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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
September 23 2024 15:35 GMT
#1261
That’s cool, wish we had stuff like that!

Been involved in trying to get 3 failures off the ground (indirectly, hey we know all SC2 players, let’s funnel them), and one new venture that is also doomed to failure. Literally the only entity that survives to even vaguely do anything like that is a university society from my Alma mater, and they do the odd event, not running every day. We just work with them; we have a fun weekend and run an SC2 tourney. John Romero pops up for reasons and annihilates everyone at Doom, good times.

And I’m not joking, John Romero will pop up with his wife from Waterford to Belfast. He will play you at Doom. He will beat you at Doom, and he’ll be a great conversationalist.

We’ve got the biggest fully amateur run nerd convention in all of Europe, all volunteers, all for shits and giggles.

Even with all of that; none of the stuff you’re talking about exist here. There’s not arcades, there’s fuck all. It would be class if there was

Hey it’s cool but I’m not sure why Canada seems to be having such success and somewhere vaguely culturally similar is a fucking wasteland
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-23 18:00:28
September 23 2024 17:45 GMT
#1262
I think the foundation of these places is a chill sports bar vibe. Have 2 people who are there 70 hours a week. You then start adding in arcade machines one at a time.

My wife has a co-worker whose family runs 1 Barcade. They are planning on opening a 2nd location and when that happens he will quit his full time job. Chances are... At the start he will work more hours for less money.
On September 24 2024 00:35 WombaT wrote:
Hey it’s cool but I’m not sure why Canada seems to be having such success and somewhere vaguely culturally similar is a fucking wasteland

For the entire 20th century Canada had brilliant leadership allowing it to swim and survive beside the USA shark. Early in the 21st century the #1 province re elected the Premier with the highest popular vote in the province's 150 year history. The city I grew up in had the same mayor for 36 years from 1978 to 2014. She always won every election in a landslide. The Premiere and Mayor were both brilliant. Both were incredibly popular because they were great. The city went from 50,000 to 850,000.
All the smart, hard-working immigrants knew Mississauga is where you go to grab the bag.

Canada is in slow decline now though. Most of my customers are in New York and Virginia.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-24 14:43:19
September 24 2024 14:24 GMT
#1263
Bellular makes a legit attempt to build a profitable video game news site that is not an advertisement for giant video game corporations. I fundamentally disagree with some of his perspectives, however, I hope he succeeds.

Here is an interesting piece of work from Bellular News.


On September 23 2024 12:58 frontgarden2222 wrote:
Soon the budget is going to be $600m because chud appealers like Colin Moriarty and Asmongold just want to keep grave dancing on the game.

Almost everyone in Asmongold's chat thought the $400M was far too high. Are the people watching Asmongold "chuds" ?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22664 Posts
September 24 2024 14:53 GMT
#1264
On September 24 2024 23:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Are the people watching Asmongold "chuds" ?
yes? ...
I'm sorry I thought that was common knowledge.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-24 15:06:47
September 24 2024 15:05 GMT
#1265
On September 24 2024 23:53 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2024 23:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Are the people watching Asmongold "chuds" ?
yes? ...
I'm sorry I thought that was common knowledge.

welp, it looks like the majority of "chuds" do not think the $400M is legit.

TL;DR of the Bellular News coverage: Sony is "Hollywood Accounting" the $400M cost of Concord.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
September 24 2024 17:56 GMT
#1266
Ubisoft has made several apologies over the last 4 months regarding their new Assassin's Creed Shadows game. It is a game set in Japan. 2 days before the Tokyo Game Show Ubisoft cancels their appearance.

I predict we have another apology incoming.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-25 17:17:20
September 25 2024 17:14 GMT
#1267
Ubisoft announced Assassin's Creed Shadows is delayed until February 14, 2025.
I suspect Ubisoft's top people did not want their rank and file employees answering questions about how the 1945 Nuclear Holocaust fits into their 'creative re imagining' of 1526 feudal Japan

I'm tellin' ya , you can't make this stuff up.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-26 13:22:57
September 26 2024 13:21 GMT
#1268
Ubisoft lost 17% of what was left of its value so far today. Ubisoft is down to EU9.40.
Recently, BMO Investing gave Ubisoft an "Outperform" Rating. If I give anyone 2 guesses as to which city on planet earth where the HQ of BMO Investing is... I bet they can get it right.

IGN praised Ubisoft and the developers of their next game: Assassin's Creed Outlaws after their "insiders" got an early look at the game. IGN gave Ubisoft's most recent release, Star Wars Outlaws, a 7/10.

