still have a large number of active cases, but seem to be over the peak: Russia Pakistan Peru Sweden Chile Turkey Most of the rest of Europe, really Countries that seem to have it mostly under control: China South Korea Singapore (remarkably low death rate that beggars belief / suggests they don't report death) Bunch of really small or remote countries I can only conclude that it doesn't seem like there's an end in sight for any of this. The hotspots evolve monthly, the whole "herd immunity" strategy looks like it was a crock of shit, and countries that had a big caseload don't seem to really ever be free enough of it to contain the virus. A bonus discovery I found amusing in digging through this (dated April 13): Israeli scientists are on the cusp of developing the first vaccine against the novel coronavirus, according to Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis. If all goes as planned, the vaccine could be ready within a few weeks and available in 90 days, according to a release. (Akunis made his statement at the end of February.) “Congratulations to MIGAL [The Galilee Research Institute] on this exciting breakthrough,” Akunis said. “I am confident there will be further rapid progress, enabling us to provide a needed response to the grave global COVID-19 threat,” Akunis said, referring to the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Source Guessing it didn't happen... | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On July 04 2020 11:20 LegalLord wrote: At a cursory glance of the Worldometers data: Countries that look like they're getting worse: US Brazil Mexico India Bangladesh Saudi Arabia Iran South Africa (pretty sharp exponential) Ukraine Philippines Israel (very "second wave"-like) Colombia Countries that still have a large number of active cases, but seem to be over the peak: Russia Pakistan Peru Sweden Chile Turkey Most of the rest of Europe, really Countries that seem to have it mostly under control: China South Korea Singapore (remarkably low death rate that beggars belief / suggests they don't report death) Bunch of really small or remote countries I can only conclude that it doesn't seem like there's an end in sight for any of this. The hotspots evolve monthly, the whole "herd immunity" strategy looks like it was a crock of shit, and countries that had a big caseload don't seem to really ever be free enough of it to contain the virus. A bonus discovery I found amusing in digging through this (dated April 13): Source Guessing it didn't happen... Hi. I see you mentioned Singapore here. Every single confirmed case here is documented and available to public. Because of extensive contact tracing, we can even check the links between cases, and which clusters they may be from. I'm 100% certain deaths are not under reported at all. Its mainly because our health care is not overburdened yet. We have enough ventilators. We have set up temporary 'wards' in expos for the less severe/recovering cases to free room in hospitals. We're also a small rich country, so it's easy to consolidate resources and the public has easy access to the health care. All this contributes to ensure that the sick is able to get prompt and quality treatment. I think what's more impressive about us that's often underreported is that we have a total of 44k cases to date, and only 2k involves Singaporean residents. The rest of the 42k are mostly our Foreign labourers, yet we still give them the same quality hospital treatment. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
A more credible explanation I’ve seen is that the demographics of the infected skew heavily towards the young and healthy, which would make sense. “100% certainty” in the confidence of official data or not, though, it’s still curious. Either everything in Singapore was handled damn near perfectly (possible), or the alleged death rate is out of sync with reality. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On July 04 2020 16:27 LegalLord wrote: That’s not really a good explanation. Even with the best of healthcare, a deadly disease is going to kill a decent number of people. The order of magnitude difference from the apparent death rate seen everywhere else is suspect. A more credible explanation I’ve seen is that the demographics of the infected skew heavily towards the young and healthy, which would make sense. “100% certainty” in the confidence of official data or not, though, it’s still curious. Either everything in Singapore was handled damn near perfectly (possible), or the alleged death rate is out of sync with reality. Possibly too. Like I said, 42k/44k of our infected are foreign labourers, most of them are likely fairly young 20-40 yo to be labourers here. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
