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On October 20 2020 06:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Hm is that a recent development? I remember as a tourist we got fleeced through virtue of having to pay dollars instead of pesos, but the actual corruption was non-existent. We tipped after one meal - and then I remember my dad was very conscious to hand over the money in an invisible manner. We even used a private cab and were caught by the police - but their treatment of us was fantastic - they asked to see our passports and ordered us a new official cab. (now, the cab drivers looked to be some of the more massively worried people I've ever seen, no doubt the punishment they were due for was in no way proportional to their crime - I'm just wondering about the corruption and bribes part because that was something I genuinely didn't see, at all. (But - been 15 years since I was there, so I'm not disputing that it happens now.)
I remember some airline executives got caught taking bribes from foreign investors a while back ~2011?
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On October 20 2020 06:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Hm is that a recent development? I remember as a tourist we got fleeced through virtue of having to pay dollars instead of pesos, but the actual corruption was non-existent. We tipped after one meal - and then I remember my dad was very conscious to hand over the money in an invisible manner. We even used a private cab and were caught by the police - but their treatment of us was fantastic - they asked to see our passports and ordered us a new official cab. (now, the cab drivers looked to be some of the more massively worried people I've ever seen, no doubt the punishment they were due for was in no way proportional to their crime - I'm just wondering about the corruption and bribes part because that was something I genuinely didn't see, at all. (But - been 15 years since I was there, so I'm not disputing that it happens now.)
If you don't understand spanish, or remotely look hispanic, they don't bother. But if they assume you do, it's pretty bad. I went three times last year, 2/3 I was bribed, and I'm mainly talking about government officials. The people themselves are amazing, and love tourists.
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Gratz!!! Huge victory that was incredibly hard fought. Amazing work!
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Good luck. Sounds like you're headed down from where you are currently GDP/PPP wise if those interviews (from the BBC article) are anything to go by. People would rather drag everyone into the poor house to be equal than improve the economy as a whole so the poor are now less poor (objectively speaking). Let's see what you guys choose.
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On October 27 2020 20:45 Wegandi wrote:Good luck. Sounds like you're headed down from where you are currently GDP/PPP wise if those interviews (from the BBC article) are anything to go by. People would rather drag everyone into the poor house to be equal than improve the economy as a whole so the poor are now less poor (objectively speaking). Let's see what you guys choose.
It's the path of Argentina 2.0, I hope to be wrong.
Such as the arrogant Venezuelans said "we are not gonna be Cuba", and Argentina said "we are not gonna be Venezuela", Chile is following the downward past of latin american socialism.
That said, people still have a chance to reject the new constitution. I'm optimistic the constitution will end up being somewhat the same and approved, being just a worthless process in the end that helped some people feel they achieved something.
I do find sad so many people have been sold that a new constitution will solve their problems. That is simply not true.
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lol get a grip
he is a socialist, just like Chavez, and they both got and stayed in power with the support of every left leaning organization and politican in latin america for the last 20 years (Michelle Bachelet, Mr and Ms. Kirscher, Correa, Evo Morales, FARC, etc etc etc)
Last minute changes on anything do not alter this fact, specially the people who supported his predecessor now saying "it wasn't real socialism" just to try to clear away from the disastrous and inevitable consequences of the policies they advocate for
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On March 01 2021 23:15 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2021 22:55 GoTuNk! wrote:
lol get a grip
he is a socialist, just like Chavez, and they both got and stayed in power with the support of every left leaning organization and politican in latin america for the last 20 years (Michelle Bachelet, Mr and Ms. Kirscher, Correa, Evo Morales, FARC, etc etc etc)
Last minute changes on anything do not alter this fact, specially the people who supported his predecessor now saying "it wasn't real socialism" just to try to clear away from the disastrous and inevitable consequences of the policies they advocate for I dont think you understand what a socialist is sadly if you think Maduro is one. It kind of makes sense with you since you are far right and basically just think socialism means bad or authoritarian but it does not.
Socialism is giving control of large sectors of the economy to the government. When that happens, without political opposition, the government ends up taking control on all aspects of economy and therefore life. Maduro is the inevitable consequence of un opposed socialism.
Pretending the first without the 2nd is like saying you are in favor of smoking, just not in favor of lung cancer.
I have the long standing list of Chavez and Maduro allies, belonging to every socialist movement and political leader in south america to back my arguments. Jumping ship the last 5 years doesn't count.
I saw this coming 15-20 years ago, just like it is happening in Argentina right now and I predicted would happen at least 5 years ago in multiple threads on this forum, this one included. Of course, the naysayers will at some point say "Argentina has never tried real socialism", it's just "corruption" or something; the same people that supported giving politians unlimited power and then wonder why there is "corruption", the same way they wonder why the economy gets ruined when they give control to large parts of the economy to politicians.
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Norway28706 Posts
Ya, Bolsonaro is worse than Trump. Not just Covid handling, he's a worse person, too.
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So does this mean he can run again, or is there a limit?
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Yes, currently he can run again. There is a limit, but the constitution reads (my translation) "The president ... may be reelected for a single subsequent period", which is interpreted to mean a third mandate is fine so long and it's not consecutive. I personally find it extremely ambiguous  .
Of course, the headline is slightly misleading. Essentially, the supreme court judge declared a mistrial because the court that ruled the case was not the correct one. Lula wasn't declared innocent, he will have to go to trial again, but with how slow the judicial system is here, I doubt it will happen before the 2022 election, so yeah, he will be able to run.
I don't quite understand if it's possible for the declaration of mistrial to be annuled, but if there's something to prevent Lula from running that would be it.
Sadly, assuming Lula runs, this is the single best thing that could have happened for Bolsonaro's chances of getting reelected.
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One of the few things i can think about which have some small effect would be personal sanctions on top officials and their families. No longer being able to send your children to western universities is something that actually touches them. Not being able to invest their ill-gotten gains in a lot of countries is also something which annoys them. Not a huge thing, but if you want any effects, you need to do something that hurts or inconveniences the people making the decisions, not the people who have no choice anyways.
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EPT