Another IGN 7/10 Kiss of Death.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-27 13:32:02
September 27 2024 13:31 GMT
#1269
To Louis Rossmann: Thank you for making this happen.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24254922/california-digital-purchase-disclosure-law-ab-2426

EULAs and ToS have been deceptive for years now. Even the zero government anarcho-capitalists back this move. The video game industry is pretty scummy. This shows you how scummy the industry is when such a change must be legislated. The industry refused to be honest voluntarily despite constant outcry.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
frontgarden2222
Profile Joined June 2024
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-28 13:00:36
September 28 2024 12:53 GMT
#1270
On September 24 2024 00:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2024 12:58 frontgarden2222 wrote:
People with an axe to grind will fit a square through a circle but there's an obvious malaise in the console market. The Xbox is basically on life support outside of the Anglosphere, Playstation doesn't have Moore's Law to facilitate price cuts to to encourage consumer onboarding and can't get development costs/durations down because of their market strategy, and everyone already has a Nintendo Switch at this point.

meanwhile Barcades//Arcades are opening up all over Canada and the north eastern USA and people are 100% happy to play games made from 1979 to 2005. So many games were made that to the average consumer these games are totally new experiences. Also, these games attract ages 14 to 70. Tonnes of women love these games.
My wife is in a women's competitive Pinball League.

These mega corps are constantly droning on about widening their consumer base to justify their $100+M investments. Well, Barcades have solved the problem.


So much simple, stupid, dumb fun.


Round 1 and a couple other independent arcades are the truth yes. US arcade culture never left, you could see it as MAGfest. The fighting game community still emobides arcade culture, for better or worse.

Most of the barcade stuff is just nostaligia bait, mobile games jammed into a cabinet, or pinball (like the only worthwhile thing in 95% of barcades). Its a good alterntive to traditional watering holes, you can get together with a couple of friends and whittle the time away quietly with food and drinks without the typical dive, bar, or nightclub atmosphere.

On September 25 2024 00:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2024 23:53 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 24 2024 23:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Are the people watching Asmongold "chuds" ?
yes? ...
I'm sorry I thought that was common knowledge.

welp, it looks like the majority of "chuds" do not think the $400M is legit.


It doesn't matter if his community think its legit or not, at the end of the day all of this stuff about Concord is just content to continue the grave dancing on a game that people immediately latched as a 'go woke, go broke' target. Like Square Enix had two similarly huge online game failures just within the last couple of years without the continued grave dancing, there's nothing new to online games that swing big that fail right out of the gate.

Asmon is a weather vane and rather than just playing MMOs, he's spending more and more time 'reacting' to his subreddit. Which are basically all chuds these days. To the point the mods there have to tone some of the shit down by suppressing incel bait video content in the subreddit so he doesn't react to it. Yeah, he's had good takes occasionally in the past but you cannot tell me his subreddit, even after being moderated, isn't complete trash that wouldn't get you blasted by the mods on this forum within a few minutes.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 10:48:27
September 30 2024 09:08 GMT
#1271
On September 28 2024 21:53 frontgarden2222 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2024 00:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On September 23 2024 12:58 frontgarden2222 wrote:
People with an axe to grind will fit a square through a circle but there's an obvious malaise in the console market. The Xbox is basically on life support outside of the Anglosphere, Playstation doesn't have Moore's Law to facilitate price cuts to to encourage consumer onboarding and can't get development costs/durations down because of their market strategy, and everyone already has a Nintendo Switch at this point.

meanwhile Barcades//Arcades are opening up all over Canada and the north eastern USA and people are 100% happy to play games made from 1979 to 2005. So many games were made that to the average consumer these games are totally new experiences. Also, these games attract ages 14 to 70. Tonnes of women love these games.
My wife is in a women's competitive Pinball League.

These mega corps are constantly droning on about widening their consumer base to justify their $100+M investments. Well, Barcades have solved the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RK_ZJrdl3E

So much simple, stupid, dumb fun.


Round 1 and a couple other independent arcades are the truth yes. US arcade culture never left, you could see it as MAGfest. The fighting game community still emobides arcade culture, for better or worse.

Most of the barcade stuff is just nostaligia bait, mobile games jammed into a cabinet, or pinball (like the only worthwhile thing in 95% of barcades). Its a good alterntive to traditional watering holes, you can get together with a couple of friends and whittle the time away quietly with food and drinks without the typical dive, bar, or nightclub atmosphere.

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2024 00:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On September 24 2024 23:53 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 24 2024 23:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Are the people watching Asmongold "chuds" ?
yes? ...
I'm sorry I thought that was common knowledge.

welp, it looks like the majority of "chuds" do not think the $400M is legit.


It doesn't matter if his community think its legit or not, at the end of the day all of this stuff about Concord is just content to continue the grave dancing on a game that people immediately latched as a 'go woke, go broke' target. Like Square Enix had two similarly huge online game failures just within the last couple of years without the continued grave dancing, there's nothing new to online games that swing big that fail right out of the gate.