- World Coronavirus Cases: 11,197,281 = 0.1454% (of the 7,700,000,000 people on earth), ↑up. - Deaths: 529,197 = 4.726% (of the people who got it) down↓. 0.0068% (of the people in the world), stable. - Recovered: 6,342,854 = 56.65%, ↑up. - Currently Infected Patients = 4,325,230; 4,266,413 (99%) in Mild Condition, stable. 58,817 (1%) Serious or Critical, stable. - Cases which had an outcome = 6,872,051; 6,342,854 (92%) Recovered/Discharged, ↑up. 529,197 (8%) Deaths, down↓. - 80+ years old 14.8%, - 70-79 years old 8.0%, - 60-69 years old 3.6%, - 50-59 years old 1.3%, - 40-49 years old 0.4%, - 30-39 years old 0.2%, - 20-29 years old 0.2%, - 0-19 years old 0.2%, - Male 4.7%, - Female 2.8% - Patients who reported no pre-existing ("comorbid") medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%. Pre-existing illnesses that put patients at higher risk of dying from a COVID-19 infection are: - Cardiovascular disease 13.2%, - Diabetes 9.2%, - Chronic respiratory disease 8.0%, - Hypertension 8.4%, - Cancer 7.6%, - No pre-existing conditions 0.9%. ORANGE COUNTY: ~ 3,010,232 people in OC. - 15,778 cases = 0.524% of Orange County, ↑up. - 360 deaths = 2.282% , down↓. (0.01196% of Orange County), stable. (Most of which are in Anaheim/Santa Ana.) - 0.068% of the deaths in the world, ↑up. - 0.1409% of the cases in the world, ↑up. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: ~ 335 million people in USA. - 2,890,588 cases = 0.8629% of Americans, ↑up. - Deaths = 132,101 = 4.57% Of cases, down↓. (0.0394% of Americans), ↑up. - Total recovered = 1,235,488 = 42.74%, ↑up. - 24.96% of the deaths in the world, down↓. - 25.82% of the cases in the world, ↑up. CALIFORNIA: ~ 39.5 million people in CA State. - 248,235 cases = 0.741% of CA, ↑up. 8.588% of USA, ↑up. - Deaths: 6,263 = 2.523% of CA who got the virus, down↓. (0.01586% of CA), stable. This is 4.741% of the covid deaths in the country, ↑up. (Most of which is in LA county.) - 1.183% deaths of the world, ↑up. - 2.217% cases in the world, ↑up. NEW YORK: ~ 20 million people in NY State. - 395,872 cases = 1.979% of NY, stable. 13.7% of USA, down↓. - 24,885 deaths = 6.286% of NY who got the virus, down↓. (0.1244% of New Yorkers), stable. This is 18.84% of the deaths in the country, down↓. (Most of which is in NY City.) - 4.702% of the deaths in the world, down↓. - 3.535% of the cases in the world, down↓. - (8,398,748 In NY City) - Keep in mind USA has tested the most of any other country so far at 36,297,195. The next best tested country is Russia 20,451,110. We've tested more than 10% of america. And I'm ignoring China data here, because they simply can't be trusted (saying 90+ million tests and very little cases and deaths in a country of billions where it started). + 24,000-62,000 Seasonal flu deaths this year, 39m-56m flu cases (as of April). Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses. This figure corresponds to 795 to 1,781 deaths per day due to the seasonal flu. + 13,078 People who died of hunger today. + 213,123 Deaths caused by water related diseases this year. + 248,245 Deaths caused by malaria this year. + 341,638 Road traffic accident fatalities this year. + 67,367 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States in 2018. + 53,000 mental ill/addict homeless in LA and 918 died in 2018. SOURCES: https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2020/03/10/us-coronavirus-map-tracking-united-states-outbreak/4945223002/ https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=14,520 as a percent of 305,820&fbclid=IwAR0XPJnoS_vluWWEEWUSuSkDmr7zmfXMxwdIqvNQNwBLXlS_5drZWcmkuWo https://www.calculator.net/percent-calculator.html?c22par1=22,314&c22par2=427079&ctype=22&x=71&y=18#pctcommon https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHCOVID-19Tracker-Map?:embed=yes&:toolbar=no&:tabs=n https://update.covid19.ca.gov/#top | ||
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