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Slydie
1927 Posts
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/ The number of currently infected has gone steadily upwards since may 5th until today, as opposed to every other country I have looked at which had already reached a peak and a decline. There must be some explanation to this, but have not found it yet. The worldometers source page for Iran numers: https://en.irna.ir/news/83791917/Official-Some-69-more-Iranians-die-from-coronavirus-over-the | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
On May 19 2020 17:55 Slydie wrote: After some looking around, I finally found a potential 2nd wave of the virus in Iran: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/ The number of currently infected has gone steadily upwards since may 5th until today, as opposed to every other country I have looked at which had already reached a peak and a decline. There must be some explanation to this, but have not found it yet. The worldometers source page for Iran numers: https://en.irna.ir/news/83791917/Official-Some-69-more-Iranians-die-from-coronavirus-over-the Deaths seem to be stable. It could be lag, or maybe they've improved or opened up testing requirements? It's often hard to tell much from the number of infections alone due to changing testing dynamics. Unrelated but upon searching on google for iran second wave, one of the first results reports a second wave of.... a desert locust invasion: https://en.radiofarda.com/a/a-second-wave-of-locust-invasion-hits-iran-hard/30616778.html The first wave was reported on March 4th: https://en.radiofarda.com/a/massive-swarms-of-desert-locusts-invade-iran-s-southern-provinces/30468044.html Coincidence? I think not. | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
Deaths seem to be stable. It could be lag, or maybe they've improved or opened up testing requirements? The increase did not seem that dramatic, and it takes weeks up to months to die from Covid. The number of patients in hospitals is a better way to check how critical the situation is. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18112 Posts
On May 19 2020 17:55 Slydie wrote: After some looking around, I finally found a potential 2nd wave of the virus in Iran: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/ The number of currently infected has gone steadily upwards since may 5th until today, as opposed to every other country I have looked at which had already reached a peak and a decline. There must be some explanation to this, but have not found it yet. The worldometers source page for Iran numers: https://en.irna.ir/news/83791917/Official-Some-69-more-Iranians-die-from-coronavirus-over-the Why would you trust what the Iranians say about their numbers? It is a vast, mostly underdeveloped country with a totalitarian government with bad diplomatic relations with almost everybody else. Meaning their numbers are wrong because of the difficulty of getting the right numbers AND because the government has a reason to hide the truth. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
On May 19 2020 22:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote: There is utterly no reason for Iran to inflate their own numbers to have worse outcomes than anybody else. Despite the sanctions, Iran still has a modern healthcare service and is fairly industrialised. Iran reported increased deaths even before northern Italy and now they are reporting what may be a second wave. Why would Iran want to hide the truth and make out that they are dealing with coronavirus worse than they really are? I'd say one of the suspicious signs is how smooth their curve is compared to every other country. Every country has a lot of noise, whether it's from a difficulty in getting all the results from all the regions in at the same time or from localized surges in infections in some days. Iran's day-to-day numbers never vary much. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18112 Posts
On May 19 2020 22:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote: There is utterly no reason for Iran to inflate their own numbers to have worse outcomes than anybody else. Despite the sanctions, Iran still has a modern healthcare service and is fairly industrialised. Iran reported increased deaths even before northern Italy and now they are reporting what may be a second wave. Why would Iran want to hide the truth and make out that they are dealing with coronavirus worse than they really are? I was more referring to the idea that their numbers looked under control quite a lot earlier than Italy. If the early drop in the curve is a lie, then any "second wave" talk could just as well be the Iranian government finally reporting somewhat real numbers. Or maybe they have incorporated numbers from some rural regions. Or whatever. There is 0 transparency. | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/world/middleeast/iran-coronavirus-surge.html | ||
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pmh
1366 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 20 2020 07:37 pmh wrote: Smoothing out the curve is done in many countries it seems. The numbers here still have cases and deaths dating 3 weeks back and more. It makes sense that reporting is slow at the start and at the height of the peak but now already 8 weeks in with numbers steadily and very smoothly dropping for over 3-4 weeks there is still a backlog and reports from weeks ago. The numbers are a mess in almost every country,they give a rough indication but nothing more,you need see numbers from several weeks before you can say there is a trend. Numbers from day to day or even for 1 week are kinda meaningless. Where is "here" for you? | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
On May 20 2020 07:37 pmh wrote: Smoothing out the curve is done in many countries it seems. The numbers here still have cases and deaths dating 3 weeks back and more. It makes sense that reporting is slow at the start and at the height of the peak but now already 8 weeks in with numbers steadily and very smoothly dropping for over 3-4 weeks there is still a backlog and reports from weeks ago. The numbers are a mess in almost every country,they give a rough indication but nothing more,you need see numbers from several weeks before you can say there is a trend. Numbers from day to day or even for 1 week are kinda meaningless. Sure, and there are tonnes of examples of reports clumping up on one day. For Iran, though, the increase has been a steady trend for several weeks now. I am curious if it will is be still a manageable situation for them. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria832 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On May 21 2020 08:19 Mohdoo wrote: Mcdonald's opening their "dining rooms" is mind boggling. Any business that has drive through has NO business opening the main dining areas until we are way safer than currently. So stupid. It's no different than a hundred people being in a supermarket, handling stuff then putting it back on the shelves, waiting in line etc. Here, they cut the number of trains running so people still using them had to cram in more.The same happened in NYC yes? There is no social distancing when they've cut public transport services 85% but social distancing will be adhered to in McDonald's, closing every second table etc. | ||
