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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5705 Posts
March 24 2020 11:20 GMT
#1101
This are only gonna get worse in Brazil. Although concrete quarantine measures are being taken now (despite our president being an utter buffon, his health minister is a pretty centered guy and the governer of São Paulo is also reacting well), these are, as usual, late. Also, Brazil's testing capacity is only now getting established, so not only is the disease spreading but now we're gonna start testing more. Numbers will spike the next couple of weeks.

Criminal organizations in SP or Rio, be them drug faction or militia (mafia) faction have been known to on ocasion take the role of the state. What's written translates to "Warning all residents of Rio das Pedras and Tijuquinha!!! Curfew at 20:00. Whoever gets seen on the street after this time will learn to respect others". "Will learn to respect others" is a very curious euphemism indeed.
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5705 Posts
March 25 2020 01:24 GMT
#1102
Today was another day of panelaço (we've had them for the last 3 or 4 days). Panelaço is the practice, common in a lot of south america, of beating pans outside your window at a predetermined time, usually during the night, to protest against the government.

Bolsonaro has gone on to say some outrageously stupid things, calling everything histeria and paranoia, saying he wants governors to send kids back to school, that if he caught corona it would just be a mild flu, playing up the malaria remedy that is nowhere close to having eficacy proved. He's playing to his base, but it's firing up everyone else against him. It's sad when the best short term hope we have is that he doesn't put anything he says into practice and that governers and his staff ignore him.
Bora Pain minha porra!
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States20980 Posts
March 25 2020 01:44 GMT
#1103
On March 25 2020 10:24 Sbrubbles wrote:
Today was another day of panelaço (we've had them for the last 3 or 4 days). Panelaço is the practice, common in a lot of south america, of beating pans outside your window at a predetermined time, usually during the night, to protest against the government.

Bolsonaro has gone on to say some outrageously stupid things, calling everything histeria and paranoia, saying he wants governors to send kids back to school, that if he caught corona it would just be a mild flu, playing up the malaria remedy that is nowhere close to having eficacy proved. He's playing to his base, but it's firing up everyone else against him. It's sad when the best short term hope we have is that he doesn't put anything he says into practice and that governers and his staff ignore him.


He's really living up to the Trump of the Tropics moniker.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then"// Socialism has markets. Markets ≠ capitalism.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
April 30 2020 20:30 GMT
#1104
Venezuela is nearing a complete collapse 😢


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-only-the-united-nations-can-prevent-venezuelas-collapse/
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1918 Posts
April 30 2020 21:03 GMT
#1105
That is sad.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
May 02 2020 00:10 GMT
#1106
The good news is Bolasarno is losing his grip on Brazil, in large part because his terrible handling of Covid and him not following through on his anti corruption promises. The bad news is what he may do to try to hold on to that power.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bolsonaro-fights-for-survival-turning-to-empowered-military-elders/ar-BB13u1Kc?li=AAggNb9
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9370 Posts
May 02 2020 03:59 GMT
#1107
RIP us.

The lack of gas, basic services, water, medicines and the inability of the government to take appropriate measures to handle this pandemic are going to finally run the whole damn country into the ground.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
May 02 2020 13:58 GMT
#1108
That is terrible man, I hope it turns around for you guys!
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5705 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-03 02:20:09
May 03 2020 02:18 GMT
#1109
On May 02 2020 09:10 JimmiC wrote:
The good news is Bolasarno is losing his grip on Brazil, in large part because his terrible handling of Covid and him not following through on his anti corruption promises. The bad news is what he may do to try to hold on to that power.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bolsonaro-fights-for-survival-turning-to-empowered-military-elders/ar-BB13u1Kc?li=AAggNb9


I've been meaning to put down my take on the crazyness of the last few weeks in brazillian politics but until now have been to lazy to. There are two main events in the current upheaval.

First was the fight between the (now former) health minister, Mandetta, and Bolsonaro, with Mandetta defending harsher and stronger responses to the Coronavirus and in this supporting governors who are Bolsonaro's political adversaries (especially the Sao Paulo governor Doria), and Bolsonaro claiming it's just a little flu, that the states need to stop quarantine and get back to work, etc. This came to a head two weeks ago with Bolsonario letting Mandetta go and installing a new minister who, although hasn't taken Bolsonaro's position, also hasn't really done anything and is nowhere as proactive as the last one. Bolsonaro is trying to shift corona blame as much as possible to governors, but I don't think it will politically stick. His terrible reaction to the corona outbreak has been the most damaging thing to his popularity, and also the most damaging to Brazil, since while he does lose a lot of support, his diehard base is emboldened to ignore quarantine. Corona numbers here are getting worse on a daily basis as is adhesion to distancing measures.

