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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
February 16 2020 01:14 GMT
#241
On February 15 2020 23:30 CorsairHero wrote:
as a long term global investor, couldn't care less


same
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4428 Posts
February 16 2020 10:14 GMT
#242
Has Foxconn re-opened their factories in China? Seems odd that Apple share price has risen the past week despite iphone production grinding to a standstill due to the coronavirus in China.

Reports from six days ago says their biggest iphone plant is closed and a smaller plant is 'barely open', anyone with more recent news?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
February 16 2020 13:12 GMT
#243
On February 16 2020 19:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Has Foxconn re-opened their factories in China? Seems odd that Apple share price has risen the past week despite iphone production grinding to a standstill due to the coronavirus in China.

Reports from six days ago says their biggest iphone plant is closed and a smaller plant is 'barely open', anyone with more recent news?




Share price is disconnected from facts in a bubble.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 16 2020 17:54 GMT
#244
I keep hearing that the asian markets are being artificially held up, and something has got to give eventually. Unfortunately that makes sense to me.

Be smart with your choices if you have a lot of money in the market right now. Thinking long term may not work in certain sectors, world events are likely occurring that may bankrupt many eastern companies and hurt some western ones for a long time.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 21:42:50
February 16 2020 21:37 GMT
#245
On February 17 2020 02:54 travis wrote:
I keep hearing that the asian markets are being artificially held up, and something has got to give eventually. Unfortunately that makes sense to me.

Be smart with your choices if you have a lot of money in the market right now. Thinking long term may not work in certain sectors, world events are likely occurring that may bankrupt many eastern companies and hurt some western ones for a long time.

That's bad investment advice for the vast majority of people trying to build wealth. How much are you supposed to have in industrials? 11.2%? Tech? 24.234%? Brexit, ebola and even this is just noise. Own all the sectors and that bad companies leave the index and new companies emerge.

What is "being smart" for a retail investor? watching CNBC? motley fool? reading news? What makes you think the market hasn't priced in all that information?
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 23:34:42
February 16 2020 22:57 GMT
#246
Markets mostly go up, with very low risk of long term crash. I am saying that the risk of crash is much higher, so if someone is investing on the premise that "if I stick with this reliable company, i will eventually make money", then they may unknowingly be taking a bigger risk than they would be if the state of the world was more stable.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-17 01:42:52
February 17 2020 01:42 GMT
#247
That risk is mitigated by diversification and reducing volatility with fixed income like government bonds.
© Current year.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-17 12:16:59
February 17 2020 12:04 GMT
#248
I'm afraid that this time the stock market won't necessarily reflect the economic consequences of what is happening.

What happens when you throw money at people who stop working?

Not even at people, just the percentage that owns the majority of stocks.

Either way I think China will provide the example of what might happen to the other economies.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
February 18 2020 02:34 GMT
#249
By the way anyone trade bitcoin ?

It has been giving godly moves in 2020 so far
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4428 Posts
February 18 2020 04:09 GMT
#250
On February 18 2020 11:34 BerserkSword wrote:
By the way anyone trade bitcoin ?

It has been giving godly moves in 2020 so far

I don't trade it but I hold a small amount, $2500 worth or so.

It'll keep moving up if the coronavirus keeps spreading.Govts gonna try pump money into the economy to make up for reduction in demand and economic activity due to the virus.We could be close to the endgame now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-18 08:20:56
February 18 2020 07:23 GMT
#251
Apple -7% pre-market. Textbook blow-off top.

Good luck everyone.

Looks like it stopped at that. So far so good
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
February 18 2020 12:42 GMT
#252
On February 18 2020 13:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2020 11:34 BerserkSword wrote:
By the way anyone trade bitcoin ?

It has been giving godly moves in 2020 so far

I don't trade it but I hold a small amount, $2500 worth or so.

It'll keep moving up if the coronavirus keeps spreading.Govts gonna try pump money into the economy to make up for reduction in demand and economic activity due to the virus.We could be close to the endgame now.


Nice. I have a long term stack as well. Going to sell it all when it hits 100k per btc

Otherwise, I like trading it as well. The volatility is great and it trends hard
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
February 18 2020 14:08 GMT
#253
Got myself a physical BTC adress. Not trading it on exchanges, just buy and hodl.

Undusted the margin account to go short EURUSD. It's a breeze of a trade so far.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
February 19 2020 10:17 GMT
#254
TSLA mooning pre market

this is why I don't knife catch assets like TSLA lol despite what technical confluences i might have.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
February 19 2020 16:47 GMT
#255
tsla puts. Only risking 1% of account tho
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 18:05:40
February 19 2020 18:02 GMT
#256
Short EURUSD and long USDJPY, gold, silver, palladium.

What's cracking up is the nasdaq from international currency devaluation rushing to buy usd denominated assets.

Good luck with the tesla puts though.

