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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 25 2018 02:42 GMT
#17401
On October 25 2018 10:59 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 10:51 BlueBird. wrote:
On October 25 2018 10:33 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole pipe bomb thing is so weird. So ineffective. So poorly planned. How is this so poorly planned yet no one arrested yet? I feel like there should be some huge manhunt right now and it's like nothing happened.


Why do you think there isn't a huge hunt for those responsible?

I suppose I am more so comparing this to, say, the Boston bombers. I don't doubt there is a big effort to find the guy. It's just that I am not seeing nearly the obsession I expected.

Except half the Boston Marathon bombing obsession was the internet fingering completely innocent targets based on pictures of people with bags hanging around a marathon.

Hard for a real investigation to match the furor of crowd-sourced amateur hour.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 25 2018 03:51 GMT
#17402
the boston manhunt will one day be looked on as a horrible presage of a coming surveillance neototalitarianism that makes the stasi look like amateurs
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 25 2018 03:57 GMT
#17403
Only by uninformed potatoes who believe the government forced everyone to stay home. It was the use of hand grenadines that really put a hold on my morning commute.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 25 2018 08:22 GMT
#17404
On October 25 2018 10:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well, not sure why they’d bother sending a fake bomb to Bill and Hillary clintons home.Hillary and Bill aren’t assets to the midterm campaigns.Establishment dems are on the nose, especially Bill after the whole #metoo stuff.Literally no benefit.



The Clintons have been demonised in Republican media forever. You'd think they were in the Senate with how often they're brought up and blamed for stuff happening. If an uninformed individual was going after a Democrat, the Clintons and Obama seem like the most obvious targets.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 25 2018 12:25 GMT
#17405
--- Nuked ---
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 25 2018 12:32 GMT
#17406
That story will never reach Trumps base. They will likely never hear about it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21705 Posts
October 25 2018 12:36 GMT
#17407
Maybe he is using his own phone to stop the deep state from spying on him. have you thought of that!

Something like that probably.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 25 2018 12:40 GMT
#17408
--- Nuked ---
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 12:51:33
October 25 2018 12:51 GMT
#17409
This is more likely to go the way of that Dallas/Austin bomber than Boston, especially since no one has died. Silent investigation -> really stupid mistake if he hasn't already made one -> captured and thrown away, all with very little media furor behind a few places trying to spin it in their own ways.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 13:16:07
October 25 2018 13:11 GMT
#17410
On October 25 2018 17:22 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 10:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well, not sure why they’d bother sending a fake bomb to Bill and Hillary clintons home.Hillary and Bill aren’t assets to the midterm campaigns.Establishment dems are on the nose, especially Bill after the whole #metoo stuff.Literally no benefit.



The Clintons have been demonised in Republican media forever. You'd think they were in the Senate with how often they're brought up and blamed for stuff happening. If an uninformed individual was going after a Democrat, the Clintons and Obama seem like the most obvious targets.

Your story is soooo wrong I do not have time to correct it. A very big part of Anger in society is caused by Mainstream Media Fake News and they need to clean up their act fast. Despite the constant negative press covfefe, there was never collusion with Russia, except by the Clinton campaign. Highly conflicted Bob Mueller, who worked for Obama, hired 17 ANGRY DEMOCRATS that are doing his dirty work and are a disgrace to the USA. Thousands of Crooked Hillary emails, many of which are REALLY BAD. The DOJ, FBI and Obama Gang need to be held to account. Misled the Court to provide a pretext to SPY on the Trump Team. Every time you see a Caravan, or people illegally coming, or attempting to come, into our Country illegally, think of and blame the Democrats. Democrat-inspired-laws are making it hard to stop people at the border, they MUST BE CHANDED.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11519 Posts
October 25 2018 13:23 GMT
#17411
On October 25 2018 22:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 17:22 iamthedave wrote:
On October 25 2018 10:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well, not sure why they’d bother sending a fake bomb to Bill and Hillary clintons home.Hillary and Bill aren’t assets to the midterm campaigns.Establishment dems are on the nose, especially Bill after the whole #metoo stuff.Literally no benefit.



The Clintons have been demonised in Republican media forever. You'd think they were in the Senate with how often they're brought up and blamed for stuff happening. If an uninformed individual was going after a Democrat, the Clintons and Obama seem like the most obvious targets.

