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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 27 2020 16:26 Manifesto7 wrote: Not to judge, what was the thought process in vacationing in Florida right now? I’m in a country with almost no COVID, and I still don’t go to the mall. Just curious as to another perspective. Visiting family - had been over a year since seeing them and I thought it would be even worse later in the year. The only thing we've really done outside of the house is visit the beach, which is supposedly pretty safe (my sister is a doctor and I've checked with her on basically everything). Most dangerous thing by far was the plane, due to 40% of people wearing no mask. That was pretty unexpected, and if I had known it would be like that I might not have come. | ||
KwarK
United States43964 Posts
On June 28 2020 00:22 Nevuk wrote: Visiting family - had been over a year since seeing them and I thought it would be even worse later in the year. The only thing we've really done outside of the house is visit the beach, which is supposedly pretty safe (my sister is a doctor and I've checked with her on basically everything). Most dangerous thing by far was the plane, due to 40% of people wearing no mask. That was pretty unexpected, and if I had known it would be like that I might not have come. To be clear, you’re staying with a high infection risk medical worker and then getting on a plane home without a 14 day wait? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 28 2020 00:45 KwarK wrote: To be clear, you’re staying with a high infection risk medical worker and then getting on a plane home without a 14 day wait? No, lol. I'm only here with my wife, who is not a medical worker. I don't live with my sister, I just talk to her. Additionally, I am working from home after returning for months. The relative I'm visiting is my elderly father. Sorry I wasn't clearer. My sister is a Dr in rural KY. To be clear, it was my father that had basically been begging us to visit. So it isn't really for my sake (most worried about exposing him to the virus - the two of us are low risk. He isn't extremely high risk, as he is only 66 and in very good health, but I'm still a bit worried about it). | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9204 Posts
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Vivax
22301 Posts
On June 28 2020 02:00 Dan HH wrote: As soon as the state of emergency was lifted here in mid May everyone pretended the pandemic was over and now our daily confirmed cases are back to the peak from mid April. But unlike in April, now no one is wearing masks except when shopping where it's mandatory, everyone's shaking hands and going to social gatherings. The future is bleak, we have learned nothing. Have you taken into account that many are immune now. I'm still waiting for politics and MSM to stop acting like this thing was the only problem. Never gonna happen. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45762 Posts
On June 28 2020 04:18 Vivax wrote: Have you taken into account that many are immune now. I'm still waiting for politics and MSM to stop acting like this thing was the only problem. Never gonna happen. Assuming Dan HH is speaking about Romania... 26,000 cases of coronavirus with almost 19,000 recovered ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/romania/ ) Population of Romania: 19.2 million ( https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/romania-population/ ) 19,000 / 19,200,000 = slightly under 0.1% (one-tenth of one percent) of the Romanian population have been sick with + recovered from coronavirus. I highly doubt that a 0.1% (one person per one thousand) increase in people no longer wearing masks would really be noticeable, even with reasonable variation. I think it's far more likely that a lot of people believe that the easing of quarantine restrictions implies that one can engage in riskier behavior and no longer practice smart, health-conscious guidelines. The same thing is happening all over the United States at the moment; the second that places reopen, people flock there without masks and without social distancing. Then we see predictable spikes, and the next wave of cases comes. | ||
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Vivax
22301 Posts
Not the first time a disease has been overhyped. That tamiflu governments stockpiled for millions of $ from 2011 (was it?) during the bird flu hype also got binned probably. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Vivax
22301 Posts
On June 28 2020 04:52 JimmiC wrote: Considering Sweden has done mass testing to try tocheck on there status and they are at 12-13 % DPB is probably closer. And myth is a strong word theory makes sense, considering how other similar viruses work and the research on the anti bodies we might not be in probable territory but we are in possible. It really depends on the virus family you're looking at. It's not common for coronaviridae to be persistent. Herpes among others on the other hand is. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28790 Posts
