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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
To be fair to him, Slydie only compared death tolls, not the virus itself. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
Virus is surging here, and every day I hear more and more stories of people bitching and complaining that they have to wear a facemask to visit a business. sigh. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 29 2020 06:18 Vindicare605 wrote: Welp, they just closed the bars again in Los Angeles. That was a brief 2-3 weeks lol. Virus is surging here, and every day I hear more and more stories of people bitching and complaining that they have to wear a facemask to visit a business. sigh. Yeah I saw that too today from Newsom. It was fun while it lasted! Orange County still isn't impacted by the most recent order. Mask use is very high, but not in every area. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
On June 28 2020 23:53 Simberto wrote: I haven't heard that "it's just a flu" thing for a long while. Are there still people claiming that? (outside of the US and Trumps cult i mean) And yeah, longterm effects are only going to get worse as more time passes and more people can actually develop those longterm issues. Yes there are plenty of people who still think that. I read an article regarding Australia’s recent cluster of coronavirus cases and one of the people in the area refused to wear a mask and social distance because “I don’t know anyone that’s sick” and “I’m young so it won’t harm me, it only affects old people and old people are going to die in the next few years anyway so who cares”. The people who still believe this is just a flu have convinced themselves that way so they don’t feel guilty about the consequences. It’s a justification for their selfishness, many aren’t as brazen as this guy and will instead cry about their freedoms being trampled on as if social distancing and mask wearing is so damn hard. Edit: The other problem are that idiots exist everywhere. There’s another Texas household who has a surprise 30th birthday where they didn’t properly social distance. Whole cluster of close to 20 ended up catching it with 3 (?) elderly family members sent straight to the hospital all because one guy refused to believe he caught the disease and his cough was just work related. They were aware of the virus, I believe the cancer survivor of the family stood outside. From memory the only reason we know about the cluster outbreak is because one of the family members didn’t go because she was in the medical field and knew it was super stupid. I don’t think this mentality is unique to America, which is why governments all around are trying to mitigate the problem of idiots by implementing measures like cluster tracing, which was one half of the whole point of the initial lockdowns. Evidently America has not done any of this, looking at Florida, Texas, Arizona and California. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23467 Posts
Is shoving someone not wearing a mask and standing too close while refusing to move away in a line assault or self-defense? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4733 Posts
On June 29 2020 07:38 StalkerTL wrote: Yes there are plenty of people who still think that. I read an article regarding Australia’s recent cluster of coronavirus cases and one of the people in the area refused to wear a mask and social distance because “I don’t know anyone that’s sick” and “I’m young so it won’t harm me, it only affects old people and old people are going to die in the next few years anyway so who cares”. The people who still believe this is just a flu have convinced themselves that way so they don’t feel guilty about the consequences. It’s a justification for their selfishness, many aren’t as brazen as this guy and will instead cry about their freedoms being trampled on as if social distancing and mask wearing is so damn hard. Edit: The other problem are that idiots exist everywhere. There’s another Texas household who has a surprise 30th birthday where they didn’t properly social distance. Whole cluster of close to 20 ended up catching it with 3 (?) elderly family members sent straight to the hospital all because one guy refused to believe he caught the disease and his cough was just work related. They were aware of the virus, I believe the cancer survivor of the family stood outside. From memory the only reason we know about the cluster outbreak is because one of the family members didn’t go because she was in the medical field and knew it was super stupid. I don’t think this mentality is unique to America, which is why governments all around are trying to mitigate the problem of idiots by implementing measures like cluster tracing, which was one half of the whole point of the initial lockdowns. Evidently America has not done any of this, looking at Florida, Texas, Arizona and California. I concur it is not uniqe to US, i see people like that all the time in Poland. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6994 Posts