Your story is soooo wrong I do not have time to correct it. A very big part of Anger in society is caused by Mainstream Media Fake News and they need to clean up their act fast. Despite the constant negative press covfefe, there was never collusion with Russia, except by the Clinton campaign. Highly conflicted Bob Mueller, who worked for Obama, hired 17 ANGRY DEMOCRATS that are doing his dirty work and are a disgrace to the USA. Thousands of Crooked Hillary emails, many of which are REALLY BAD. The DOJ, FBI and Obama Gang need to be held to account. Misled the Court to provide a pretext to SPY on the Trump Team. Every time you see a Caravan, or people illegally coming, or attempting to come, into our Country illegally, think of and blame the Democrats. Democrat-inspired-laws are making it hard to stop people at the border, they MUST BE CHANDED.


I assume you are joking, but the thing is that i can definitively see this post as something someone legitimately writes. Poe's law and stuff.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
October 25 2018 13:28 GMT
#17412
On October 25 2018 22:23 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 22:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On October 25 2018 17:22 iamthedave wrote:
On October 25 2018 10:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well, not sure why they’d bother sending a fake bomb to Bill and Hillary clintons home.Hillary and Bill aren’t assets to the midterm campaigns.Establishment dems are on the nose, especially Bill after the whole #metoo stuff.Literally no benefit.



The Clintons have been demonised in Republican media forever. You'd think they were in the Senate with how often they're brought up and blamed for stuff happening. If an uninformed individual was going after a Democrat, the Clintons and Obama seem like the most obvious targets.

Your story is soooo wrong I do not have time to correct it. A very big part of Anger in society is caused by Mainstream Media Fake News and they need to clean up their act fast. Despite the constant negative press covfefe, there was never collusion with Russia, except by the Clinton campaign. Highly conflicted Bob Mueller, who worked for Obama, hired 17 ANGRY DEMOCRATS that are doing his dirty work and are a disgrace to the USA. Thousands of Crooked Hillary emails, many of which are REALLY BAD. The DOJ, FBI and Obama Gang need to be held to account. Misled the Court to provide a pretext to SPY on the Trump Team. Every time you see a Caravan, or people illegally coming, or attempting to come, into our Country illegally, think of and blame the Democrats. Democrat-inspired-laws are making it hard to stop people at the border, they MUST BE CHANDED.


I assume you are joking, but the thing is that i can definitively see this post as something someone legitimately writes. Poe's law and stuff.


Yeah I'm gonna agree with you, in that I could totally see many conservatives believing and saying the things that Fueled wrote. Sadly. And whenever Republicans/ Trump are guilty of doing something bad or hypocritical, it's all a huge conspiracy from Democrats.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 25 2018 13:35 GMT
#17413
Trump tweeted this morning that the reason there is so much Anger in the country is because of the Main Stream Media being false and hateful. And that they need to clean up their act.

We don’t know who sent the bombs, but the president has made it clear how he thinks folks can avoid receiving future bombs.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 25 2018 13:35 GMT
#17414
On October 25 2018 22:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 22:23 Simberto wrote:
On October 25 2018 22:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On October 25 2018 17:22 iamthedave wrote:
On October 25 2018 10:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well, not sure why they’d bother sending a fake bomb to Bill and Hillary clintons home.Hillary and Bill aren’t assets to the midterm campaigns.Establishment dems are on the nose, especially Bill after the whole #metoo stuff.Literally no benefit.



The Clintons have been demonised in Republican media forever. You'd think they were in the Senate with how often they're brought up and blamed for stuff happening. If an uninformed individual was going after a Democrat, the Clintons and Obama seem like the most obvious targets.

Your story is soooo wrong I do not have time to correct it. A very big part of Anger in society is caused by Mainstream Media Fake News and they need to clean up their act fast. Despite the constant negative press covfefe, there was never collusion with Russia, except by the Clinton campaign. Highly conflicted Bob Mueller, who worked for Obama, hired 17 ANGRY DEMOCRATS that are doing his dirty work and are a disgrace to the USA. Thousands of Crooked Hillary emails, many of which are REALLY BAD. The DOJ, FBI and Obama Gang need to be held to account. Misled the Court to provide a pretext to SPY on the Trump Team. Every time you see a Caravan, or people illegally coming, or attempting to come, into our Country illegally, think of and blame the Democrats. Democrat-inspired-laws are making it hard to stop people at the border, they MUST BE CHANDED.


I assume you are joking, but the thing is that i can definitively see this post as something someone legitimately writes. Poe's law and stuff.


Yeah I'm gonna agree with you, in that I could totally see many conservatives believing and saying the things that Fueled wrote. Sadly. And whenever Republicans/ Trump are guilty of doing something bad or hypocritical, it's all a huge conspiracy from Democrats.


