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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 12 2021 16:53 GMT
#1161
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 31 2021 14:16 GMT
#1162
Why did they resign, that just allows for a greater possibility of something very bad from happening.

Jair Bolsonaro’s crisis-stricken administration has been rocked by the sudden sacking of Brazil’s defence minister and the subsequent resignation of the heads of all three branches of the armed forces.

The commanders of the Brazilian army, navy and air force – Gen Edson Leal Pujol, Adm Ilques Barbosa and Lt-Brig Antônio Carlos Bermudez – met with the president’s new minister on Tuesday morning and reportedly tendered their resignations during a dramatic and heated encounter. On Tuesday afternoon the defence ministry confirmed all three would be replaced, a political earthquake that rattled a country already grappling with one of the world’s worst coronavirus outbreaks.

The Folha de São Paulo newspaper said that never before in Brazilian history had the heads of all three branches of the military resigned out of disagreement with a president.

The historic upheaval, which left many Brazilians on edge, came after Brazil’s far-right president fired defence minister Gen Fernando Azevedo e Silva on Monday during what one media report called a chilly three-minute encounter. “I need your job,” Bolsonaro told the General, a longstanding friend, according to the Estado de São Paulo newspaper.

Eliane Cantanhêde, a prominent journalist for that broadsheet in the capital Brasília, claimed Gen Azevedo e Silva had left government after making it clear to the president – a former army captain who is notorious for his praise of authoritarians – that the armed forces owed loyalty to the constitution and were not Bolsonaro’s personal force.

Bolsonaro had reportedly been demanding the removal of Gen Pujol, who, to the president’s apparent consternation, has publicly rejected the politicization of Brazil’s military and pushed for tougher restrictions against Covid, which has killed more than 314,000 Brazilians. Earlier this month Bolsonaro – whose handling of the pandemic and opposition to lockdown have been internationally condemned – sparked outrage by issuing a veiled threat to declare a “state of siege”.

Cantanhêde said: “General Fernando’s exit shows us that there is a significant wing of the armed forces – in the army, navy and air force – who do not accept authoritarianism, coups and the violation of the constitution. Bolsonaro wants everyone to be his vassal and to do whatever he commands … and many people within [the armed forces] are now saying: ‘No, Sir, actually we won’t.’

“This is extremely important because it shows there is resistance in the armed forces to any kind of coup-mongering project ... [and] Bolsonaro’s authoritarian project,” Cantanhêde claimed.

Thomas Traumann, a Rio-based political observer and former social communication minister, described the shock developments – which came during a sweeping cabinet reshuffle – as “really historic”. The last time he could remember an army chief being removed in such unusual circumstances was in 1977 when the hardline general Sílvio Frota was sacked after trying to unseat Brazil’s then dictator Ernesto Geisel, one of the military rulers who governed the South American country between 1964 and 1985.

Traumann said: “Changing the army commander in a country like Brazil – and during an administration like Bolsonaro’s – isn’t business as usual. This is genuinely serious stuff because you are literally putting one of Bolsonaro’s people in charge of the army in an administration that threatens [military] interventions – even if we don’t know how much of that is for real and how much just to fire up his political base.”

“So far this has just been rhetoric. But if you change the commander of the army that’s one step closer to making it a reality,” Traumann added. “I know several generals and brigadiers and they are very alarmed.”

Bolsonaro, a career politician who swept to power in October 2018 on a fake-news-fuelled wave of anti-establishment rage, is a notorious admirer of Latin American autocrats and has publicly praised the former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet as well as the generals who ruled Brazil when he was a paratrooper in the late 1970s. He has repeatedly named his favourite book as a tome by Col Carlos Alberto Brilhante Ustra, a dictatorship-era torturer accused of overseeing torture sessions during which victims were electrocuted and thrashed with canes. During a series of anti-democratic protests last year Brazil’s democratically-elected leader egged on flag-waving radicals demanding a return to military rule. His politician son, Eduardo, who is Steve Bannon’s representative in South America, last year warned Brazil faced an “institutional rupture”.

Traumann said he saw no immediate chance of a break with democracy or coup attempt because of this week’s turbulence but feared Bolsonaro – who is facing growing political pressure over his catastrophic Covid response – was seeking to install more pliable military leaders in case his bid to secure a second presidential term in 2022 failed.