Asmon is a weather vane and rather than just playing MMOs, he's spending more and more time 'reacting' to his subreddit. Which are basically all chuds these days. To the point the mods there have to tone some of the shit down by suppressing incel bait video content in the subreddit so he doesn't react to it. Yeah, he's had good takes occasionally in the past but you cannot tell me his subreddit, even after being moderated, isn't complete trash that wouldn't get you blasted by the mods on this forum within a few minutes.

Do you listen to Asmongold's analysis of "go woke go broke" cases? Usually the product is weak and uninspired and the weak team sprinkles in stuff like a lesbian black disabled character who is trying to find her long lost lover to prop up the game. In other words "going woke" is an EFFECT and it is not a CAUSE. The CAUSE is weak, unoriginal story tellers and poor game designers looking for any cheap/easy hook they can find to prop up their game. To quote Eric Cartman: "put a chick in it and make her lame and gay".

So for example, Fire Pro Wrestling World licensed with NJPW was a very strong product. Suda51, a great game designer, was on the project. The combat is great and Spike-Chunsoft knows it is great. They marched out an excellent roster of male japanese wrestlers. Hardly any white or black wrestlers. No Hulk Hogan, No Stone Cold, No Rock. They did include Kenny Omega however keep in mind he speaks fluent Japanese. Makes total sense.. we're talking NJPW here. Ubisoft, OTOH, has a weak game with all manner of bugs and glitches and their studios are cranking out bad games for years. The combat looks bad. They make the first AC game set in Japan with zero japanese male sarumai. uhh what?

Spike Chunsoft was in a strong position with Suda51 making yet another great wrestling game. Ubisoft has been making garbage for years now and Ubisoft-Quebec only exists due to massive government subisidies. No surprise to see Ubisoft went "woke" and looked for a cheap/easy hook/gimmick with their Japanese game.

Ironically, the non-woke company was very respectful of Japan and the "woke" company turns the 1945 Nuclear Holocaust into a light hearted point of humour.

Had Spike-Chunsoft made an NJPW licensed game with 0 Japanese male wrestlers and filled it with black and white guys it would've been laughed out of existence in NA. The reason NA wrestling fans want the game is to play Japanese wrestlers in the Japanese wrestling style in the NJPW setting. For Assassin's Creed, it seems that many people want to play as a Japanese male Samurai in a game set in feudal Japan. So, people are pissed. meh. Ubisoft are morons and Ubisoft finger pointing at their own customers is ever more moronic.

We have another "get woke go broke" case where the cause is a weak game made by a lousy development team propped up by a mountain of government funding.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Q-BDpTlqCBA

Fire Pro Wrestling World is over 5 years old now and it is still an absolute blast.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
September 30 2024 13:17 GMT
#1272
On September 26 2024 22:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Ubisoft lost 17% of what was left of its value so far today. Ubisoft is down to EU9.40.
Recently, BMO Investing gave Ubisoft an "Outperform" Rating. If I give anyone 2 guesses as to which city on planet earth where the HQ of BMO Investing is... I bet they can get it right.

IGN praised Ubisoft and the developers of their next game: Assassin's Creed Outlaws after their "insiders" got an early look at the game. IGN gave Ubisoft's most recent release, Star Wars Outlaws, a 7/10.

Another IGN 7/10 Kiss of Death.

Haven't listened to any major reviewer for many years now. Hard to say which ones arent being given free trips and being brided anymore.

Wish that trend dies out and sellout reviewers also die out as well. I just end up relying on the post release playerbase for reviews nowadays
this is a quote
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12034 Posts
September 30 2024 13:26 GMT
#1273
On September 30 2024 22:17 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2024 22:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Ubisoft lost 17% of what was left of its value so far today. Ubisoft is down to EU9.40.
Recently, BMO Investing gave Ubisoft an "Outperform" Rating. If I give anyone 2 guesses as to which city on planet earth where the HQ of BMO Investing is... I bet they can get it right.

IGN praised Ubisoft and the developers of their next game: Assassin's Creed Outlaws after their "insiders" got an early look at the game. IGN gave Ubisoft's most recent release, Star Wars Outlaws, a 7/10.

Another IGN 7/10 Kiss of Death.

Haven't listened to any major reviewer for many years now. Hard to say which ones arent being given free trips and being brided anymore.

