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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
February 14 2020 18:15 GMT
#221
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
Show nested quote +
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 18:26:15
February 14 2020 18:19 GMT
#222
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Microsoft has roughly 7,600,000,000 shares outstanding, each of which is worth about $184.
Telsa has roughly 180,000,000 shares outstanding, each of which is worth about $798. Your conclusion from this is that Telsa is bigger because you're not sure what exactly a share is. Microsoft is valued at about 10x Tesla after adjusting for outstanding shares.

If Tesla was actually valued at more than Apple and Microsoft put together then it would be extremely overvalued. But a Tesla share gets you 1/180,000,000 of Tesla whereas a Microsoft share gets you 1/7,600,000,000 of Microsoft. In terms of % of ownership of the company a Tesla share is like buying 42 Microsoft shares.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
February 14 2020 18:25 GMT
#223
On February 15 2020 03:19 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.


Yeah the 0 and 00 are there too. I'm not being too technical here.
Forgive me if I don't want to split hairs with you about this stuff. I know you are more knowledgeable about economics.
I'd like to remain with a time will tell.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
February 14 2020 18:27 GMT
#224
What exactly is your strategy for skewing the odds in Roulette in your favour through "being good"?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
February 14 2020 18:30 GMT
#225
On February 15 2020 03:27 KwarK wrote:
What exactly is your strategy for skewing the odds in Roulette in your favour through "being good"?


I don't play roulette, just poker and this insanity of a market.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
February 14 2020 18:30 GMT
#226
On February 15 2020 03:25 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:19 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.


Yeah the 0 and 00 are there too. I'm not being too technical here.
Forgive me if I don't want to split hairs with you about this stuff. I know you are more knowledgeable about economics.
I'd like to remain with a time will tell.

It's not about splitting hairs, it's that you're very openly unfamiliar with what a share is and yet still giving your opinions on them.

This is like if you were going into an animal welfare topic and kept confusing birds with fish but didn't really think it was an important distinction. That's the level of ignorance we're talking here, it's like if you were saying that you think the key to keeping healthy fish as pets is a big cage and plenty of seed.

You don't know enough about this to know how silly you sound but imagine if instead of shares it was that. That's what you're doing here.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 18:42:10
February 14 2020 18:38 GMT
#227
On February 15 2020 03:30 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:19 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.


Yeah the 0 and 00 are there too. I'm not being too technical here.
Forgive me if I don't want to split hairs with you about this stuff. I know you are more knowledgeable about economics.
I'd like to remain with a time will tell.

It's not about splitting hairs, it's that you're very openly unfamiliar with what a share is and yet still giving your opinions on them.

This is like if you were going into an animal welfare topic and kept confusing birds with fish but didn't really think it was an important distinction. That's the level of ignorance we're talking here, it's like if you were saying that you think the key to keeping healthy fish as pets is a big cage and plenty of seed.

You don't know enough about this to know how silly you sound but imagine if instead of shares it was that. That's what you're doing here.


I'm not a broker or a market maker. When you trade, price is the only thing that matters. You can trade successfully while not having any idea of how the proceedings actually work .Market capitalization aka price x number of shares is what you're talking about. But is that relevant to making a bet that the price will go down when I think it is too high for Tesla and purely based on a squeeze? Trading is all betting, doesn't require me to have an economics degree.

Help me understand your motivation behind this lecturing please?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 18:45:39
February 14 2020 18:44 GMT
#228
On February 15 2020 03:38 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:30 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:19 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.


Yeah the 0 and 00 are there too. I'm not being too technical here.
Forgive me if I don't want to split hairs with you about this stuff. I know you are more knowledgeable about economics.
I'd like to remain with a time will tell.

It's not about splitting hairs, it's that you're very openly unfamiliar with what a share is and yet still giving your opinions on them.

This is like if you were going into an animal welfare topic and kept confusing birds with fish but didn't really think it was an important distinction. That's the level of ignorance we're talking here, it's like if you were saying that you think the key to keeping healthy fish as pets is a big cage and plenty of seed.

You don't know enough about this to know how silly you sound but imagine if instead of shares it was that. That's what you're doing here.


I'm not a broker or a market maker. When you trade, price is the only thing that matters. You can trade successfully while not having any idea of how the proceedings actually work .Market capitalization aka price x number of shares is what you're talking about. But is that relevant to making a bet that the price will go down? Trading is all betting, doesn't require me to have an economics degree.

