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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 16:34:45
September 27 2018 16:33 GMT
#14901
Conservative twitter has fully latched onto the BUT YOU SAID YOU ARE AFRAID OF FLYING line of questioning. If you use fully motivated partisan reasoning, you can ignore the possibility that though she did choose to fly, she is still afraid of flying. Thus, she is a hypocrite because he says she is afraid of flying but still flies sometimes even though she is afraid.

EDIT: Wow! Yes! This is the going to be the official party line in an hour. She is a liar and shouldn't be believed about her assault accusations because she said she was afraid of flying but sometimes flies.
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 27 2018 16:34 GMT
#14902
On September 28 2018 01:33 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Conservative twitter has fully latched onto the BUT YOU SAID YOU ARE AFRAID OF FLYING line of questioning. If you use fully motivated partisan reasoning, you can ignore the possibility that though she did choose to fly, she is still afraid of flying. Thus, she is a hypocrite because he says she is afraid of flying but still flies sometimes even though she is afraid.


When all you have is, 'you have flown before even though you're scared of it! ' you are kinda screwed
Something witty
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
September 27 2018 16:36 GMT
#14903
On September 28 2018 01:00 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 00:54 plasmidghost wrote:
How have the emotions been during the hearing? I can't watch the stream, unfortunately


This is the wrong question to ask imo. Part of the problem with this type of testimony is that people create in their mind an image of how they expect a sexual assault victim to act, and if they dont meet that standard then they doubt the accuser. I think most people would agree she has been credible. Fox news anchors even agreed.


Chris's voice was almost breaking talking about it, so, he seems convinced.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
September 27 2018 16:36 GMT
#14904
Very good statement by Blumenthal
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2018 16:37 GMT
#14905
I’m scared of spiders and the deep ocean(cannot see the floor). I have killed many spiders and been on a bunch of boats in the ocean. This line of questioning is beyond stupid and seems desperate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 16:38:13
September 27 2018 16:38 GMT
#14906
I agree, good on Blumenthal. Also, this picture is going to be all over the place. It definitely is not a good look.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2018 16:39 GMT
#14907
So someone has said that Dr. Ford told officials about her sexual assualt before Kavanaugh(sp?) was even nominated. Yet the WH went ahead anyway...?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
September 27 2018 16:44 GMT
#14908
For what it's worth, just from reading the transcripts, I am fully on the side of Ford here. The Republicans are looking awful here and are really grasping at straws with the whole fear of flying thing (which, sadly, I'm sure will work based on their voting base)
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2018 16:45 GMT
#14909
On September 28 2018 01:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So someone has said that Dr. Ford told officials about her sexual assualt before Kavanaugh(sp?) was even nominated. Yet the WH went ahead anyway...?

She testified to that. She contacted the WH and others(don't know who) via various channels when he was on the short list.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2018 16:47 GMT
#14910
Women are calling into C-SPAN telling stories of how they were assaulted Makes me wonder if we are witnessing a one of those pivotal moments in history.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
September 27 2018 16:48 GMT
#14911
On September 28 2018 01:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 01:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So someone has said that Dr. Ford told officials about her sexual assualt before Kavanaugh(sp?) was even nominated. Yet the WH went ahead anyway...?

She testified to that. She contacted the WH and others(don't know who) via various channels when he was on the short list.


So I guess we now know how they had those 65 women signatures ready to go so fast.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 16:49 GMT
#14912
On September 28 2018 01:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Women are calling into C-SPAN telling stories of how they were assaulted Makes me wonder if we are witnessing a one of those pivotal moments in history.

https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1045343543626289154


The culmination of #metoo? Airing this out on national television against perhaps the most powerful group of elite men in the country is historic given the current national climate.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
September 27 2018 16:50 GMT
#14913
On September 27 2018 20:33 Excludos wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 20:21 brian wrote:
On September 27 2018 20:17 PeTraSoHot wrote:
On September 27 2018 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On September 27 2018 10:56 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 27 2018 10:52 Simberto wrote:
Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative.


