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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 16 2020 19:02 GMT
#3281
Isn't the water in water parks so loaded with chlorine that taking a dip in it would basically kill all bacteria and viruses on you skin instantly?
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
May 16 2020 19:50 GMT
#3282
On May 17 2020 04:02 Jek wrote:
Isn't the water in water parks so loaded with chlorine that taking a dip in it would basically kill all bacteria and viruses on you skin instantly?


I'm sure Denmark has that, but we're talking Tennessee.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 16 2020 20:47 GMT
#3283
The water parks I see put so much chlorine in, you wish you were wearing goggles because your eyes hurt. And the smell is overpowering.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
May 16 2020 20:51 GMT
#3284
The water at theme parks is honestly the least of the problems with opening them during a pandemic. You still have shared hand rails while waiting in line, you still have tons of people around you definitely NOT wearing masks. How can they possibly enforce safe behavior from people? That's rhetorical because they can't.

Theme Parks are the DEFINITION of non-essential businesses and they're some of the riskiest places you can go during a pandemic.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
May 16 2020 21:43 GMT
#3285
On May 17 2020 05:47 Danglars wrote:
The water parks I see put so much chlorine in, you wish you were wearing goggles because your eyes hurt. And the smell is overpowering.


The concern at water parks is the transmission through breathing not the water. Also, if you live in California, makes sense you've always seen plenty of chlorine. Not all states provide appropriate regulations.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6215 Posts
May 16 2020 21:52 GMT
#3286
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html

CDC says not much risk from pools etc. The chlorine inactivates the virus quickly enough. The problem is in water parks, the lines for slides etc are problems. There's a limited amount of stairway space, and there's usually a pretty narrow staircase upwards.

Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 16 2020 21:53 GMT
#3287
On May 17 2020 06:43 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2020 05:47 Danglars wrote:
The water parks I see put so much chlorine in, you wish you were wearing goggles because your eyes hurt. And the smell is overpowering.


The concern at water parks is the transmission through breathing not the water. Also, if you live in California, makes sense you've always seen plenty of chlorine. Not all states provide appropriate regulations.

Naturally, but he was talking about the water.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
May 16 2020 22:00 GMT
#3288
You couldn't pay me to go to a waterpark at the moment.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
May 16 2020 23:43 GMT
#3289
Seeing all these pictures of bars and whatnot is amazing. Everywhere is so much more packed than usual. This is just so funny. So much tension being unleashed.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1366 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-17 00:22:15
May 17 2020 00:15 GMT
#3290
Why so many hotspots in meat packaging plants?
Its not only in the usa,there is also hotspots in canada and germany.
There is many suggestions that i have seen,people work close to eachoter,the people who work there have bad living conditions living close to eachoter,the people go there by subway. None of them does make much sense to me because similar arguments can be made for many other workplaces,workers and areas and hygiene is pretty decent in those plants i asume. Yet the only thing that stands out are the meatpackaging plants.
Also suggested was the refrigerated indoors situation but i dont see how that makes much sense either though it does make more sense to me as the other causes because this wouldnt go for other areas and workspots.
I am really curious about the cause,surely it cant be the meat itself? That also wouldnt make much sense based on what we know about the virus.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 17 2020 00:55 GMT
#3291
On May 17 2020 09:15 pmh wrote:
Why so many hotspots in meat packaging plants?
Its not only in the usa,there is also hotspots in canada and germany.
There is many suggestions that i have seen,people work close to eachoter,the people who work there have bad living conditions living close to eachoter,the people go there by subway. None of them does make much sense to me because similar arguments can be made for many other workplaces,workers and areas and hygiene is pretty decent in those plants i asume. Yet the only thing that stands out are the meatpackaging plants.
Also suggested was the refrigerated indoors situation but i dont see how that makes much sense either though it does make more sense to me as the other causes because this wouldnt go for other areas and workspots.
I am really curious about the cause,surely it cant be the meat itself? That also wouldnt make much sense based on what we know about the virus.

The last discussion we had on the matter mentioned that there is lots of fluid in the air at a meat packing plant (ie, blood misting and spraying), which matters a lot for a virus thought to transmit via fluids most strongly.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
May 17 2020 06:34 GMT
#3292
On May 17 2020 08:43 Mohdoo wrote:
Seeing all these pictures of bars and whatnot is amazing. Everywhere is so much more packed than usual. This is just so funny. So much tension being unleashed.


Yea well I hope these people sure think it's worth it. I bartend as a trade and right now being in a packed bar is one of the last places I want to be.