“In my head at least, the biggest institutional risk is having a 6 January,” Traumann said, in reference to the storming of the US Capitol by mobs who supported Bolsonaro’s political idol Donald Trump.

“If Bolsonaro loses the election and challenges the result, how are the armed forces going to respond? For me this is the key question.”

Bolsonaro’s chances of re-election suffered a major blow this month after his nemesis, the former left-wing president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, was freed up to challenge him after the surprise decision to quash the corruption convictions against him. “Lula’s return to politics changes everything,” said his former foreign minister, Celso Amorim. Many now expect Lula to run against Bolsonaro in 2022.

“We’re living between these two worlds. A certain light at the end of the tunnel from the political point of view and utter darkness from the health point of view, from the point of view of life,” Amorim said.

Cantanhêde said Bolsonaro’s high-risk gambit to shore up military support – which risks angering key figures within the armed forces – spoke to an increasingly desperate president who was haemorrhaging support, including among Brazil’s economic elite, thanks to his “horrific” reaction to Covid. Polls suggest Bolsonaro still enjoys the support of about 30% of the population but is considered the chief culprit for Brazil’s Covid calamity by 43% of citizens and rejected by almost half the country. “He is weak,” Cantanhêde claimed. “He is cornered.”


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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 01 2021 02:45 GMT
#1163
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-07 01:35:59
September 07 2021 01:33 GMT
#1164
Just bumping this to comment that I guess the world will wake up in the morning and expect to see Brazil sliding back into a dictatorship/autocratic regime...?




Brazil's far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, is backing a coup in his country apparently modeled on the January 6 storming of the US Capitol, a group of former world leaders have warned.

Bolsonaro supporters have carried out a number of protests against Brazil's s congress and supreme court in recent weeks, and are planning fresh new ones across the country on Tuesday.

Bolsonaro has long criticized Brazil's constitution, saying it is "communist" and that it limits presidents' powers. More recently, he has attacked the Supreme Court after it greenlit an investigation into his unsubstantiated claim that Brazil's electronic voting system is vulnerable to fraud.

The claim came as the country prepares for general elections in October 2022, where he is up for reelection. Critics already fear Bolsonaro will use all means possible to hang onto power should he lose.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 22 2021 19:18 GMT
#1165
Now his Health Minister has contracted Covid, not good.

Brazil’s unvaccinated President Jair Bolsonaro was spotted this weekend eating pizza on a sidewalk in New York City, where tourists and residents who are unvaccinated for the coronavirus are barred from eating indoors.

Bolsonaro, who traveled to New York ahead of the UN General Assembly, was pictured with several other members of his delegation in an Instagram post Monday by Gilson Machado Neto, Brazil’s minister for tourism. The photo was captioned “Let’s go for pizza with Coca Cola.”

The Brazilian president is the only G20 leader who has not been vaccinated for the coronavirus and has repeatedly defended his decision, citing his battle with COVID-19 last year.


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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 18 2022 11:11 GMT
#1166
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-22 00:13:22
August 22 2022 00:05 GMT
#1167
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
August 22 2022 04:17 GMT
#1168
Legalizing cocaine is a much further step than legalizing pot. Making it much easier for your country to traffic in drugs that are banned in other countries is bad for foreign policy.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10852 Posts
August 22 2022 09:01 GMT
#1169
If you look at the deathcount and other general harm of keeping it illegal has on many countries, I feel like "bad foreign policy" isn't enough to justify keeping it illegal.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 22 2022 13:32 GMT
#1170
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-02 01:47:05
September 02 2022 01:40 GMT
#1171
Cristina Kirchner was almost assassinated tonight, the suspects gun failed to fire. Apparently he is a 35 year old Brazilian.



AP now reporting:

BUENOS AIRES (AP) — One man was detained Thursday night after he reportedly aimed a handgun at point-blank range toward Argentine Vice President Cristina Fernández.

Video from the scene broadcast on local television channels shows Fernández exiting her vehicle surrounded by supporters outside her home when a man can be seen extending his hand with what looks like a pistol and the vice president ducks.

The supporters surrounding the person appear shocked at what is happening amid the commotion in the Recoleta neighborhood of Argentina’s capital.

“A person who was identified by those who were close to him who had a gun was detained by (the vice president’s) security personnel. They set him aside, found the weapon, and now it must be analyzed,” Security Minister Aníbal Fernández told local cable news channel C5N.

The minister said he wanted to be careful in providing details until the investigation learns more. There was no official comment on whether the gun was real.