Help me understand your motivation behind this lecturing please?

Price is not the only thing that matters. Your argument was that the price of a share of Tesla is more expensive than the equivalent of 42 shares of Microsoft and therefore Tesla is more expensive than Microsoft and overpriced. You might as well say a box of 10 cookies costs 20% more than a box of 5 cookies and therefore a correction to price parity is long overdue and the 10 cookie box should be shorted.

Your ignorance on this topic is absolutely astounding, as is your refusal to acknowledge that valuation of the box of cookies depends on both price and the number of cookies it contains (price per cookie being the relevant metric).
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 18:52:36
February 14 2020 18:49 GMT
#229
On February 15 2020 03:44 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:38 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:30 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:19 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.


Yeah the 0 and 00 are there too. I'm not being too technical here.
Forgive me if I don't want to split hairs with you about this stuff. I know you are more knowledgeable about economics.
I'd like to remain with a time will tell.

It's not about splitting hairs, it's that you're very openly unfamiliar with what a share is and yet still giving your opinions on them.

This is like if you were going into an animal welfare topic and kept confusing birds with fish but didn't really think it was an important distinction. That's the level of ignorance we're talking here, it's like if you were saying that you think the key to keeping healthy fish as pets is a big cage and plenty of seed.

You don't know enough about this to know how silly you sound but imagine if instead of shares it was that. That's what you're doing here.


I'm not a broker or a market maker. When you trade, price is the only thing that matters. You can trade successfully while not having any idea of how the proceedings actually work .Market capitalization aka price x number of shares is what you're talking about. But is that relevant to making a bet that the price will go down? Trading is all betting, doesn't require me to have an economics degree.

Help me understand your motivation behind this lecturing please?

Price is not the only thing that matters. Your argument was that the price of a share of Tesla is more expensive than the equivalent of 42 shares of Microsoft and therefore Tesla is more expensive than Microsoft and overpriced. You might as well say a box of 10 cookies costs 20% more than a box of 5 cookies and therefore a correction to price parity is long overdue and the 10 cookie box should be shorted.

Your ignorance on this topic is absolutely astounding, as is your refusal to acknowledge that valuation of the box of cookies depends on both price and the number of cookies it contains (price per cookie being the relevant metric).


That's an argument that came to my ignorant mind while quickly writing a post. I'm not trying to be academic here, sorry. I can direct you to several sources more savvy than I am, if you explicitly wish.

I don't understand why anyone would get so worked up over my posts when all I'm doing is keeping a log of my current expectations for the few active in this thread.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 14 2020 18:55 GMT
#230
if vivax wants to gamble let him gamble. its like having a sports betting thread where people come in and tell you their opinion based on filtered news reports. people like to do it for some reason
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 19:03:29
February 14 2020 19:02 GMT
#231
On February 15 2020 03:49 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:44 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:38 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:30 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:19 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.


Yeah the 0 and 00 are there too. I'm not being too technical here.
Forgive me if I don't want to split hairs with you about this stuff. I know you are more knowledgeable about economics.
I'd like to remain with a time will tell.

It's not about splitting hairs, it's that you're very openly unfamiliar with what a share is and yet still giving your opinions on them.

This is like if you were going into an animal welfare topic and kept confusing birds with fish but didn't really think it was an important distinction. That's the level of ignorance we're talking here, it's like if you were saying that you think the key to keeping healthy fish as pets is a big cage and plenty of seed.

You don't know enough about this to know how silly you sound but imagine if instead of shares it was that. That's what you're doing here.


I'm not a broker or a market maker. When you trade, price is the only thing that matters. You can trade successfully while not having any idea of how the proceedings actually work .Market capitalization aka price x number of shares is what you're talking about. But is that relevant to making a bet that the price will go down? Trading is all betting, doesn't require me to have an economics degree.

Help me understand your motivation behind this lecturing please?

Price is not the only thing that matters. Your argument was that the price of a share of Tesla is more expensive than the equivalent of 42 shares of Microsoft and therefore Tesla is more expensive than Microsoft and overpriced. You might as well say a box of 10 cookies costs 20% more than a box of 5 cookies and therefore a correction to price parity is long overdue and the 10 cookie box should be shorted.