People are gross and take no regard for sanitation on a normal night. A full bar during a pandemic? That's just begging for contamination, not just to the customers but the staff as well.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-17 07:29:44
May 17 2020 07:28 GMT
#3293
On May 17 2020 09:15 pmh wrote:
Why so many hotspots in meat packaging plants?
+ Show Spoiler +
Its not only in the usa,there is also hotspots in canada and germany.
There is many suggestions that i have seen,people work close to eachoter,the people who work there have bad living conditions living close to eachoter,the people go there by subway. None of them does make much sense to me because similar arguments can be made for many other workplaces,workers and areas and hygiene is pretty decent in those plants i asume. Yet the only thing that stands out are the meatpackaging plants.
Also suggested was the refrigerated indoors situation but i dont see how that makes much sense either though it does make more sense to me as the other causes because this wouldnt go for other areas and workspots.
I am really curious about the cause,surely it cant be the meat itself? That also wouldnt make much sense based on what we know about the virus.


It's mostly the packaging lines, where people are standing next to each other shoulder by shoulder for hours. So again mostly droplet infection would be my guess.

I've worked as a clerk in the administration of a meat processing plant and have been in production a couple of times, it's not a nice working environment, as you can imagine. Constant 7°C, everything gets steam cleaned a couple of times each day and large scale cooking.
We had a special filtration system which dehumidified and supposedly killed all germs and viruses in the air, but if someone stands like 5 ft. across from you and coughs in your direction, that should't help much.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria832 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-17 19:15:08
May 17 2020 19:14 GMT
#3294
Italy is doing super well, not many new cases since last time I checked. Also, Russia overtook Spain and Italy like I predicted earlier in this thread.

Link: https://bing.com/covid/
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-17 20:37:25
May 17 2020 19:54 GMT
#3295
That didn’t take long, Oahu just had one thousand tourists arrive over the weekend. Gotta take advantage of those low air fares.
Skol
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria832 Posts
May 17 2020 23:24 GMT
#3296
Do you guys think there would be a second wave in autumn/winter?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-18 07:52:26
May 17 2020 23:34 GMT
#3297
On May 18 2020 08:24 SC-Shield wrote:
Do you guys think there would be a second wave in autumn/winter?


As long as countries/states don't take the necessary precautions like they do in Asian nations (hand sanitizer everywhere/mandatory masks/proper testing).. then yes. Covid is highly transmissible, we can start re-opening safely if we follow the necessary precautions like they do in S. Korea etc.

Will that happen tho? When i see posts like yours talking about masks... it makes it hard to be optimistic. This isn't rocket science, the virus is highly transmissible and it has a high mortality rate. The only way to limit our exposure to it is by limiting non essential activity (mainly large gatherings, i.e: concerts, sporting events, tourism etc.) and by wearing masks/sanitizing well, until a vaccine is available.

If we have a bit of discipline and common sense we'll be fine. Sadly that's easier said than done, especially in the west.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
May 17 2020 23:57 GMT
#3298
On May 18 2020 08:24 SC-Shield wrote:
Do you guys think there would be a second wave in autumn/winter?


The US is absolutely getting a second wave. Maybe not in every state, but the ones that aren't doing any kind of testing or aren't taking any kind of precautions at all. Yea they'll get a second wave alright.

I'm very worried for New York, I don't want to hear about them getting ravaged again.

Los Angeles where I'm from has been spared largely in comparison with New York. I'm concerned for us, since I can fully attest that people are getting very weary of these restrictions. By the time winter rolls around, I'm sure they'll be mostly lifted which will leave us ripe pickings for a second wave.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28092 Posts
May 18 2020 05:37 GMT
#3299
Only 592 cases so far in Saskatchewan so all things considered we must be doing a good job. I believe the other day my city had reported no active cases although that may have changed over the weekend. My problem is that the city is already planning on opening everything up somewhat soon and I'm slightly worried that will just throw away a lot of our progress on everything...
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28706 Posts
May 18 2020 07:24 GMT
#3300
Norway is doing pretty great.. If we look at the 5 week peak-period between March 10th and April 15th, we went from 400 to 6800 cases. April 15th to now, 6800 to 8250, so only 1450 new ones.

Deaths lag ten days behind - but between March 20th and April 25th we went from 7 deaths to 201. From April 25th until May 18th, 201 to 232.

We've been opening up quite a bit the last couple weeks, and the weekend that just passed was the biggest party weekend of the year in Norway. And while people were definitely more reserved than most years, there was definitely a fair amount of partying happening. IF there's still a considerable amount of hidden infections, we should see a spike again a couple weeks from now, but frankly, I think the infected- case might have been so low that we don't see much of a resurgence.
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