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On May 22 2020 22:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm seeing people jump at the opportunity to go get their hair cut. lmao.
Dudes, you can buzz it. Don't be insecure. Your appearance does not mean to other people what you think it does.
Still looks decentish if you take a scissor to it yourself, not like you need to go full buzz if you don't want to.
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On May 23 2020 00:44 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2020 22:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm seeing people jump at the opportunity to go get their hair cut. lmao.
Dudes, you can buzz it. Don't be insecure. Your appearance does not mean to other people what you think it does. Still looks decentish if you take a scissor to it yourself, not like you need to go full buzz if you don't want to.
Probably easier for people with shorter or less dense hair than me. I had quite a bit of hair and I think buzz was the only way to go. In terms of % chance of a good result, I think buzz is the best option. Regardless, going to a barber right now is very silly.
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I'd rather take advice from a scientist or doctor without ties to IT billionaires and conflicts of interest. Creating a world monopoly on an operating system doesn't entitle you to lead a global response to diseases.
That said, I had to upload a voiced presentation of two papers which were related. One from the WHO, one from Fauci from the pre-covid-era regarding the response to emerging infectious diseases. Gates foundation was mentioned in the WHO paper and how they push for a 'one-health'-approach with global standards and centralised food production for better animal disease control. Which seemed odd to me considering that amassing livestock is a recipe for quick spread.
They also promote that biohazard level 3 labs should exist in every country to facilitate research.
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On May 23 2020 04:44 Vivax wrote:I'd rather take advice from a scientist or doctor without ties to IT billionaires and conflicts of interest. Creating a world monopoly on an operating system doesn't entitle you to lead a global response to diseases.
He should be judged on the content of his writing and what he rallies as evidence and sources to support it. In this case, considerable basic information and some pledges on where he’s directing his capital. If you have gripes, state them, and not just your paranoia about billionaire philanthropists.
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On May 23 2020 04:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2020 04:44 Vivax wrote:I'd rather take advice from a scientist or doctor without ties to IT billionaires and conflicts of interest. Creating a world monopoly on an operating system doesn't entitle you to lead a global response to diseases. He should be judged on the content of his writing and what he rallies as evidence and sources to support it. In this case, considerable basic information and some pledges on where he’s directing his capital. If you have gripes, state them, and not just your paranoia about billionaire philanthropists.
I gave it a read. It's quite generic, and frankly nothing new. I'd summarize it as 'we have to do stuff'. Sadly there are no panaceas in medicine. Monoclonal antibodies are more or less the latest innovation, and there's hope that RNA-based-vaccines are the next thing. First don't harm seems to be a word of the past with all the vaccine hysteria I see being pushed.
Well researched vaccines for the likes of measles are fine, but I'm not touching anything that starts tampering with genetic information.
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On May 22 2020 20:53 LegalLord wrote:
Lowered infections are probably mostly a “people are staying put” thing. Few people are going to travel or frequently go to restaurants when there’s a very real risk that they will get a respiratory infection and die.
I don't think it is that simple. Every country and most of the population is taking this very seriously, and effective measures are in place or have been used, including some over-the-top ones. The contries who locked down are opening up slowly (afaik except Slovenia.)
Things are slowly getting back to normal here, especially after a big random antibody test showing that the virus barely got around in my region. The authorothies try to urge people to stay careful, but if there is next to no virus around and more freedoms are given, it is getting increasingly more difficult. There are also some nasty inconsistancies:
-Restaurants will open on Monday with limitations. The virus is known to spread in that setting, but the unemployment of the sector is can't be ignored.
-Face masks are recommended outside in public. Virus practically never spreads outside, except in large static groups or freak situations like someone spitting at eachoteher or talking loudly at a very close distance for a long time.
-Schools are still closed, which is now proved to be innefecive to stop the virus and not dangerous by the experiences of other countries.
This is what happens when dealing with this is left to politicians who fight for survival in an extremely divided and polarized country. It is also because of the fear from what happened in Madrid (40k in hospital!) and 6 weeks of hardcore lockdown.
