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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 24 2018 16:49 GMT
#17361
On October 25 2018 01:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
To be fair, they are just sending bombs to the enemies of the people. If the people of America have enemies, how else are they supposed to act?


sneak them into the embassy and have a hit squad cut off their fingers and then dismember them?
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
October 24 2018 17:29 GMT
#17362
On October 25 2018 01:07 Gorsameth wrote:
Kinda sounds like one nutjob trying his 'luck' by going wide.

matter of time until he (or she) is arrested, doubt the Secret Service will take it lightly.


If these bombs had the capability to physically harm the targets, I would argue this is a giant terrorist attack. When was the last time this kind of thing happened? Obama, Clinton, DWS, CNN...that's a really big deal.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21705 Posts
October 24 2018 17:35 GMT
#17363
On October 25 2018 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 01:07 Gorsameth wrote:
Kinda sounds like one nutjob trying his 'luck' by going wide.

matter of time until he (or she) is arrested, doubt the Secret Service will take it lightly.


If these bombs had the capability to physically harm the targets, I would argue this is a giant terrorist attack. When was the last time this kind of thing happened? Obama, Clinton, DWS, CNN...that's a really big deal.
ofcourse it is, but it only takes 1 nutjob to do it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 24 2018 17:36 GMT
#17364
The claims of false flags are already circulating. It is just a question of how quickly Fox picks them up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 24 2018 17:56 GMT
#17365
On October 25 2018 02:36 Plansix wrote:
The claims of false flags are already circulating. It is just a question of how quickly Fox picks them up.


I'm shocked. Genuinely. Honest. Never would have expected false flags to come up over this. Never.

Wonder what the spin will be when they find whoever's sending them?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 24 2018 17:59 GMT
#17366
On October 25 2018 02:56 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 02:36 Plansix wrote:
The claims of false flags are already circulating. It is just a question of how quickly Fox picks them up.


I'm shocked. Genuinely. Honest. Never would have expected false flags to come up over this. Never.

Wonder what the spin will be when they find whoever's sending them?


Isn't false flag the spin? It's catch all that covers whoever did it which is why it's so convenient as a quick response.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21705 Posts
October 24 2018 17:59 GMT
#17367
On October 25 2018 02:56 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 02:36 Plansix wrote:
The claims of false flags are already circulating. It is just a question of how quickly Fox picks them up.


I'm shocked. Genuinely. Honest. Never would have expected false flags to come up over this. Never.

Wonder what the spin will be when they find whoever's sending them?
fall guy who took the blame to advance the Democrats evil scheme.
Nevermind that he will spend the rest of his life in purgatory for multiple attempted assassinations on major political figures and never see daylight again.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 24 2018 18:16 GMT
#17368
Another package was found addressed to Maxine Waters, per the capitol police.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
October 24 2018 18:22 GMT
#17369
Melania condemning the attacks before her opioid speech is a positive.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 24 2018 18:26 GMT
#17370
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-24 18:39:07
October 24 2018 18:36 GMT
#17371
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

edit: brief sidenote, giving Melania shit for condemning it because she's "one of them" is as counterproductive as calling it false flag. While absolutely not a perfect being, considering the hand she's dealt, she does make the impression of a somewhat decent human being. Something that's absolutely not the case for plenty of republicans including (very much so) your president.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
October 24 2018 18:39 GMT
#17372
On October 25 2018 03:36 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

They’ve been insisting these are enemies of the people who need to be stopped by whatever means necessary for a while now. It’s not like Trump didn’t call for Hillary’s assassination while campaigning.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
October 24 2018 18:40 GMT
#17373
Melanie wore the “i don’t care” jacket to the child abuse centers. It’s a bit of a stretch to frame her as a good person.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 24 2018 18:43 GMT
#17374
On October 25 2018 03:36 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

edit: brief sidenote, giving Melania shit for condemning it because she's "one of them" is as counterproductive as calling it false flag. While absolutely not a perfect being, considering the hand she's dealt, she does make the impression of a somewhat decent human being. Something that's absolutely not the case for plenty of republicans including (very much so) your president.

Condemning the bombing attempts is very nice and will be instantly canceled out when Trump next takes the stage in front of a crowd of people with signs like “CNN is ISIS”.

Or like Melania’s coat said “You don’t really care, do you?” is how she really feels about all of this.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-24 18:51:53
October 24 2018 18:45 GMT
#17375
On October 25 2018 03:39 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:36 m4ini wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

They’ve been insisting these are enemies of the people who need to be stopped by whatever means necessary for a while now. It’s not like Trump didn’t call for Hillary’s assassination while campaigning.


No. That was Trump. Not "the republicans", and not Melania. I absolutely haven't forgotten what Trump called for (that's what i meant by "second amendment people", that was somewhere in the quote in question). I'm pretty sure that scumbags like Cruz for example would be on board with that, McCain wouldn't have been. So to simply say "well all republicans asked for dems to be blown up" is a bit like saying "all dems are okay with skewing political/democratic process" like they did with Bernie.

Generalisation doesn't work here: republicans won't go away. You will always have to deal with them, and the less hostile you do so, the easier and better it'll be at some point once "balance is restored again". While the political landscape in the USA looks a bit like Verdun in 1916, at some point people have to get objective again.

Melanie wore the “i don’t care” jacket to the child abuse centers. It’s a bit of a stretch to frame her as a good person.