Yes Republicans should use their super majority to push their nominee; democrats have done all they can to stall on the opposite side; remember how the made jackasses of themselves, "I'm Spartacus", the protestors, etc etc before the acusations that Feinstein conveniently omitted for 6 weeks during which tens of oral and written interviews with Kavanaugh were conducted. This is partisan game by both parties.

They don’t have a super majority. They have a thin majority by one vote. And Trump nominated a sentient jar of mayonnaise that happens to be a mean drunk.

Do you at least admit that you're racist?
Pretty sure it'd be a swift perma-ban if you called an Indian guy a sentient bowl of curry.

lol. TIL mayonnaise is some racist epithet. I didn’t even know mayo was the majority domain of the whites. guess i have to start reading more alex jones.


Well it's about the color of the mayo and not the user group. And of course when you call someone a name there has to be some sort of resemblance to the item you're calling him. That doesn't make it racist in the least.


I've heard multiple (black) comedians do bits about mayonnaise, and usually the joke was based on the notion that it's a "white people" food (bland, boring), only white people eat it, or that only white people even know what it is.

I've never thought of it in the context of a racist epithet, but thinking about it in that light, I could see calling a white person mayonnaise being in a similar category to calling a black person a monkey (though with significantly less painful history associated with it).
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 16:54 GMT
#14914
Returning to polygraphs, apparently Kavanaugh endorses their possible use for hiring. I hope somebody asks him this today. Link to case in tweet follow up.

ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
September 27 2018 17:00 GMT
#14915
Kanye West once rapped "Mayonnaise colored Benz, I push Miracle Whips." Should that be taken as a shot at the white owners of Mercedes? /s

If you call someone, specifically, "He's like mayonnaise," you are commenting on their character. If you call a black person a "monkey" you're being racist. There is no equivalent. Brent Kavanaugh is mayonnaise. Remarking to his personality/character. Kanye West is a monkey. Remarking on his blackness or racial insinuation that he is less than human.

I have only been reading this thread for the hearing. I don't feel particularly motivated to watch that train wreck.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
September 27 2018 17:04 GMT
#14916
On September 28 2018 01:54 On_Slaught wrote:
Returning to polygraphs, apparently Kavanaugh endorses their possible use for hiring. I hope somebody asks him this today. Link to case in tweet follow up.

https://twitter.com/JosephPatrice/status/1045346100465545216


Thaaaat is hilarious. And amazing. So all they need to do is ask "are lie detectors credible? If not, why did you rule they are?"

I think he's shitting his pants right now seeing how much they focus on the polygraph. He must know that his verdict around polygraphs will come up. Oy.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 17:06 GMT
#14917
On September 28 2018 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 01:54 On_Slaught wrote:
Returning to polygraphs, apparently Kavanaugh endorses their possible use for hiring. I hope somebody asks him this today. Link to case in tweet follow up.

https://twitter.com/JosephPatrice/status/1045346100465545216


Thaaaat is hilarious. And amazing. So all they need to do is ask "are lie detectors credible? If not, why did you rule they are?"

I think he's shitting his pants right now seeing how much they focus on the polygraph. He must know that his verdict around polygraphs will come up. Oy.


And when he says he cant be sure this one was done credibly then you ask if he thinks we should question the person who performed it for accuracies sake.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 17:07:46
September 27 2018 17:06 GMT
#14918
On September 28 2018 01:50 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 20:33 Excludos wrote:

On September 27 2018 20:21 brian wrote:
On September 27 2018 20:17 PeTraSoHot wrote:
On September 27 2018 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On September 27 2018 10:56 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 27 2018 10:52 Simberto wrote:
Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative.


Yes Republicans should use their super majority to push their nominee; democrats have done all they can to stall on the opposite side; remember how the made jackasses of themselves, "I'm Spartacus", the protestors, etc etc before the acusations that Feinstein conveniently omitted for 6 weeks during which tens of oral and written interviews with Kavanaugh were conducted. This is partisan game by both parties.