A nice read about what we know and don't know about the virus:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/20/opinion/us-coronavirus-reopening.html?smid=tw-share&fbclid=IwAR3RSk7tiHWVQx3pMdcOA0XHUNrL7liXmn7-QmhuUgqWNkVbOnN9AeaWr1Y
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Bill Gates doesn’t present his own ideas, he uses his money and visibility to put forward the ideas of independent scientific experts. That’s why he was saying a Coronavirus jumping from bats was likely years before it happened. It’s not, as the conspiracy theorists suggest, that he was behind it, it’s because he’s rich enough to pay a lot of very smart people to tell him what will happen before it happens.
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On May 23 2020 06:11 KwarK wrote:
Bill Gates doesn’t present his own ideas, he uses his money and visibility to put forward the ideas of independent scientific experts. That’s why he was saying a Coronavirus jumping from bats was likely years before it happened. It’s not, as the conspiracy theorists suggest, that he was behind it, it’s because he’s rich enough to pay a lot of very smart people to tell him what will happen before it happens.
He did find his way into the Journal of respiratory (edit:infectious) diseases. Nothing to do with conspiracy theories, just the mention he's active in shaping global disease prevention policy. Here's a quote.
+ Show Spoiler +Global organisations formally endorsing the onehealth
approach include WHO, Food and Agriculture
Organization (FAO) of the UN, World Organization for
Animal Health (OIE), UN System Infl uenza
Coordination (UNSIC), and the World Bank.
Additionally, the European Commission and the US
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the
US Agency for International Development, the Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation, and the Wellcome Trust
now support a wide range of research-related eff orts in
the one-health arena. from Emerging infectious diseases and pandemic potential: status quo and reducing risk of global spread Lancet Infect DIs 2014; 14: 1001–10
It's just kinda...untrustworthy. Foundations are a way to evade taxes. When you use the money to fund scientific projects, you take away some of their independence. Greed has often proven to be deadly in the pharmaceutics industry (Contergan, Lipobay-scandals)
Vaccination conspiracy theories aside, it's just not ethical to use experimental treatments en masse as an emergency measure for a virus with tops 1% CFR. (But that's an issue aside from gates shaping international health policies)
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Hawaii has best case results(one of the best) in the US but we got hit the hardest economically. One-third of the working force is directly related to tourism, not counting non-essentials such as bars/restaurants etc. m
Not gonna be long when we’re gonna start questioning if we took too drastic measures or not. State of Hawaii is gonna be a good example. Also us being the highest cost (one of the highest?) of living state in the US, it just amplifies how bad it’s gonna be for a lot of residents.
Also only three months left till evictions can start happening legally. It’s gonna be a real shit show.
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On May 23 2020 07:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2020 06:11 KwarK wrote:
Bill Gates doesn’t present his own ideas, he uses his money and visibility to put forward the ideas of independent scientific experts. That’s why he was saying a Coronavirus jumping from bats was likely years before it happened. It’s not, as the conspiracy theorists suggest, that he was behind it, it’s because he’s rich enough to pay a lot of very smart people to tell him what will happen before it happens. He did find his way into the Journal of respiratory (edit:infectious) diseases. Nothing to do with conspiracy theories, just the mention he's active in shaping global disease prevention policy. Here's a quote. + Show Spoiler +Global organisations formally endorsing the onehealth
approach include WHO, Food and Agriculture
Organization (FAO) of the UN, World Organization for
Animal Health (OIE), UN System Infl uenza
Coordination (UNSIC), and the World Bank.
Additionally, the European Commission and the US
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the
US Agency for International Development, the Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation, and the Wellcome Trust
now support a wide range of research-related eff orts in
the one-health arena. from Emerging infectious diseases and pandemic potential: status quo and reducing risk of global spread Lancet Infect DIs 2014; 14: 1001–10 It's just kinda...untrustworthy. Foundations are a way to evade taxes. When you use the money to fund scientific projects, you take away some of their independence. Greed has often proven to be deadly in the pharmaceutics industry (Contergan, Lipobay-scandals) Vaccination conspiracy theories aside, it's just not ethical to use experimental treatments en masse as an emergency measure for a virus with tops 1% CFR. (But that's an issue aside from gates shaping international health policies)
You have not substantiated a single piece of your skepticism of Bill Gates yet.
On May 23 2020 11:09 Emnjay808 wrote:
Hawaii has best case results(one of the best) in the US but we got hit the hardest economically. One-third of the working force is directly related to tourism, not counting non-essentials such as bars/restaurants etc. m
Not gonna be long when we’re gonna start questioning if we took too drastic measures or not. State of Hawaii is gonna be a good example. Also us being the highest cost (one of the highest?) of living state in the US, it just amplifies how bad it’s gonna be for a lot of residents.