Second was last week the justice minister Moro (the judge who authorized the Lava Jato investigations, responsible for uncovering large corruption schemes all along the political spectrum) resigned after disagreements over the substitution of the head of the federal police. The official reasons for Bolsonaro to make the change are confusing and change from moment to moment (imo, he wanted to put someone who would hinder investigations into his sons' corruption schemes in Rio). Moro said this was unacceptable and resigned, while making claims that Bolsonaro was explicit in wanting to interfere in the federal police's autonomy. Today (right now) Moro is testifying to these acusations.

What's important to understand in Bolsonaro's popular support is that his is a hodgepodge colation of people with security and anti-curruption concerns, economic liberals (british sense, not american sense), agricultural interests, social conservatives (especially of the evangelical variety) and his crazy ideological base (people making claims of cultural marxism, saying coronovirus is a comunist conspiracy, etc). His fight with Moro is heavily deteriorating his support from the first group and his reaction to the coronavirus is deterioring the second, especially as reforms get bogged down and social appetite for government intervention increases. Still, I don't think there's yet enough political nor popular support yet to see an impeachment through. Impeachment here (like the US, I think) is a political process, even though it requires a background of political malfeasance. Depending how Moro's acusations play out, that background may be strong enough to sustain an impeachment, but that doesn't mean one will happen.

@JimmyC The article you posted is pretty good, but it's title and focus on the military is wrong imo. Bolsonaro's reliance and use of retired military figures in his cabinet hasn't changed due to the corona outbreak (it's been there since the beggining) and has little bearing on his political survival. I don't see the military having the appetite to, for example, interfere and stop impeachment procedings against him. His political survival depends entirely on him securing support with centrão (smaller parties from center left to center right), which he's doing by filling these government vacancies and will certainly involve putting in a new justice minister who will slow down fighting corruption. This ceding to the legislative center parties was actually clear even with Moro as minister when Moro's signature anti-corruption legislation was detoothed by congress and Bolsonaro made no effort to hold the proposed legislation to its original form.
Bora Pain minha porra!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
May 03 2020 15:16 GMT
#1110
Thank you for the in depth update and analysis!
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
May 23 2020 02:19 GMT
#1111
The Trump of the South seems in even more hot water. After his minister of Justice resigned saying Bolsonaro was protecting his family from prosecution a video of Bolsonaro talking to his ministers was filmed. It was sealed but a judge released it. It does not look good for him, while it may not be a smoking gun it does not show a good side of him and will likely make him less popular if that is even possible. (despite the joke that he can't errode his 30%).



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bolsonaros-fiery-rhetoric-on-display-in-controversial-video/ar-BB14tuSc?li=AAggFp4
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nhandinhbongdaseriea
Profile Joined May 2020
1 Post
May 28 2020 02:14 GMT
#1112
hi
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-28 14:52:10
May 28 2020 14:50 GMT
#1113
On May 23 2020 11:19 JimmiC wrote:
The Trump of the South seems in even more hot water. After his minister of Justice resigned saying Bolsonaro was protecting his family from prosecution a video of Bolsonaro talking to his ministers was filmed. It was sealed but a judge released it. It does not look good for him, while it may not be a smoking gun it does not show a good side of him and will likely make him less popular if that is even possible. (despite the joke that he can't errode his 30%).



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bolsonaros-fiery-rhetoric-on-display-in-controversial-video/ar-BB14tuSc?li=AAggFp4


The level of disinformation is simply beyond words. I cannot find a single version of this video, translated to english, on youtube. Only spanish. It's from the same meeting, and unlike the nothing burger video you posted, this boosted his popularity trough the roof



Bolosonaro basically says Brazilian institutions are weak, that governors can legislate at whim, and that he wants to allow the people to arm themselves to make sure a dictator doesn't get proped up after him. The alleged "pressure" on justice and defense minsiter, is for them to pass legislation making legal access to weapons easier.

Some quotes:

"If I wanted to be a dictator, I would disarm people like others did in the past (Venezuela)".
"My flags: Family, God, Brazil, weapons, freedom of speech, free markets. If you don't accept those you are in the wrong government (to his cabinet)"
"Let me be clear: whoever is praised by Folha and Globo (brazil news left leaning outless I guess) loses his ministry" lol

Wish his handling of coronavirus wasn't so idiotic, latin american countries need an extremely hard stance, like his, against left wing tirants taking power over in shell democracies.

Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5705 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-28 15:45:13
May 28 2020 15:27 GMT
#1114
On May 28 2020 23:50 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2020 11:19 JimmiC wrote:
The Trump of the South seems in even more hot water. After his minister of Justice resigned saying Bolsonaro was protecting his family from prosecution a video of Bolsonaro talking to his ministers was filmed. It was sealed but a judge released it. It does not look good for him, while it may not be a smoking gun it does not show a good side of him and will likely make him less popular if that is even possible. (despite the joke that he can't errode his 30%).



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bolsonaros-fiery-rhetoric-on-display-in-controversial-video/ar-BB14tuSc?li=AAggFp4


The level of disinformation is simply beyond words. I cannot find a single version of this video, translated to english, on youtube. Only spanish. It's from the same meeting, and unlike the nothing burger video you posted, this boosted his popularity trough the roof


Source? If anything, his popularity has been deteriorating steadily since his continuous utter botching of the coronavirus crisis, Datafolha ran a survey this monday, the results being discussed here. It's in portuguese, but I think you can get the gist of it.

As for the rest, the idea that the Brazillian populace needs to arm itself to stop an emerging left-wing dictatorship is nothing more than right-wing delusion. For all its problems, brazillian democracy has been stable for more than 30 years, and if anything is threatening it today, it's Bolsonaro participating in acts that call for military intervention (even though I've said it's very unlikely the military would do such a thing).
Bora Pain minha porra!
StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-30 05:35:43
May 30 2020 05:32 GMT
#1115
It is like Ana Navarro blasting Bernie Sanders for saying Cuba has good education and health care (objectively true things) then in the same sentence praise the work her father did with the Contras. Never mind the Contras murdered, raped, moved drugs and much more, they were against the socialists so that’s OK.

I constantly get the impression that there’s a group of Latin Americans who are willing to accept the same sort authoritarianism that existed in the past so long as it isn’t framed in “left wing” terms.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
June 02 2020 05:23 GMT
#1116
A sad story about what Venezuela is like and how ill equipped it is to handling Covid.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-19-spread-venezuela-new-elites-kept-partying-i-had-ncna1199566
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
June 07 2020 17:03 GMT
#1117
Another big set back for democracy in Venezuela. This is why the courts are so important, and need to be politicized.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/06/venezuelas-supreme-court-rules-against-opposition-in-vote-setback
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-07 23:46:21
June 07 2020 23:45 GMT
#1118
Since there is no Chinese politics thread and the people there are going through, and have been for much longer, what the people of Venezuela are going through I thought I would post this here.

One of the biggest soccer stars to ever come out of China spoke incredibly critically of the Chinese government, and the video is released on the anniversary of the violent and bloody crack down on pro-democracy protesters around Tiananmen Square in Beijing in 1989.

This is pretty crazy stuff, I have never heard of a Chinese figure of this level speak out against the government. I hope he is able to stay safe and away from China, because if he heads there I don't think we will see him again. The Chinese version of Twitter already deleted his account.
Hao was a star on the Chinese national soccer team when it made its only World Cup appearance in 2002. Having retired for more than a decade, the former striker still holds the record as China's all-time top scorer for the national team and in the Chinese league.


"The most fundamental reason that I spoke out today against the (Chinese Communist) system is that I think the Chinese people and China's future should no longer be trampled upon by it," he said in the interview.
"I think the Chinese Communist Party should be kicked out of humanity. The ghost of Communism should no longer be allowed to drift in this world. This is what I've concluded after 50 years of living."



"The Communist Party's totalitarian rule in China has caused horrific atrocities against humanity," he said, denouncing the party as a "terrorist organization" that has "trampled over democracy, violated the rule of law and dishonored lawful agreements."
He also accused Beijing of violating its promise to Hong Kong to keep the "one country, two systems" principle unchanged for 50 years, and "brutally cracking down on Hong Kongers defending democracy and freedoms."



https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/asia/chinese-soccer-star-intl-hnk/index.html
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
June 18 2020 16:17 GMT
#1119
More bad news for Bolasarno as a top aid to his son is arrested for corruption. But good news for Brazil. Hopefully with enough high profile arrests corruption will not continue to be common place.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/brazil-police-arrest-former-aide-to-president-s-son-in-graft-probe/ar-BB15Frv7?li=AAggFp4
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19930 Posts
June 19 2020 11:06 GMT
#1120
Maduro is further cementing his absolute power within Venezuela during the Covid lockdown.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/americas/venezuela-maduro-coronavirus-power-intl/index.html

Bolton is alleging that Trump said "it would be cool to invade Venezuela, because it is really part of the USA" in his book.

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-book-trump-would-be-cool-to-invade-venezuela-2020-6

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