Spain is a country where 0.6% of the population has tested positive. More widespread testing revealed that the real number of spaniards to have had the virus is at about 5% - 90% of cases going undetected by healthcare. This is far from sufficient immunity to protect against future outbreaks. Romania's death count per million is about 12% of that of Spain, so a reasonable estimate would be that their infection load is something like that, too. Even if we're generous towards your argument and assume that Romania's demographic (fewer older people) means they have a lower mortality rate, there's basically no way more than 2% of Romania's population have had it. When talking about immunity that shields from future outbreaks the numbers cited have been in the 40%+ range (being generous towards your argument here, too), and no country is even close to that, and I'm not talking about confirmed cases but about 'real infection numbers'. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45762 Posts
On June 28 2020 05:03 Simberto wrote: And all of that is assuming that long-term immunity is actually a thing, which isn't really confirmed at this point as far as i know. Also true. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11817 Posts
So if large amounts of people are participating in unsafe behaviour openly, those are probably just idiots, not the small amount of possibly immune people who actually know it. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 28 2020 06:35 schaf wrote: I had a wonderful weekend with my girlfriend up till now. We went to the zoo, stayed safe and had a blast. Then her tracking app told her she had one short contact to a confirmed case ... However small the chance is, she went home. The feeling of not being able to even hug her for goodbyes is sickening. I think we are safe but my heart now really goes out to all those people not being able to stay with their sick loved ones. And not attending their funerals if they don't make it. Terrifying feeling. Sorry to hear that man, hope she is alright. Yea, it's been tough - I've definitely felt my spirits sag this week. My girl is immuno-compromised: I might not be able to safely see her again until 2021 | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
she had one short contact to a confirmed case ... what does that mean?, practically.- was the person confirmed some time ago?; (could he been healed/cured in the meantime?) - was the person confirmed and walking about, defying isolation/quarantine?; i think clarifications are very important; i don't know how the app flags people(does it updates?, does it lag with updates/refreshes?). | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On June 28 2020 06:35 schaf wrote: I had a wonderful weekend with my girlfriend up till now. We went to the zoo, stayed safe and had a blast. Then her tracking app told her she had one short contact to a confirmed case ... However small the chance is, she went home. The feeling of not being able to even hug her for goodbyes is sickening. I think we are safe but my heart now really goes out to all those people not being able to stay with their sick loved ones. And not attending their funerals if they don't make it. Terrifying feeling. I would just delete that app. In your case, it seems like pure evil. Passing by someone on the street is extremaly unlikely to give you the virus, but apps like that will make you paranoid AF. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11817 Posts
On June 28 2020 13:52 xM(Z wrote: what does that mean?, practically. - was the person confirmed some time ago?; (could he been healed/cured in the meantime?) - was the person confirmed and walking about, defying isolation/quarantine?; i think clarifications are very important; i don't know how the app flags people(does it updates?, does it lag with updates/refreshes?). The way the german app works is (roughly, as far as i know) the following: It regularly sends out (changing) codes via bluetooth low energy. Other phones with the same app log which codes they get. If you get tested positively, you get a qr code you can input into your app, which then sends a list of the codes it has sent to a server. The apps on other peoples phones get this list of identifier numbers from the server once a day or so. Since it knows that it has received one of these numbers, it now knows that a person, who later tested positive, it can now calculate from the bluetooth low energy data how long that person was how close to you, and if you are thus in danger of having been infected and should react appropriately. In the story mentioned above, this probably means that the contact was not necessarily in the zoo, but maybe a day or two earlier, and that a person she had contact with (which at that point didn't know they were infected) has now been tested positive. This means that schaf's girlfriend should now isolate and get tested to possible stop that line of infections. No one did anything wrong, but she still might be infected. (Of course, all of this is not a magical solution to the virus, but if reasonable amounts of the population use it, it might help reduce R a bit, and thus be a part of the solution to fighting the pandemic) | ||
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