EPTCriminal organizations in SP or Rio, be them drug faction or militia (mafia) faction have been known to on ocasion take the role of the state. What's written translates to "Warning all residents of Rio das Pedras and Tijuquinha!!! Curfew at 20:00. Whoever gets seen on the street after this time will learn to respect others". "Will learn to respect others" is a very curious euphemism indeed.
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Sbrubbles
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Criminal organizations in SP or Rio, be them drug faction or militia (mafia) faction have been known to on ocasion take the role of the state. What's written translates to "Warning all residents of Rio das Pedras and Tijuquinha!!! Curfew at 20:00. Whoever gets seen on the street after this time will learn to respect others". "Will learn to respect others" is a very curious euphemism indeed. | ||
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Bolsonaro has gone on to say some outrageously stupid things, calling everything histeria and paranoia, saying he wants governors to send kids back to school, that if he caught corona it would just be a mild flu, playing up the malaria remedy that is nowhere close to having eficacy proved. He's playing to his base, but it's firing up everyone else against him. It's sad when the best short term hope we have is that he doesn't put anything he says into practice and that governers and his staff ignore him. | ||
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On March 25 2020 10:24 Sbrubbles wrote: Today was another day of panelaço (we've had them for the last 3 or 4 days). Panelaço is the practice, common in a lot of south america, of beating pans outside your window at a predetermined time, usually during the night, to protest against the government. Bolsonaro has gone on to say some outrageously stupid things, calling everything histeria and paranoia, saying he wants governors to send kids back to school, that if he caught corona it would just be a mild flu, playing up the malaria remedy that is nowhere close to having eficacy proved. He's playing to his base, but it's firing up everyone else against him. It's sad when the best short term hope we have is that he doesn't put anything he says into practice and that governers and his staff ignore him. He's really living up to the Trump of the Tropics moniker. | ||
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The lack of gas, basic services, water, medicines and the inability of the government to take appropriate measures to handle this pandemic are going to finally run the whole damn country into the ground. | ||
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On May 02 2020 09:10 JimmiC wrote: The good news is Bolasarno is losing his grip on Brazil, in large part because his terrible handling of Covid and him not following through on his anti corruption promises. The bad news is what he may do to try to hold on to that power. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bolsonaro-fights-for-survival-turning-to-empowered-military-elders/ar-BB13u1Kc?li=AAggNb9 I've been meaning to put down my take on the crazyness of the last few weeks in brazillian politics but until now have been to lazy to. There are two main events in the current upheaval. First was the fight between the (now former) health minister, Mandetta, and Bolsonaro, with Mandetta defending harsher and stronger responses to the Coronavirus and in this supporting governors who are Bolsonaro's political adversaries (especially the Sao Paulo governor Doria), and Bolsonaro claiming it's just a little flu, that the states need to stop quarantine and get back to work, etc. This came to a head two weeks ago with Bolsonario letting Mandetta go and installing a new minister who, although hasn't taken Bolsonaro's position, also hasn't really done anything and is nowhere as proactive as the last one. Bolsonaro is trying to shift corona blame as much as possible to governors, but I don't think it will politically stick. His terrible reaction to the corona outbreak has been the most damaging thing to his popularity, and also the most damaging to Brazil, since while he does lose a lot of support, his diehard base is emboldened to ignore quarantine. Corona numbers here are getting worse on a daily basis as is adhesion to distancing measures. Second was last week the justice minister Moro (the judge who authorized the Lava Jato investigations, responsible for uncovering large corruption schemes all along the political spectrum) resigned after disagreements over the substitution of the head of the federal police. The official reasons for Bolsonaro to make the change are confusing and change from moment to moment (imo, he wanted to put someone who would hinder investigations into his sons' corruption schemes in Rio). Moro said this was unacceptable and resigned, while making claims that Bolsonaro was explicit in wanting to interfere in the federal police's autonomy. Today (right now) Moro is testifying to these acusations. What's important to understand in Bolsonaro's popular support is that his is