Coronavirus and You - Page 193

On July 07 2020 16:44 Lmui wrote:
The next major milestone for the US is 1% of total population officially infected by covid. This milestone should happen in the next week.

It's staggering how badly handled it is on the whole. They were the last major country to get hit, and are handling it about as badly as possible.

The canadian border is a bit leaky unfortunately with people who are "going to alaska". I live in a not touristy location, but Whistler, banff and other major destinations might get hammered by Americans.

On July 08 2020 01:02 JimmiC wrote:
Brazilian Prime minster just got diagnosed Covid, he has been against measures and even attempted to block measures in various states. Perhaps this experience will change his outlook.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/brazils-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-covid-19/ar-BB16rxI0?li=AAggNb9

On July 08 2020 02:16 Mohdoo wrote:


Just like Trump, he 100% will receive antibody plasma. He will not suffer. Antibody plasma treatment is totally nonviable for a whole country, but super easy when you just need to keep 1 dude alive.

On July 08 2020 02:28 Gorsameth wrote:
The effective of plasma treatment is in doubt.
A major hospital in the Netherlands stopped the research this week because patients are apparently already producing their own antibodies, and administering more doesn't seem to have much effect.

(source in dutch: www.ad.nl

On July 08 2020 01:44 Danglars wrote:

Last major country to get hit? Does South America not have any major countries, somehow?

We should be seeing the start of increases in deaths, since states like Arizona had a surge starting in late May. That hasn't happened yet. Despite all the people telling me (at the time) just wait two weeks. Georgia weekly cases up 200% compared to last month, weekly deaths down 60%.

Handling it better is part of the reason, along with younger people getting tested and testing positive, and availability of PPE and testing in general. The country has been reopening, as it should, and the only things that will show we're "handling it about as badly as possible" is if hospitalizations exceed capacity, or deaths start mimicking the earlier peaks. (In fact, it's hard to find places that are handling the recent surge badly ... like they had plans and implemented them)

On July 08 2020 08:21 Lmui wrote:


Compared to Italy, UK, France, Germany and a host of other countries, yeah USA was the last to get hit hard. They're also #1 in the world as far as cases and deaths go. Yeah, the states tests a lot, but when in excess of 15 of the tests turn out positive when you're doing that volume of testing, covid is spreading faster than you're testing. Florida performed 48.5k tests yesterday. Of those, 16.2% were positive. It was pretty clear months ago that to be able to control it, you need to test enough to get that under 5% in order to catch anyone who might have been exposed.

At the individual/hospital level, they're doing the best they can with resources available, but younger people getting infected will almost inevitably result in older populations getting hammered as well as they interact.

On July 08 2020 15:29 Kipsate wrote:
I think a larger problem is that ICUs are getting maxed out in some places, so eventually even though you can treat them normally you simply dont have the capacity to do so. Plus this might influence non-covid patients too. Back to the idea of healthcare systems getting overwhelmed.

CFR ahould still be a lot lower because more young people and you test more widespread on average wheras previously it was skewed to more vurnerable groups. That and hospitals have overall getting better at treating people.

On July 08 2020 16:29 Wegandi wrote:


The lockdown was way worse for non-covid patients seeing as elective surgeries were cancelled and the fear and hysteria made many people stay home even when hospital services were warranted.

By the way, I'm curious why EU testing is so poopy? (I.e. low per capita testing rates)

On July 08 2020 17:49 Geisterkarle wrote:

I asked somewhere, how the US is testing.
Can anyone get tested? Because at least here in Germany you basically can't!
Or better: a week ago Bavaria started a program so that anybody can test themselves. But that is only one county, they get backlash from the others and ... well, it started a week ago...
Before that Germany actually was hailed as a country to do a lot of testing!
But I also heard those "funny" stories of people tested positive, and their closest connections were like "Oh, should I get a test too?" and the local health department answered: "Do you have any symptoms? No? Meh, just quarantine yourself for 2 weeks and call us if you get a cough"
... and a day later you could read in the news, that Germany has a much higher capacity of testing, but it isn't used... ohoho, how could that happen!?!?!? ...

On July 08 2020 15:44 Danglars wrote:
I've seen ICU capacity flex to higher numbers in the worst places. Whatever floor capacity isn't designated COVID-ICU is rotated into that use, and other area hospitals help out. It's still possible that current strains do overwhelm capacity in the future, but there's not enough data to show that now. Hospitals are getting better at treating people. Arizona, as an example, has been patient transferring to smoothe loads, and bringing in out of state workers.