I'll be honest, I was only sure it wasn't serious because of the post count and the unlikely hood that someone could seriously post like that for that many posts and survive TL moderation.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
October 25 2018 13:36 GMT
#17415
A good attempt at a Trump speech but you referred to the refugees as people, that’s where it got unrealistic.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9655 Posts
October 25 2018 13:41 GMT
#17416
Frankly what Trump is saying is worse. His opinion seems to be that if only people weren't so critical of him, they wouldn't be getting bombs sent to them, so its their own fault.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 25 2018 13:54 GMT
#17417
On October 25 2018 21:32 Plansix wrote:
That story will never reach Trumps base. They will likely never hear about it.

To be fair, it is in Fox News. Their actual news reporting is pretty fair. A little bit partisan, for example here they just mention he has been listened to, but not that he refused to use only the secure phones. But let's say it's "acceptable". The news exited the front page in around 3hours.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chinese-russian-spies-listening-to-trumps-phone-conversations-report
The opinion section though...


About Trump's base in all its trolling glory, a quick look at reddit's The Donald says they believe the bombs are fake bombs sent by the left to move their base...

On another note, Trump had the balls to tweet that CNN and "fake news" were the main culprits for the violence climate recently due to the negativity of his coverage. Man must not look himself in the mirror too often (although one would think he does that all day long...).
NoiR
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 14:26:09
October 25 2018 14:01 GMT
#17418
On October 25 2018 22:23 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 22:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On October 25 2018 17:22 iamthedave wrote:
On October 25 2018 10:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well, not sure why they’d bother sending a fake bomb to Bill and Hillary clintons home.Hillary and Bill aren’t assets to the midterm campaigns.Establishment dems are on the nose, especially Bill after the whole #metoo stuff.Literally no benefit.



The Clintons have been demonised in Republican media forever. You'd think they were in the Senate with how often they're brought up and blamed for stuff happening. If an uninformed individual was going after a Democrat, the Clintons and Obama seem like the most obvious targets.

Your story is soooo wrong I do not have time to correct it. A very big part of Anger in society is caused by Mainstream Media Fake News and they need to clean up their act fast. Despite the constant negative press covfefe, there was never collusion with Russia, except by the Clinton campaign. Highly conflicted Bob Mueller, who worked for Obama, hired 17 ANGRY DEMOCRATS that are doing his dirty work and are a disgrace to the USA. Thousands of Crooked Hillary emails, many of which are REALLY BAD. The DOJ, FBI and Obama Gang need to be held to account. Misled the Court to provide a pretext to SPY on the Trump Team. Every time you see a Caravan, or people illegally coming, or attempting to come, into our Country illegally, think of and blame the Democrats. Democrat-inspired-laws are making it hard to stop people at the border, they MUST BE CHANDED.


I assume you are joking, but the thing is that i can definitively see this post as something someone legitimately writes. Poe's law and stuff.

It's a compilation of pieces of Trumps tweets.


Your story is soooo wrong I do not have time to correct it. A very big part of Anger in society is caused by Mainstream Media Fake News and they need to clean up their act fast. Despite the constant negative press covfefe, there was never collusion with Russia, except by the Clinton campaign. Highly conflicted Bob Mueller, who worked for Obama, hired 17 ANGRY DEMOCRATS that are doing his dirty work and are a disgrace to the USA. Thousands of Crooked Hillary emails, many of which are REALLY BAD. The DOJ, FBI and Obama Gang need to be held to account. Misled the Court to provide a pretext to SPY on the Trump Team. Every time you see a Caravan, or people illegally coming, or attempting to come, into our Country illegally, think of and blame the Democrats. Democrat-inspired-laws are making it hard to stop people at the border, they MUST BE CHANDED.

sadly I think the covfefe tweet is deleted lol
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 25 2018 14:58 GMT
#17419
On October 25 2018 21:32 Plansix wrote:
That story will never reach Trumps base. They will likely never hear about it.


Nonsense. Since Republicans are sincerely concerned about the use of personal communications devices that jeopardize security and are not what government leaders are supposed to use, the outrage will commence any minute now.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 15:47:41
October 25 2018 15:31 GMT
#17420
Trump's base will just assume Trump uses it to confuse Russia and China so that they never know what is real and what isn't. They see the idea of an unsecured device as proof he's playing 4d chess.

Edit, on a somewhat separate topic:

I don't think the civil war actually ever ended. All of the underlying issues causing the civil war were never dealt with. I would argue allowing for 2 completely distinct cultures to exist within the same country was a mistake that was going to boil over eventually. Trump's presidency has accelerated the boiling, but the culture war has been going this entire time.
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