a hodgepodge colation of people with security and anti-curruption concerns, economic liberals (british sense, not american sense), agricultural interests, social conservatives (especially of the evangelical variety) and his crazy ideological base (people making claims of cultural marxism, saying coronovirus is a comunist conspiracy, etc). His fight with Moro is heavily deteriorating his support from the first group and his reaction to the coronavirus is deterioring the second, especially as reforms get bogged down and social appetite for government intervention increases. Still, I don't think there's yet enough political nor popular support yet to see an impeachment through. Impeachment here (like the US, I think) is a political process, even though it requires a background of political malfeasance. Depending how Moro's acusations play out, that background may be strong enough to sustain an impeachment, but that doesn't mean one will happen. @JimmyC The article you posted is pretty good, but it's title and focus on the military is wrong imo. Bolsonaro's reliance and use of retired military figures in his cabinet hasn't changed due to the corona outbreak (it's been there since the beggining) and has little bearing on his political survival. I don't see the military having the appetite to, for example, interfere and stop impeachment procedings against him. His political survival depends entirely on him securing support with centrão (smaller parties from center left to center right), which he's doing by filling these government vacancies and will certainly involve putting in a new justice minister who will slow down fighting corruption. This ceding to the legislative center parties was actually clear even with Moro as minister when Moro's signature anti-corruption legislation was detoothed by congress and Bolsonaro made no effort to hold the proposed legislation to its original form. | ||
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On May 23 2020 11:19 JimmiC wrote: The Trump of the South seems in even more hot water. After his minister of Justice resigned saying Bolsonaro was protecting his family from prosecution a video of Bolsonaro talking to his ministers was filmed. It was sealed but a judge released it. It does not look good for him, while it may not be a smoking gun it does not show a good side of him and will likely make him less popular if that is even possible. (despite the joke that he can't errode his 30%). https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bolsonaros-fiery-rhetoric-on-display-in-controversial-video/ar-BB14tuSc?li=AAggFp4 The level of disinformation is simply beyond words. I cannot find a single version of this video, translated to english, on youtube. Only spanish. It's from the same meeting, and unlike the nothing burger video you posted, this boosted his popularity trough the roof Bolosonaro basically says Brazilian institutions are weak, that governors can legislate at whim, and that he wants to allow the people to arm themselves to make sure a dictator doesn't get proped up after him. The alleged "pressure" on justice and defense minsiter, is for them to pass legislation making legal access to weapons easier. Some quotes: "If I wanted to be a dictator, I would disarm people like others did in the past (Venezuela)". "My flags: Family, God, Brazil, weapons, freedom of speech, free markets. If you don't accept those you are in the wrong government (to his cabinet)" "Let me be clear: whoever is praised by Folha and Globo (brazil news left leaning outless I guess) loses his ministry" lol Wish his handling of coronavirus wasn't so idiotic, latin american countries need an extremely hard stance, like his, against left wing tirants taking power over in shell democracies. | ||
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On May 28 2020 23:50 GoTuNk! wrote: The level of disinformation is simply beyond words. I cannot find a single version of this video, translated to english, on youtube. Only spanish. It's from the same meeting, and unlike the nothing burger video you posted, this boosted his popularity trough the roof Source? If anything, his popularity has been deteriorating steadily since his continuous utter botching of the coronavirus crisis, Datafolha ran a survey this monday, the results being discussed here. It's in portuguese, but I think you can get the gist of it. As for the rest, the idea that the Brazillian populace needs to arm itself to stop an emerging left-wing dictatorship is nothing more than right-wing delusion. For all its problems, brazillian democracy has been stable for more than 30 years, and if anything is threatening it today, it's Bolsonaro participating in acts that call for military intervention (even though I've said it's very unlikely the military would do such a thing). | ||
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I constantly get the impression that there’s a group of Latin Americans who are willing to accept the same sort authoritarianism that existed in the past so long as it isn’t framed in “left wing” terms. | ||
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