Your ignorance on this topic is absolutely astounding, as is your refusal to acknowledge that valuation of the box of cookies depends on both price and the number of cookies it contains (price per cookie being the relevant metric).


That's an argument that came to my ignorant mind while quickly writing a post. I'm not trying to be academic here, sorry. I can direct you to several sources more savvy than I am, if you explicitly wish.

I don't understand why anyone would get so worked up over my posts when all I'm doing is keeping a log of my current expectations for the few active in this thread.

Because you don’t care enough to even develop an entry level understanding of the subject and yet keep posting in spite of that carelessness.

It’s weird that you care enough to have opinions but not enough to understand them. Like having a favourite soccer team and talking about how you expect them to win the Super Bowl. Do you not see why you might get a similar response if you kept talking about how the Patriots were clear favourites for the Champions League this year because Kobe died?

If you want to discuss share prices can you at least spend 15 seconds reading about what a share is?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
February 14 2020 19:02 GMT
#232
On February 15 2020 03:55 IgnE wrote:
if vivax wants to gamble let him gamble. its like having a sports betting thread where people come in and tell you their opinion based on filtered news reports. people like to do it for some reason

“It’s not gambling, it’s a game of skill, like roulette”
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 19:08:24
February 14 2020 19:07 GMT
#233
On February 15 2020 04:02 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:55 IgnE wrote:
if vivax wants to gamble let him gamble. its like having a sports betting thread where people come in and tell you their opinion based on filtered news reports. people like to do it for some reason

“It’s not gambling, it’s a game of skill, like roulette”


dont take it literally. you’ll kill the fun

“the pats +3 is totally insane, vegas has it wrong, brady is throwing super well in practice and has a stretching routine”
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 20:40:57
February 14 2020 19:08 GMT
#234
On February 15 2020 04:02 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 03:49 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:44 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:38 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:30 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:19 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:09 KwarK wrote:
Price per share doesn’t mean anything Vivax. Every now and then you make weird comments like that and the one about stock buybacks and it’s suddenly evident in that you’re not understanding the foundational concepts here.

Also what?
It is gambling. But I prefer to view it as a roulette where you can skew the 50/50 odds in your favour if you are good.


I don't think the foundational concepts are that relevant to trading any more. I'll just have my positions tell me if I'm right or wrong.

You're either long or you're short. 50 50 off the bat. That's why I use the roulette analogy.

Any of you guys invested in that stock or?

You're trying to say that Tesla is overvalued because the share price is higher than the Microsoft and Apple share price combined and therefore Tesla is worth more than Microsoft and Apple combined but a share of Tesla gives you a different percentage of ownership of Telsa than a share of Microsoft does Microsoft. You're outing yourself as unfamiliar with what a share is. The foundational stuff like knowing what a share is is pretty relevant. Your analysis of "Telsa is overvalued because 1/x Telsa > 1/y Microsoft" is pretty lacking when you don't know that x <> y.

Also roulette isn't a game of skill, nobody anywhere is good at roulette.
It's also not 50/50.


Yeah the 0 and 00 are there too. I'm not being too technical here.
Forgive me if I don't want to split hairs with you about this stuff. I know you are more knowledgeable about economics.
I'd like to remain with a time will tell.

It's not about splitting hairs, it's that you're very openly unfamiliar with what a share is and yet still giving your opinions on them.

This is like if you were going into an animal welfare topic and kept confusing birds with fish but didn't really think it was an important distinction. That's the level of ignorance we're talking here, it's like if you were saying that you think the key to keeping healthy fish as pets is a big cage and plenty of seed.

You don't know enough about this to know how silly you sound but imagine if instead of shares it was that. That's what you're doing here.


I'm not a broker or a market maker. When you trade, price is the only thing that matters. You can trade successfully while not having any idea of how the proceedings actually work .Market capitalization aka price x number of shares is what you're talking about. But is that relevant to making a bet that the price will go down? Trading is all betting, doesn't require me to have an economics degree.

Help me understand your motivation behind this lecturing please?

Price is not the only thing that matters. Your argument was that the price of a share of Tesla is more expensive than the equivalent of 42 shares of Microsoft and therefore Tesla is more expensive than Microsoft and overpriced. You might as well say a box of 10 cookies costs 20% more than a box of 5 cookies and therefore a correction to price parity is long overdue and the 10 cookie box should be shorted.