That's your spin on that jacket. There are explanations that, taking other statements and actions of her into account, make considerably more sense. That said: i never said she's a great first lady, i said (especially compared to the rest of the clan) she's at least somewhat of a decent human being.
On track to MA1950A.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 24 2018 18:45 GMT
#17376
On October 25 2018 03:43 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:36 m4ini wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

edit: brief sidenote, giving Melania shit for condemning it because she's "one of them" is as counterproductive as calling it false flag. While absolutely not a perfect being, considering the hand she's dealt, she does make the impression of a somewhat decent human being. Something that's absolutely not the case for plenty of republicans including (very much so) your president.

Condemning the bombing attempts is very nice and will be instantly canceled out when Trump next takes the stage in front of a crowd of people with signs like “CNN is ISIS”.

Or like Melania’s coat said “You don’t really care, do you?” is how she really feels about all of this.


If we're trying to be consistent with the rest of American justice anyways Obama smoked pot so he apparently deserves any violence directed his way.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21705 Posts
October 24 2018 18:46 GMT
#17377
On October 25 2018 03:45 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:39 KwarK wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:36 m4ini wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

They’ve been insisting these are enemies of the people who need to be stopped by whatever means necessary for a while now. It’s not like Trump didn’t call for Hillary’s assassination while campaigning.


No. That was Trump. Not "the republicans", and not Melania. I absolutely haven't forgotten what Trump called for (that's what i meant by "second amendment people", that was somewhere in the quote in question). I'm pretty sure that scumbags like Cruz for example would be on board with that, McCain wouldn't have been. So to simply say "well all republicans asked for dems to be blown up" is a bit like saying "all dems are okay with skewing political/democratic process" like they did with Bernie.

Generalisation doesn't work here: republicans won't go away. You will always have to deal with them, and the less hostile you do so, the easier and better it'll be at some point once "balance is restored again". While the political landscape in the USA looks a bit like Verdun in 1916, at some point people have to get objective again.
When its the head of your party its going to reflect on you whether you like it or not.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
October 24 2018 18:48 GMT
#17378
On October 25 2018 03:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:45 m4ini wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:39 KwarK wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:36 m4ini wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

They’ve been insisting these are enemies of the people who need to be stopped by whatever means necessary for a while now. It’s not like Trump didn’t call for Hillary’s assassination while campaigning.


No. That was Trump. Not "the republicans", and not Melania. I absolutely haven't forgotten what Trump called for (that's what i meant by "second amendment people", that was somewhere in the quote in question). I'm pretty sure that scumbags like Cruz for example would be on board with that, McCain wouldn't have been. So to simply say "well all republicans asked for dems to be blown up" is a bit like saying "all dems are okay with skewing political/democratic process" like they did with Bernie.

Generalisation doesn't work here: republicans won't go away. You will always have to deal with them, and the less hostile you do so, the easier and better it'll be at some point once "balance is restored again". While the political landscape in the USA looks a bit like Verdun in 1916, at some point people have to get objective again.
When its the head of your party its going to reflect on you whether you like it or not.


To some extend, sure. Arguing that every republican is fine with blowing up people because trump asked for it/something similar is retarded.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 24 2018 18:51 GMT
#17379
On October 25 2018 03:45 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:39 KwarK wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:36 m4ini wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:26 Plansix wrote:
Not sure I care, tbh. They can’t condemn the attacks and then call for their opponents to be jailed the next day. Cruz called for Beto to be locked up last night and then condemned the attacks this morning. That is them saying they would prefer not to have bombs mailed to them, but its ok if a few get mailed to the democrats so long as Republicans win an election.


Ahm, yeah, obviously there's no difference between "lock her up" and "blow her up".

Come on now. Accusing your opponent to be criminal is normal in the USA. Literally. Both democrats and republicans do it, that's fair game and down to (if true-ish) authorities to figure out. That's a long way away from "second amendment people" and "blowing people to smithereens".

In regards to claims of a false flag event, i mean.. Of course. Lets be entirely non-facetious (i don't know what the word for opposite of facetious is) and realistic: that was entirely expected. It literally is what's happening for two years now, so no surprise there.

Only thing i'm asking myself is, is that the same guy that sent a bomb to Soros, or is it a group doing it.

They’ve been insisting these are enemies of the people who need to be stopped by whatever means necessary for a while now. It’s not like Trump didn’t call for Hillary’s assassination while campaigning.


No. That was Trump. Not "the republicans", and not Melania. I absolutely haven't forgotten what Trump called for (that's what i meant by "second amendment people", that was somewhere in the quote in question). I'm pretty sure that scumbags like Cruz for example would be on board with that, McCain wouldn't have been. So to simply say "well all republicans asked for dems to be blown up" is a bit like saying "all dems are okay with skewing political/democratic process" like they did with Bernie.

Generalisation doesn't work here: republicans won't go away. You will always have to deal with them, and the less hostile you do so, the easier and better it'll be at some point once "balance is restored again". While the political landscape in the USA looks a bit like Verdun in 1916, at some point people have to get objective again.

Show nested quote +
Melanie wore the “i don’t care” jacket to the child abuse centers. It’s a bit of a stretch to frame her as a good person.


That's your spin on that jacket. There are explanations that, taking other statements and actions of her into account, make considerably more sense.

The Republican Party is the party of Trump. Just like Reagan and Cheney before him, he has taken over the party with his political style and they are all following in like. They haul water for him because they believe he will drive turn out or kill it if they displease him. They will condemn the attacks, but never call out Trump’s grievance politics that drive the political division in this country.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-24 18:54:22
October 24 2018 18:54 GMT
#17380
Folks don't need to assert that every Republican holds some kind of belief in order to indict the collective acquiescence to violent rhetoric that permeates the party under Trump.
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