Wish that trend dies out and sellout reviewers also die out as well. I just end up relying on the post release playerbase for reviews nowadays


Which is generally a good choice. I have completely stopped buying anything within half a year or so of release. The longer i wait, the more information i get and the cheaper the games get.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7427 Posts
September 30 2024 13:31 GMT
#1274
On September 30 2024 22:26 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 22:17 goody153 wrote:
On September 26 2024 22:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Ubisoft lost 17% of what was left of its value so far today. Ubisoft is down to EU9.40.
Recently, BMO Investing gave Ubisoft an "Outperform" Rating. If I give anyone 2 guesses as to which city on planet earth where the HQ of BMO Investing is... I bet they can get it right.

IGN praised Ubisoft and the developers of their next game: Assassin's Creed Outlaws after their "insiders" got an early look at the game. IGN gave Ubisoft's most recent release, Star Wars Outlaws, a 7/10.

Another IGN 7/10 Kiss of Death.

Haven't listened to any major reviewer for many years now. Hard to say which ones arent being given free trips and being brided anymore.

Wish that trend dies out and sellout reviewers also die out as well. I just end up relying on the post release playerbase for reviews nowadays


Which is generally a good choice. I have completely stopped buying anything within half a year or so of release. The longer i wait, the more information i get and the cheaper the games get.


And the Pile of Shame is big enough as is.
And most games suck on Day 1 anyway because server infrastructure and stuff. The first week is more waiting game than anything else until the biggest flaws are patched out and servers are stable.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17942 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-01 12:35:11
October 01 2024 12:31 GMT
#1275
I found the information warfare, before Star Wars Outlaws released, to be fascinating. Many mainstream outlets praised the game. If they put the endorsement on youtube it got downvoted into oblivion. 1 endorsement got 4K upvotes and 40K downvotes. Many endorsements got crushed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/07/31/star-wars-outlaws-hands-on-previews-are-in-and-actually-quite-good/

The second-to-second combat was pretty weak.

Paul Tassi labelled 4 replies that said "how much did ubisoft pay you" as "hate". This is just one example of really mild pushback being called "hate".

The Ubisoft CEO makes a standard "rally the troops" type public statement and it is twisted into "The CEO hates his customers".

The bottom line is, video games are not very important; we've got a lot of self-important people on all sides of the discussion trying to tell us how important they are. Relax guys and enjoy the fact you have so much spare time to play games.

Now, if you'll excuse me I must get back to my life and death struggle to get to top of my Diamond League SC2 Division! The fate of the universe is at stake!
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12891 Posts
October 02 2024 10:06 GMT
#1276
The amount of political correctness has been so overwhelming and obvious that it's now picked up in a lot of main stream videogame/entertainment report as well.

On a side note, in Chinese, the word for correct is 正確 and political correct is 政確.
The first character basically has the same pronunciation, pretty funny coincidence
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
October 02 2024 10:17 GMT
#1277
What political correctness?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12891 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 11:20:03
October 02 2024 11:17 GMT
#1278
On October 02 2024 19:17 WombaT wrote:
What political correctness?

not even sure where to start? lots of motion captured characters being touched up to look less attractive like horizon zero dawn than the actual actress while death straining models are faithfully recreated (and just as attractive?)
stellar blade being called unrealistic female bodies while it's later revealed to be captured with a real life model?
new dragon age character creation have top surgery scar while max breast size is barely a large size?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
October 02 2024 11:28 GMT
#1279
On October 02 2024 20:17 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2024 19:17 WombaT wrote:
What political correctness?

not even sure where to start? lots of motion captured characters being touched up to look less attractive like horizon zero dawn than the actual actress while death straining models are faithfully recreated (and just as attractive?)
stellar blade being called unrealistic female bodies while it's later revealed to be captured with a real life model?
new dragon age character creation have top surgery scar while max breast size is barely a large size?

Ah yes the political correctness that has someone hunting robots in a post-apocalyptic world not looking like a supermodel, that kind of political correctness

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12891 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 11:39:02
October 02 2024 11:32 GMT
#1280
On October 02 2024 20:28 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2024 20:17 ETisME wrote:
On October 02 2024 19:17 WombaT wrote:
What political correctness?

not even sure where to start? lots of motion captured characters being touched up to look less attractive like horizon zero dawn than the actual actress while death straining models are faithfully recreated (and just as attractive?)
stellar blade being called unrealistic female bodies while it's later revealed to be captured with a real life model?
new dragon age character creation have top surgery scar while max breast size is barely a large size?

Ah yes the political correctness that has someone hunting robots in a post-apocalyptic world not looking like a supermodel, that kind of political correctness


Not sure why this is controversial, Humans like attractive things by nature. What's next? dante is too attractive for demon hunter? nier? bayonetta?
And a top removal surgery scar in a high fantasy setting makes sense somehow?
It's not even just the body, it's the face model getting changed on purpose as well.
a company decide to spend extra effort to make the model less attractive makes sense to you?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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