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Yurie
11927 Posts
On May 21 2020 19:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: It's no different than a hundred people being in a supermarket, handling stuff then putting it back on the shelves, waiting in line etc. Here, they cut the number of trains running so people still using them had to cram in more.The same happened in NYC yes? There is no social distancing when they've cut public transport services 85% but social distancing will be adhered to in McDonald's, closing every second table etc. Same thing with public transport happened here. They had trouble getting enough personnel and amount of travellers massively decreased so they cut amount of buses and trains. Was a big discussion about what the right level was to stop overcrowding. (That I didn't pay attention to since I am not using it and thus don't know the result of.) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45022 Posts
On May 21 2020 19:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: It's no different than a hundred people being in a supermarket, handling stuff then putting it back on the shelves, waiting in line etc. Here, they cut the number of trains running so people still using them had to cram in more.The same happened in NYC yes? There is no social distancing when they've cut public transport services 85% but social distancing will be adhered to in McDonald's, closing every second table etc. McDonald's has been allowing for drive-through alternatives though, which is significantly safer than allowing a stream of strangers to actually enter and sit inside the restaurant. It seems like any restaurant that reopens their dining area without the proper precautions is taking an unnecessary risk, especially when there's a viable (drive-through) alternative, like in the fast food industry. On the other hand, shopping at a supermarket is quite different... there are no drive-through options, and food shopping takes much, much longer than buying fast food (so it wouldn't make sense to ask employees to select all the items inside the store for a customer, i.e., do the food shopping for the customer). | ||
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Yurie
11927 Posts
On May 21 2020 20:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: McDonald's has been allowing for drive-through alternatives though, which is significantly safer than allowing a stream of strangers to actually enter and sit inside the restaurant. It seems like any restaurant that reopens their dining area without the proper precautions is taking an unnecessary risk, especially when there's a viable (drive-through) alternative, like in the fast food industry. On the other hand, shopping at a supermarket is quite different... there are no drive-through options, and food shopping takes much, much longer than buying fast food (so it wouldn't make sense to ask employees to select all the items inside the store for a customer, i.e., do the food shopping for the customer). Isn't home food delivery a common service you can buy? I am even within walking distance of a store that picks goods for you if you pay a smallish fee and you pick it up at the entrance. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18112 Posts
On May 21 2020 20:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: McDonald's has been allowing for drive-through alternatives though, which is significantly safer than allowing a stream of strangers to actually enter and sit inside the restaurant. It seems like any restaurant that reopens their dining area without the proper precautions is taking an unnecessary risk, especially when there's a viable (drive-through) alternative, like in the fast food industry. On the other hand, shopping at a supermarket is quite different... there are no drive-through options, and food shopping takes much, much longer than buying fast food (so it wouldn't make sense to ask employees to select all the items inside the store for a customer, i.e., do the food shopping for the customer). Actually, online orders and delivery for supermarkets has skyrocketed here in Barcelona (maybe Spain in general). I live 30 meters away from a large supermarket, so it doesn't make much sense for me, but when I went there during the lockdown, the supermarket was full of employees picking orders off a list. In fact, there were *far* more employees walking around than customers. Lately people are feeling less scared and going out into the street, so there are more customers in the shop, but there's still a lot of employees working off online orders. This service isn't new, btw. The supermarket has provided that service for a few years now. But most people preferred to just go to the shop rather than plan their shopping online and then deliver at a specific time. That said, I fully agree that it is far far easier for McDonalds to offer an alternative. A lot of restaurants here in the city have opened again, but only for delivery or take away. Next week, we hope the terraces will be allowed to open so you can maybe sit down and have a beer and a nibble (it's allowed now in most of Spain), but for now just take-away. Even restaurants that never worked like that are now doing it, out of necessity. MacDonalds was already set up very well for that type of market, and it's extremely weird that they are the ones to be protesting and opening their dining area again. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45022 Posts
On May 21 2020 20:15 Yurie wrote: Isn't home food delivery a common service you can buy? I am even within walking distance of a store that picks goods for you if you pay a smallish fee and you pick it up at the entrance. For some larger chain supermarkets, yes, although there is considerable variation on how additionally expensive it is, how reliable they are, how limited the menu of products you can have delivered is, whether there are any locations near enough to your house to even offer this option, etc. If it's a viable alternative for a household, I would definitely recommend choosing it over going food shopping in public. Edit for Acrofales: That's awesome  I was thinking more in terms of varying areas in the United States. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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