Unverified video posted on social media shows the pistol almost touched Fernández’s face.


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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 02 2022 20:14 GMT
#1172
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/01/americas/chile-referendum-vote-new-constitution-intl-latam/index.html

Chileans gonna vote on a new constitution on Sunday, and it's probably the most important vote in their recent history. It's interesting though how near universal support for a new constitution (almost 80% in the 2020 referendum) has deteriorated after the drafting process went through, to the point that polls indicate that the new constitution will be rejected (though there is a large ammount of people undecided, so it's still up in the air).

I wonder why that is, though. Was the drafting process ultimately flawed? Despite being elected democratically, did the representatives doing the drafting lose their legitimacy or not act according to their constituent's expectations? Is the popular perception for a need for change much different than it was 2 years ago?

Any chileans here to share their opinions?
Bora Pain minha porra!
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-03 23:15:17
September 03 2022 23:14 GMT
#1173
On September 03 2022 05:14 Sbrubbles wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/01/americas/chile-referendum-vote-new-constitution-intl-latam/index.html

Chileans gonna vote on a new constitution on Sunday, and it's probably the most important vote in their recent history. It's interesting though how near universal support for a new constitution (almost 80% in the 2020 referendum) has deteriorated after the drafting process went through, to the point that polls indicate that the new constitution will be rejected (though there is a large ammount of people undecided, so it's still up in the air).

I wonder why that is, though. Was the drafting process ultimately flawed? Despite being elected democratically, did the representatives doing the drafting lose their legitimacy or not act according to their constituent's expectations? Is the popular perception for a need for change much different than it was 2 years ago?

Any chileans here to share their opinions?


Hi, happy to chime in. I'm a right wing conservative and will be voting "reject" so take what I say with a grain of salt.

1) The drafting process was somewhat flawed, they added special voting for "indigenous people" in a somewhat convoluted way that ended with an over representation of the extreme left in the convention, and the proposed draft as a result.

2) The constituents did not meet expectations, both personally and politically. Most notably, a guy run on that he was dying because he couldn't afford his cancer treatment, and he was turned into a big icon, luckily some real journalist looked into it, and after confronting him on an interview, the guy confessed he didn't have cancer lmao. I think that's when a large portion of the population thought "maybe this is/was all a scam". At first they said the would change the flag, refused to play the national anthem on the opening of the convention, and many other instances that made the constitution look horrible and un patriotic.
The constitution itself has a very questionable political system, abolishing the senate and eliminating high quorums for important laws, creating a very unstable political system. In addition it creates "indigenous tribunals" without saying clearly what authority they have and who will the rule on, creating a further future shit show.
On the other hand it promises a lot of "rights" in education, health, retirement and others, however it doesn't say HOW those will happen; to me it's just the usual empty promises of dictators.

3) This is entirely my impression, but Chile had a growing economy (though less than before) and was a VERY safe country. Since 2019 homicides have almost doubled, inflation is over 2 digits for the first time in 30 years and in general many people have a feeling of "maybe everything wasn't so bad and we screwed it".

That being said, the overwhelming majority at the moment supports a new constitution, just not this one. Hoping we can reject and have a new one.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 04 2022 23:45 GMT
#1174
Doesn't look like the new Constitution will get approval from voters.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
September 05 2022 00:25 GMT
#1175
And we rejected the leftist constitution, with a 60%+ victory and the highest turnout election in chilean history

People celebrating with chilean flags and the national anthem all over the country

+ Show Spoiler +

Comrade Sanders can meddle somewhere else


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-27 19:12:20
September 27 2022 19:06 GMT
#1176
So what happens this coming Sunday...





Things seem to be getting pretty tense.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-02 15:19:57
October 02 2022 15:19 GMT
#1177
Just came back from voting. Bit of a line (waited maybe 10 minutes) but otherwise uneventful. Cant wait for the results tonight!
Bora Pain minha porra!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 02 2022 15:20 GMT
#1178
How much tension is there out in the public?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-02 16:00:37
October 02 2022 15:59 GMT
#1179
Not really much tbh, at least from what I've seen. At the end of the day, most brazillians trust the voting process, and despite his fanatical followers, I don't think he's capable of executing some kind of coup If he loses.

Plus, it's only the first round. Chances are we'll have a bolso vs lula second round
Bora Pain minha porra!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 02 2022 20:33 GMT
#1180
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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