On June 28 2020 19:17 zatic wrote: I've been traveling around Germany on train the past two days and regularly scanned for Bluetooth LE signals from the Corona app. On long distance trains I would say 50% of people have it running from my 2 day survey. In local trains less people run it, maybe 30%? A little difficult to tell since you get BLE Signals from everywhere when a train goes through the city. Still very good coverage of the tracing app or there! I read it has about 15 mio downloads (iOS and Android combined) and is active on about 12 mio devices I think these are actualy pretty sad numbers. I occasionally ask people I know if they have the app installed and tracing and about 50% of them answer "No because of privacy reasons" ... Then they post 20 pictures on Insta and send their location to all their friends in whatsapp ... EDIT: This is mostly the medias fault btw. Because of clickbait stuff like "this is what the covid app REALLY does" There is so much false information about this out there, it's ridiculous EDIT2: On June 28 2020 15:44 Slydie wrote: I would just delete that app. In your case, it seems like pure evil. Passing by someone on the street is extremaly unlikely to give you the virus, but apps like that will make you paranoid AF. lol what? "Okay the app says I might have COVID, but when I delete the app I don't have it" Sounds like a reasonable solution..... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
On June 29 2020 11:56 GreenHorizons wrote: New rule requiring masks is being completely ignored by about 15-25%, another 15-25% are (seemingly intentionally) wearing them below their nose. Is shoving someone not wearing a mask and standing too close while refusing to move away in a line assault or self-defense? I’m going to go out on a limb and assume it will be taken as the former, if people aren’t going to wear masks or distance they aren’t taking the virus seriously in the first place, never mind seriously enough to justify getting pushed. How is distancing in general over there? Mask use where I am is pretty thin on the ground but in general distancing has been reasonably good for quite some time. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
On June 29 2020 17:29 Harris1st wrote: I read it has about 15 mio downloads (iOS and Android combined) and is active on about 12 mio devices I think these are actualy pretty sad numbers. I occasionally ask people I know if they have the app installed and tracing and about 50% of them answer "No because of privacy reasons" ... Then they post 20 pictures on Insta and send their location to all their friends in whatsapp ... EDIT: This is mostly the medias fault btw. Because of clickbait stuff like "this is what the covid app REALLY does" There is so much false information about this out there, it's ridiculous EDIT2: lol what? "Okay the app says I might have COVID, but when I delete the app I don't have it" Sounds like a reasonable solution..... Media need to cover these things responsibly, equally people have to stop being so arrogant and listen to people who do know the area. Or be honest about their objections. Whatever, just increasingly frustrated. Technology of this kind has such great potential for actual human betterment but gets bottlenecked these objections, meanwhile those objections are dropped entirely when it comes to the 15+ years of honing aggressive personalised marketing and buying things more conveniently from borderline monopolies that treat their workers like shit. For fuck’s sake tangent aside what’s wrong with just taking the German contract tracing system that iirc is open source and repurposing it? I believe the U.K. and other nations are insisting on making their own at additional time and expense out of national pride. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Thus I'd consider everyone citing privacy concerns as disingenuous or misinformed. | ||
zatic
Zurich15355 Posts
On June 29 2020 19:14 Wombat_NI wrote: Media need to cover these things responsibly, equally people have to stop being so arrogant and listen to people who do know the area. Or be honest about their objections. Whatever, just increasingly frustrated. Technology of this kind has such great potential for actual human betterment but gets bottlenecked these objections, meanwhile those objections are dropped entirely when it comes to the 15+ years of honing aggressive personalised marketing and buying things more conveniently from borderline monopolies that treat their workers like shit. For fuck’s sake tangent aside what’s wrong with just taking the German contract tracing system that iirc is open source and repurposing it? I believe the U.K. and other nations are insisting on making their own at additional time and expense out of national pride. There was news last week that the UK is considering scrapping their own implementation and is looking at adopting the CWA from the Germans. Is this old news already or was this falsely reported? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
On June 29 2020 20:37 zatic wrote: There was news last week that the UK is considering scrapping their own implementation and is looking at adopting the CWA from the Germans. Is this old news already or was this falsely reported? Given I ignore much of the news outside of TL and talking with friends, I’m probably not a good judge. But yes last I heard that was indeed being mooted. Not of course before spending a reported 12 million pounds on a British app of course. Amongst Boris Johnson claiming that no country in the world has a functional contact tracing app. Covid has shown both the benefits of multinational cooperation in all sorts of areas, don’t get me wrong there, but amongst that there is plenty of petty parochialism too. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6994 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11629 Posts