Money won't fill the shelves when (or if) the quarantines start hitting Japan and Europe.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
February 19 2020 18:40 GMT
#257
Punted some April bynd calls to
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 19 2020 20:11 GMT
#258
Warren Buffett puts 25 million into S&P 500 etfs
Legendary investor Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. just gave its blessing to the US$4.6 trillion exchange-traded fund market -- at least in one of its pension plans.

Berkshire added to the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF, ticker VOO, and SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust, known as SPY, in the final quarter of 2019, according to a regulatory filing. The relatively small investments, which totaled US$25 million across both funds, are Berkshire’s only publicly disclosed ETF holdings in its most recent quarterly 13F filing. The investments are in a pension plan, according to Buffett’s assistant, Debbie Bosanek.

Buffett, whose Berkshire holds a record US$128 billion in cash and U.S. Treasury bills, has been questioned before about why he didn’t put the firm’s unused cash into an index fund. The 89-year-old investor said last year at his annual shareholder meeting that he thinks Berkshire should have some cash available to quickly deploy if the chance to strike a big acquisition arises, even though he’d rather own an index fund than U.S. Treasury bills. He argued back in 2007 that he thought Berkshire’s stock picks could do better than the S&P 500 Index. Berkshire’s set to release its annual letter to shareholders on Saturday.

The fourth-quarter addition is arguably the “ultimate endorsement” for ETFs and their different usages, according to Bloomberg Intelligence’s Eric Balchunas. Large institutions will often park money in ETFs to keep exposure to the market while minimizing cash drag in their portfolios, he said -- which is likely what Berkshire has started to do with its record cash pile.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/berkshire-wades-into-etf-market-with-two-newly-disclosed-bets-1.1392009
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
February 20 2020 08:10 GMT
#259
On February 20 2020 05:11 CorsairHero wrote:
Warren Buffett puts 25 million into S&P 500 etfs
Show nested quote +
Legendary investor Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. just gave its blessing to the US$4.6 trillion exchange-traded fund market -- at least in one of its pension plans.

Berkshire added to the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF, ticker VOO, and SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust, known as SPY, in the final quarter of 2019, according to a regulatory filing. The relatively small investments, which totaled US$25 million across both funds, are Berkshire’s only publicly disclosed ETF holdings in its most recent quarterly 13F filing. The investments are in a pension plan, according to Buffett’s assistant, Debbie Bosanek.

Buffett, whose Berkshire holds a record US$128 billion in cash and U.S. Treasury bills, has been questioned before about why he didn’t put the firm’s unused cash into an index fund. The 89-year-old investor said last year at his annual shareholder meeting that he thinks Berkshire should have some cash available to quickly deploy if the chance to strike a big acquisition arises, even though he’d rather own an index fund than U.S. Treasury bills. He argued back in 2007 that he thought Berkshire’s stock picks could do better than the S&P 500 Index. Berkshire’s set to release its annual letter to shareholders on Saturday.

The fourth-quarter addition is arguably the “ultimate endorsement” for ETFs and their different usages, according to Bloomberg Intelligence’s Eric Balchunas. Large institutions will often park money in ETFs to keep exposure to the market while minimizing cash drag in their portfolios, he said -- which is likely what Berkshire has started to do with its record cash pile.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/berkshire-wades-into-etf-market-with-two-newly-disclosed-bets-1.1392009


That's probably what he pays for a few dinners. He might've been asked to set an example. 25 million is laughable compared to what he manages.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
February 20 2020 09:19 GMT
#260
I have gotten into dabbling in the stockmarket the past year, smalltime money since its basically me managing my savings with the goal of simply increasing my savings long term. Probably 10 years+, I don't see me taking money out unless we decide we want to buy a house in the faraway future.

Seeing as I started out as a total novice a year ago I've been reading up on the subject bit by bit and there is something I just don't get, mostly about the american stockmarket. Maybe its because I cant help comparing it to my local Swedish stockmarket but it seems crazily bloated to me.

I invested a small amount of money into AMD (Advanced Micro devices inc.) like 10 months ago or so, mostly because I like the company and I saw it as an experiment investing in NASDAQ. The stock grew in value like 50% and I just can't see the logical reason anyone would value the company that highly.

I mean they haven't payed out dividends at all, from what I understand the reason stocks have value is because they pay out dividends or because the company has a high potential to pay out high dividends in the future. AMD historically hasn't payed out dividends, even though the company is huge. Logically since the companys success is driven by the speed at which they can advance their technology the company will not reach a state were they are "done" investing most of their money into further research. Either they keep reinvesting their earnings or Intel will overtake them and their company will decline. Isn't this a prime example of a company were the stock should valued low compared to their overall earnings since that money isn't being poured into the stockowners pockets anyway? No dividend payout, low liklihood of high payouts in the future and yet valued very highly on the stockmarket, why?

If the markets stop their ever Rising climb to the skies and above what value does owning a share really give you? Only the dividend nothing more
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