Your ignorance on this topic is absolutely astounding, as is your refusal to acknowledge that valuation of the box of cookies depends on both price and the number of cookies it contains (price per cookie being the relevant metric).


That's an argument that came to my ignorant mind while quickly writing a post. I'm not trying to be academic here, sorry. I can direct you to several sources more savvy than I am, if you explicitly wish.

I don't understand why anyone would get so worked up over my posts when all I'm doing is keeping a log of my current expectations for the few active in this thread.

Because you don’t care enough to even develop an entry level understanding of the subject and yet keep posting in spite of that carelessness.

It’s weird that you care enough to have opinions but not enough to understand them. Like having a favourite soccer team and talking about how you expect them to win the Super Bowl. Do you not see why you might get a similar response if you kept talking about how the Patriots were clear favourites for the Champions League this year because Kobe died?

If you want to discuss share prices can you at least spend 15 seconds reading about what a share is?


It's my hobby, not my job. What's wrong with talking passionately about a field while not necessarily having a deep understanding of it?

Latest news rolling in

White House weighs tax incentive for stock investments, CNBC reports

Under one scenario, a household earning up to $200,000 could invest $10,000 on a tax-free basis, although officials noted these numbers are fluid


What's everyone waiting for? Time to rush out and buy stonks by presidential decree /s

Risk on positions over the weekend for me: Small coffee, silver positions. Bunch of TSLA puts and vix calls.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
February 14 2020 19:24 GMT
#235
On February 15 2020 04:07 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 04:02 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2020 03:55 IgnE wrote:
if vivax wants to gamble let him gamble. its like having a sports betting thread where people come in and tell you their opinion based on filtered news reports. people like to do it for some reason

“It’s not gambling, it’s a game of skill, like roulette”


dont take it literally. you’ll kill the fun

“the pats +3 is totally insane, vegas has it wrong, brady is throwing super well in practice and has a stretching routine”

Yeah but I think it’s clear he’s going to underperform in the swimsuit round. It’s not his fault, it’s just his age, but Gandalf is a notoriously tough judge.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-15 08:58:30
February 15 2020 08:51 GMT
#236
Today I closed half my May SPY calls. Locked in profit but I might've been shaken out prematurely as volume poured in end of day suggesting a possible move up to the next fibonacci confluence......lol @ me. SPY futures also has a clean bullish Elliot Wave count.

I also closed most of my USO calls. Gonna let the rest ride to see how USO options' price moves. Wasn't really impressed by my USO profits despite big price movement so that's kind of disappointing.

Building a long DIS position. Bought a bunch of June calls today and will look to add more in any move down to like 136 if it happens.

Here are my thoughts on TSLA since it's being discussed a lot here:

I have my eye on the 861-871 area. Not only is it the obvious gap fill, but also a massive fib confluence. This is where I will LIKELY short. I will not knife catch - I don't knife catch thing's like TSLA. I will assess reaction first. I do think a 200+ drop is in store eventually and will try to catch that short. It is correcting now imo. After it finishes correcting I will go HEAVY into calls and ride this mofo to 1k+

If anyone wants to see my chart lemme know and I will PM it.

not financial advice lol

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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
February 15 2020 11:38 GMT
#237
Interesting chart. What to make of it?

[image loading]
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 15 2020 14:30 GMT
#238
as a long term global investor, couldn't care less
© Current year.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44430 Posts
February 15 2020 15:40 GMT
#239
On February 15 2020 20:38 Vivax wrote:
Interesting chart. What to make of it?

[image loading]

Chart is manufactured correlation. They’re on two different scales and the scales aren’t normalized or starting at zero. The lines wouldn’t be anywhere near each other if they hadn’t adjusted both the starting point and the intervals to make them close to each other.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
February 15 2020 16:08 GMT
#240
On February 16 2020 00:40 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2020 20:38 Vivax wrote:
Interesting chart. What to make of it?

[image loading]

Chart is manufactured correlation. They’re on two different scales and the scales aren’t normalized or starting at zero. The lines wouldn’t be anywhere near each other if they hadn’t adjusted both the starting point and the intervals to make them close to each other.


Seems plausible.
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