On June 29 2020 17:29 Harris1st wrote: I read it has about 15 mio downloads (iOS and Android combined) and is active on about 12 mio devices I think these are actualy pretty sad numbers. I occasionally ask people I know if they have the app installed and tracing and about 50% of them answer "No because of privacy reasons" ... Then they post 20 pictures on Insta and send their location to all their friends in whatsapp ... EDIT: This is mostly the medias fault btw. Because of clickbait stuff like "this is what the covid app REALLY does" There is so much false information about this out there, it's ridiculous I don't think those numbers are that bad. Only about 70% of the population (about 82 million) have a smartphone. If 12 million people have the app active, that means that about 21% of the people who have a smartphone have the app installed, after two week or so of it existing. I think those numbers are not that bad. Apparently the app starts to have a reasonable effect once about 15% of the population use it, which would be about 12.3 million. Sure, more is better, but getting so many people to install an app so quickly is actually pretty impressive in my opinion. And yes, clickbaity stuff is a bit of a problem. If you have privacy concerns, you are almost certainly misinformed. I wish more of the media would write something like "This is how it works, these privacy people say it is no problem. Just install it, you idiot." | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
Thankfully her case is mild. Really sobering how close this is hitting right now. Even for her, who isn't experiencing the worst of symptoms she's still telling me how not fun this virus is to contract. This shit isn't a hoax folks. She got lucky, and it's still miserable for her. Take it seriously. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6994 Posts
On June 30 2020 00:28 Simberto wrote: I don't think those numbers are that bad. Only about 70% of the population (about 82 million) have a smartphone. If 12 million people have the app active, that means that about 21% of the people who have a smartphone have the app installed, after two week or so of it existing. I think those numbers are not that bad. Apparently the app starts to have a reasonable effect once about 15% of the population use it, which would be about 12.3 million. Sure, more is better, but getting so many people to install an app so quickly is actually pretty impressive in my opinion. And yes, clickbaity stuff is a bit of a problem. If you have privacy concerns, you are almost certainly misinformed. I wish more of the media would write something like "This is how it works, these privacy people say it is no problem. Just install it, you idiot." That would be a nice headline indeed! Hope they keep pushing the app in all media channels (TV, Radio, Paper,...) with how it works and that it has absolutely NO downsides whatsoever to use it Btw I have almost a complete circle now (13 out of 14 days, still green thank god :D ) | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
Edit: The other problem are that idiots exist everywhere. There’s another Texas household who has a surprise 30th birthday where they didn’t properly social distance. Whole cluster of close to 20 ended up catching it with 3 (?) elderly family members sent straight to the hospital all because one guy refused to believe he caught the disease and his cough was just work related. They were aware of the virus, I believe the cancer survivor of the family stood outside. From memory the only reason we know about the cluster outbreak is because one of the family members didn’t go because she was in the medical field and knew it was super stupid. This is a pretty typical situation which should have been avoided. The spreader was NOT asympthomatic and when there are a lot of active cases in a region, you should not throw a party like that. Even limiting the party to 10 people would have helped a lot. I believe the virus almost always spreads in obvious ways with close contact indoors over time, not by farfetched ones, like a random cough when shopping or in the streets. Some other supid events include the multiple outbreaks in religous services, beer pong in the Swiss Alps and a food-sharing among youth in Sweden. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/europe/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html https://www.nrk.no/urix/sverige_-koronasmitte-etter-lek-med-mat-og-frykt-for-smitte-under-midtsommerfestene-1.15060476 (Norwegian) | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6994 Posts
On June 30 2020 18:22 Slydie wrote: This is a pretty typical situation which should have been avoided. The spreader was NOT asympthomatic and when there are a lot of active cases in a region, you should not throw a party like that. Even limiting the party to 10 people would have helped a lot. I believe the virus almost always spreads in obvious ways with close contact indoors over time, not by farfetched ones, like a random cough when shopping or in the streets. Some other supid events include the multiple outbreaks in religous services, beer pong in the Swiss Alps and a food-sharing among youth in Sweden. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/europe/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html https://www.nrk.no/urix/sverige_-koronasmitte-etter-lek-med-mat-og-frykt-for-smitte-under-midtsommerfestene-1.15060476 (Norwegian) ehhh Slydie you do realize that the CNN report from the Alps is from March right? And describes how Ischgl became the centre of the spread, which at least every European and probably most of the world population already know  | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
Just in time for our politicians to do a symbolic 4th of July Stars and Stripes mask wearing despite 120,000 dead and economies being shattered because no one had any coherent plan to track and stop the spread. User was warned for this post. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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