Also only three months left till evictions can start happening legally. It’s gonna be a real shit show.
I highly doubt evictions will be allowed if the situation is still bad. The governor can just keep pushing it out as long as they need.
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So I know there were a lot of incidents over the past while regarding several dozen infections in businesses that are hard-pressed to actually close - meat plants, post offices, grocery stores, etc. I just found one, from an oil field in Kazakhstan, that I'd say takes the cake:
One of the world’s largest oilfields has been threatened with closure by local health authorities following a surge in coronavirus infections among its workers.
The Tengiz field in Kazakhstan, which produces about 500,000 barrels of oil a day, is being developed by an international consortium headed by Chevron, which said it was taking steps to minimise the spread of the virus and that production had not been affected.
The warning is the first time a major oilfield has been threatened by coronavirus and underscores the danger posed by the pandemic to remote energy projects where thousands of contractors often live and work in cramped conditions before returning home at the end of their shift rotation.
Tengiz faces closure if it fails to control the spread of the virus, Kazakhstan’s chief sanitary doctor warned on Wednesday, and demanded the project adhere to a government-backed plan to curb the outbreak. Close to 950 workers at the field have tested positive, about 13 per cent of the entire Central Asian country’s coronavirus cases.
Source
...yikes.
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On May 23 2020 07:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2020 06:11 KwarK wrote:
Bill Gates doesn’t present his own ideas, he uses his money and visibility to put forward the ideas of independent scientific experts. That’s why he was saying a Coronavirus jumping from bats was likely years before it happened. It’s not, as the conspiracy theorists suggest, that he was behind it, it’s because he’s rich enough to pay a lot of very smart people to tell him what will happen before it happens. He did find his way into the Journal of respiratory (edit:infectious) diseases. Nothing to do with conspiracy theories, just the mention he's active in shaping global disease prevention policy. Here's a quote. + Show Spoiler +Global organisations formally endorsing the onehealth
approach include WHO, Food and Agriculture
Organization (FAO) of the UN, World Organization for
Animal Health (OIE), UN System Infl uenza
Coordination (UNSIC), and the World Bank.
Additionally, the European Commission and the US
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the
US Agency for International Development, the Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation, and the Wellcome Trust
now support a wide range of research-related eff orts in
the one-health arena. from Emerging infectious diseases and pandemic potential: status quo and reducing risk of global spread Lancet Infect DIs 2014; 14: 1001–10 It's just kinda...untrustworthy. Foundations are a way to evade taxes. When you use the money to fund scientific projects, you take away some of their independence. Greed has often proven to be deadly in the pharmaceutics industry (Contergan, Lipobay-scandals) Vaccination conspiracy theories aside, it's just not ethical to use experimental treatments en masse as an emergency measure for a virus with tops 1% CFR. (But that's an issue aside from gates shaping international health policies)
Perhaps you mean IFR? Because for many countries CFR has been considerably higher.
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Anyone that's newly (since covid-19) working from home find they (or their colleagues) are unable to maintain their at-work level outputs (to the degree they are required)?
Personally I've been in part wfh for a while and find more noise from neighbors and such distracting lately.
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You have not substantiated a single piece of your skepticism of Bill Gates yet.
He advocates for increased government spending and the acceleration of vaccine development to fight it.
Given that vaccines against that virus family are something not yet developed, it should be a cautious approach. And I don't see guarantees that Gates or others with ties to him are not going to just exploit it for their own profit.
I don't trust him enough to not have vested interests to kickstart a new generation of pharmaceuticals that didn't see widespread use already for a probably good reason.
And microsoft edge still sucks but he wants to optimize healthcare now.
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That's also the gist that I got from this epidemiologist's blog post:
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
Basically, there's a higher risk for indoor activities that involve a lot of breathing and talking for an extended duration in close, poorly ventilated proximity around people doing the same thing, such as at restaurants, bars, some workplaces, public transportation, and other indoor gatherings. Outside activities are less risky due to better ventilation and more flexibility for social distancing. Grocery and some retail shopping is also less risky in larger, well-ventilated buildings where you'd mostly be quickly passing by other shoppers, ideally with everyone following PPE and social distancing rules.
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