They don’t have a super majority. They have a thin majority by one vote. And Trump nominated a sentient jar of mayonnaise that happens to be a mean drunk.

Do you at least admit that you're racist?
Pretty sure it'd be a swift perma-ban if you called an Indian guy a sentient bowl of curry.

lol. TIL mayonnaise is some racist epithet. I didn’t even know mayo was the majority domain of the whites. guess i have to start reading more alex jones.


Well it's about the color of the mayo and not the user group. And of course when you call someone a name there has to be some sort of resemblance to the item you're calling him. That doesn't make it racist in the least.


I've heard multiple (black) comedians do bits about mayonnaise, and usually the joke was based on the notion that it's a "white people" food (bland, boring), only white people eat it, or that only white people even know what it is.

I've never thought of it in the context of a racist epithet, but thinking about it in that light, I could see calling a white person mayonnaise being in a similar category to calling a black person a monkey (though with significantly less painful history associated with it).

This is interesting. A buddy of mine used the phrase to describe a guy we tolerate in our board game group that is the dullest human being I have meet in real life. As someone who hates mayonnaise, it was so evocative I just kept using it. It is up there with insulting someone for being uncultured by saying they put ketchup on a prime cut steak.

Edit: that Kavanaugh ruling on lie detector tests is fucking perfect. Majestic. The best.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
September 27 2018 17:10 GMT
#14919
On September 28 2018 02:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 01:50 Dromar wrote:
On September 27 2018 20:33 Excludos wrote:

On September 27 2018 20:21 brian wrote:
On September 27 2018 20:17 PeTraSoHot wrote:
On September 27 2018 11:00 Plansix wrote:
On September 27 2018 10:56 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 27 2018 10:52 Simberto wrote:
Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative.


Yes Republicans should use their super majority to push their nominee; democrats have done all they can to stall on the opposite side; remember how the made jackasses of themselves, "I'm Spartacus", the protestors, etc etc before the acusations that Feinstein conveniently omitted for 6 weeks during which tens of oral and written interviews with Kavanaugh were conducted. This is partisan game by both parties.

They don’t have a super majority. They have a thin majority by one vote. And Trump nominated a sentient jar of mayonnaise that happens to be a mean drunk.

Do you at least admit that you're racist?
Pretty sure it'd be a swift perma-ban if you called an Indian guy a sentient bowl of curry.

lol. TIL mayonnaise is some racist epithet. I didn’t even know mayo was the majority domain of the whites. guess i have to start reading more alex jones.


Well it's about the color of the mayo and not the user group. And of course when you call someone a name there has to be some sort of resemblance to the item you're calling him. That doesn't make it racist in the least.


I've heard multiple (black) comedians do bits about mayonnaise, and usually the joke was based on the notion that it's a "white people" food (bland, boring), only white people eat it, or that only white people even know what it is.

I've never thought of it in the context of a racist epithet, but thinking about it in that light, I could see calling a white person mayonnaise being in a similar category to calling a black person a monkey (though with significantly less painful history associated with it).

This is interesting. A buddy of mine used the phrase to describe a guy we tolerate in our board game group that is the dullest human being I have meet in real life. As someone who hates mayonnaise, it was so evocative I just kept using it. It is up there with insulting someone for being uncultured by saying they put ketchup on a prime cut steak.

Edit: that Kavanaugh ruling on lie detector tests is fucking perfect. Majestic. The best.

I would just call them peasants and mean it as a complete joke. My uncle didn't like the term but then something happened and when we looked at each other, he knew he wanted to say it but couldn't. So we laughed. There are terms used as jokes or apt descriptors of people that can be said without it devolving into a racist insinuation. Mayonnaise is one of those terms.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2018 17:17 GMT
#14920
Hatch just called Ford an "attractive witness" and then said "she is pleasing" when reporters followed up. The reporters were do dumb founded, they asked for clarification again and he said that her personality was attractive and called her pleasing again. He might be so old he can only complement a woman by telling her she is attractive in some way.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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